Build help! First RDA ever: Mutation X | 28G Kanthal A1

[whosrandy]

Hey guys,

Title says it all. I have my first rda arriving today and I am thrilled! The Mutation X, 5/64 drill bit, 28G A1 Kanthal and Organic Cotton from Amazon.

What would be a good single coil build to try as my first dripping experience with the Mutation X? I am currently using a nautilus Mini with BDC's -_- and it's pissin me off.

From what I gather, dual coil is the way to go with the Mutation X due to it's design but I would like to start off basic. As for a battery, I'm using an IPV2.

Thanks!

 

[State O' Flux]

Do you have an ohm meter? If you can't verify your resistance, people will be uncomfortable recommending builds... particularly sub-ohm. Yes, you can use your IPV2... but a stand alone - either a DMM or a ohm/build box - is preferred.

With that out of the way, as you're using a APV with output safety protocols, where it's highly unlikely you'll have any issues with battery overload... click on my sigline hyperlink and scroll to the paragraph referencing Steam Engine, where - if the input parameters are accurate - you can model builds with a fairly high level of accuracy.

Steam Engine will also allow you to gain a better understanding of the variables of coil building... as well as Ohm's Law and battery depletion calculators that you can use to fine tune your build requirements.

 

[classwife]

Moved to Rebuildable Atomizer Systems from APV Discussion

 

[Kalaniboi81]

For an RDA like the Mutation X you will most definitely want to go dual. I won't say building singles and duals as a level of progression, but more of a preference. Your standard dual coils are very easy to build and install. The reason why i'm recommending this is the Mutation X has an air flow system that is made for dual coil builds. Will it hurt to put a single? Of course not but airflow is key for vapor production and flavor so using it correctly is key. As for specific builds i think your standard micro coil will be sufficient to help you get the hang of wrapping. I would explain, but there are a bunch of videos on youtube on building micro coils that will be easier to follow LOL. One thing to remember is your using a regulated device so if your thinking about going low sub ohms it's not necessary as you have 50Watts to play with .8 - 1.5 ohms will do the job. Congrats on moving to RDA's and VAPE ON!

 

[jaxgator]

I totally agree with what Kalaniboi81 said. The Mute X is not configured to be able to do single coils. It can be done but I'm fairly certain that it would be better if built with duals.

That said, here's a couple of images from my recent build. Simple .34Ω build. 26g 4/5 wraps around approximate 2mm mandrel (used a coat hanger that is in between 3mm and 1.5mm).

 

[whosrandy]

What a disappointing first build.

What a fantastic second. She's a chucking some strawberry cream. So much airflow!!!!

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

i finally got my MutationX today and just ordered a second and a 3rd she blows some big clouds on a dual with all holes open fully, just keep it simple.. how can you go wrong with an atty like this lol

just use 4 non-contact wraps or the least you can do for your ohms you need to stay above, put the coil out level from the post holes.
if you use all the holes open like me you can put the top holes directly over your coil and get lots of flavour or spin the holes clockwise a little for more throat hit.


im gonna try the mutationX barrel with the plumeveil base later, already tried it and they fit although a little tight, so might put on the tobh base as its got bigger well

 

[jaxgator]

i finally got my MutationX today and just ordered a second and a 3rd she blows some big clouds on a dual with all holes open fully, just keep it simple.. how can you go wrong with an atty like this lol

just use 4 non-contact wraps or the least you can do for your ohms you need to stay above, put the coil out level from the post holes.
if you use all the holes open like me you can put the top holes directly over your coil and get lots of flavour or spin the holes clockwise a little for more throat hit.

I'm going to try a 3/4 wrap next time. I want to try something closer to a .2Ω just to see what it's like. I am running my.32Ω only half ways open as shown above and it's just not enough anymore. We'll see with the next build.

im gonna try the mutationX barrel with the plumeveil base later, already tried it and they fit although a little tight, so might put on the tobh base as its got bigger well

Not a bad idea. My biggest issue with the Plume is the shallow well. Mute X fixes that. This is my favorite RDA. Who woulda thunk it? The cheapest authentic out there at 25 bux. What a steal! I should order a couple more. Ha!

 

[whosrandy]

I'm a little surprised by what the Mutation X was like. Flavor was kinda muted and clouds weren't all that thick, but the amount of actual vapor was INSANE.

So, as I understand it, I should build the coils directly perpendicular to the posts? I realize how finnicky and difficult getting the cotton right can be now. My first build was meh. I was getting smoky dry hits. Not enough cotton I presume.

My second, I added more. It was good for 2 refills and on my third, I'm getting a funky taste out of it. Any ideas? Sorry no pictures atm.

 

[jaxgator]

I'm a little surprised by what the Mutation X was like. Flavor was kinda muted and clouds weren't all that thick, but the amount of actual vapor was INSANE.

I get great flavor and fairly thick clouds. After I fill it up and hit it hard I get a "wet" vape. Absolutely delicious.

So, as I understand it, I should build the coils directly perpendicular to the posts? I realize how finnicky and difficult getting the cotton right can be now. My first build was meh. I was getting smoky dry hits. Not enough cotton I presume.

My second, I added more. It was good for 2 refills and on my third, I'm getting a funky taste out of it. Any ideas? Sorry no pictures atm.

For the build above, and all my builds for that matter, I use rayon and never get dry hits. At least until the rayon runs completely dry and that isn't until after about 20 or so hits.

 

[bholcomb22]

I definitely agree with everything that has been said about the mutation x. It is amazingly cheap, and out performs $100 + drippers. It is a STEAL.

It has become pretty much the only dripper I use on a daily basis. Usually run 24 gauge .2 - .3 ohms wicked with rayon! so good.

 

[whosrandy]

What other gauges of wire should I pick up? I only bought 28g to start with. 22? 24? 26? 30?

 

[bholcomb22]

I would reccomend 24 gauge and 26 gauge. I have found I like 24 gauge that most in my mutation x. It allows you to cover good surface area and have nice low ohm builds. I mean this thing is meant for super sub ohm, so I see no point in using higher gauge wires unless its twisted or parallel etc.

 

[jaxgator]

I've only got 26, 28, and for the life of me I don't know why but I've also got a spool of 32 that I've never used.

I only use the 26 on my RDAs and only 28 in my RTAs. Maybe I should order a spool of 24. I'm sure I'll like it in my drippers as I really liked it when I went from 28 to 26.

 

[whosrandy]

Alright perfect. 28g for my Kayfun 3.1 and ill get 24g for my mutation.

 

[bholcomb22]

I've only got 26, 28, and for the life of me I don't know why but I've also got a spool of 32 that I've never used.

I only use the 26 on my RDAs and only 28 in my RTAs. Maybe I should order a spool of 24. I'm sure I'll like it in my drippers as I really liked it when I went from 28 to 26.

Order some 24! You definitely won't regret it. I like 5 wraps around 3/32 in my mutation. Great vape

 

[jaxgator]

Yup, will do. It's cheap enough and will certainly get used.

 

[whosrandy]

Order some 24! You definitely won't regret it. I like 5 wraps around 3/32 in my mutation. Great vape

What watt will that require on a IPV2? Will lower gauge wire require less watts?

 

[bholcomb22]

I mean it is all preference. 24 gauge takes longer to heat up... I like 24 gauge the best for mech mods low ohm builds because it heats up super fast when you are at low ohms. I've got a .23 ohm build it in right now so I run it on a mech. The only time I would run it on my ipv2 would be when I want to tone down the intense vape. If I had some 50/50 juice or 6 mg juice I'll throw it on the ipv2 and run it at something like 20 watts so it doesn't destroy me.

Honestly if you are going to run on something like an ipv2 I would recommend building over .5 ohms. That is where it will shine because you will be covering A LOT of surface area, and with the ability to go up to 50 watts you will be able to make a 1 ohm coil fire more like .3 ohm coil on a mech. The Ipv2 makes it possible to have huge coils that cover a lot of surface area and still run high power. If I'm going to build higher than .6 ohms or so I would probably go with the 26 gauge because it will heat up faster.... Just my opinion though. I like a hot in your face kind of vape out of my mutation.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

I'm a little surprised by what the Mutation X was like. Flavor was kinda muted and clouds weren't all that thick, but the amount of actual vapor was INSANE.

So, as I understand it, I should build the coils directly perpendicular to the posts? I realize how finnicky and difficult getting the cotton right can be now. My first build was meh. I was getting smoky dry hits. Not enough cotton I presume.

My second, I added more. It was good for 2 refills and on my third, I'm getting a funky taste out of it. Any ideas? Sorry no pictures atm.

if the cotton is to tight and you cant pull the cotton back and forth fairly easy you will choke the cotton and juice won't be able to run through it, giving you dry hit's etc aswell.
Also once you have got it setup with nice snug cotton just give it a blast without a driptip on top see if that fixes some of the flavour issue's