Bumping the ProV Limit...

[Rule62]

yea, I've played around with the wattage too. I know that some like the 15+ wattage and that's fine. For myself, I like a cooler vape and have found that 12watts with the combo of ohms and volts stated above is where I like it. I was afraid that once I got a mech, my Provari's would sit but that isn't the case and I'm so glad. I'm glad that I can get the vape I want on the equiptment I have. I'll keep a .8 setup for the mech and enjoy it. I like the variety. My rbas have 3 different size air holes and I get a different vape from each one of them.

Life is good

Yep. It doesn't have to be one or the other. There's no reason your vv or vw devices have to collect dust, just because you have a mech mod. You can get a great vape from either. It's all in understanding the relationship of the variables. Ohms, watts, wire gauge, wick size, juice, etc.

 

[lamarrk]

I use this chart to set my voltage. Seems to help a lot with the flavor. Also keeps me from getting that "burnt" taste.

http://i.imgur.com/Ohn8o.png

 

[eHuman]

Theoretical question: if you maintain 15watts going through any number of setups that vary amps, ohms and volts, will the vape remain the same for any particular juice? Or are there certain combinations of these variables, while maintaining 15watts, that will out perform other combinations? ...that is, in terms of flavor and vapor. For instance, .8ohm, 3.5v, 4.3amp = 15watts. Likewise, 1.5ohm, 4.7v, 3.1amp = 15watts. Would there be a performance difference between these two setups and why? If not, a device like the Provari V2 should be able to handle the same 15watt vape as a mech, right? Of course, at sub ohm setups, I understand the need for a mech due to the amp limit on the ProV2, but 15watts is a pretty powerful vape.

Short answer, no the vape is not the same. The primary thing that changes is the heating profile of the wire and the mass/heating area. One set up could heat/hit immediately and cool quickly, another may take a while to heat up and cool down. The vape style changes. The wire temperature effects the vape, keeping the same watts but changing all the other variables effects the wire temperature and heating time.

 

[Riverboat]

yes, so you can up the wattages & amps compared to the restrictions imposed on vv devices. this extra power can run a thicker wire which also equals better flavor.

For me I prefer a 3.0 ohm atty when using a VV mod....I feel the flavor and vapor is better than SLR attys, plus the amp draw is lower making your batterties last lonnger between charges,,,,

 

[Thompson]

I use this chart to set my voltage. Seems to help a lot with the flavor. Also keeps me from getting that "burnt" taste.

http://i.imgur.com/Ohn8o.png

I find that chart good for clearos & cartos. It's usefulness drops off in the realm of rba using ceramic or ss mesh.

Faxed in on the Mojo Wire

 

[Vego]

Short answer, no the vape is not the same. The primary thing that changes is the heating profile of the wire and the mass/heating area. One set up could heat/hit immediately and cool quickly, another may take a while to heat up and cool down. The vape style changes. The wire temperature effects the vape, keeping the same watts but changing all the other variables effects the wire temperature and heating time.

That's why I posted that question... I had an inkling of a sense that what you describe was happening, that heat could be different even at constant power depending on the wire used, but I had no real understanding. This helps me alot. Thanks.

 

[vapdivrr]

Theoretical question: if you maintain 15watts going through any number of setups that vary amps, ohms and volts, will the vape remain the same for any particular juice? Or are there certain combinations of these variables, while maintaining 15watts, that will out perform other combinations? ...that is, in terms of flavor and vapor. For instance, .8ohm, 3.5v, 4.3amp = 15watts. Likewise, 1.5ohm, 4.7v, 3.1amp = 15watts. Would there be a performance difference between these two setups and why? If not, a device like the Provari V2 should be able to handle the same 15watt vape as a mech, right? Of course, at sub ohm setups, I understand the need for a mech due to the amp limit on the ProV2, but 15watts is a pretty powerful vape.

as you know the first example cannot be obtained with the provari. and I do believe there would be a difference in performance because of the wire temperature. in the first example if using 28g wire you would only have a 3 to 4 wrapped coil depending on the wicks diameter, in the second example to obtain a resistance of 1.5 with 28g wire you would need twice the amount of wraps, this coupled with the extra voltage would make for a different vape.

 

[vapdivrr]

For me I prefer a 3.0 ohm atty when using a VV mod....I feel the flavor and vapor is better than SLR attys, plus the amp draw is lower making your batterties last lonnger between charges,,,,

this lower amp, less battery usage with a vv device is not really proven. I believe it has something to do with the electronics in the device. from what I have learned that in a mechanical mod, if you are using more amps then you will drain the batteries faster, but not in a vv device.

 

[FogHawg]

Another benefit of using more power is a much faster response time. I'm really liking that!!

 

[donnah]

I use this chart to set my voltage. Seems to help a lot with the flavor. Also keeps me from getting that "burnt" taste.

http://i.imgur.com/Ohn8o.png

My preferred vape is way up in the red lol

 

[WattWick]

Keep in mind it's about temperature generation over a given surface area. Bigger surface require higher wattage to generate the same temperature.

There's an excellently named thread on this. Lots of questions in this thread is answered there.

Watts do not matter. Its all about wire temp. Read on…

 

[StaircaseWit]

My preferred vape is way up in the red lol

Agreed. I don't think I've vaped in that green zone since I got my first RBA.

 

[unloaded]

I've got a slug wick in my IGO-L, 1.1ohm at 3.9v First one of these wicks I've done and I think I like it better than my tank gennys. Made the airhole a little bigger than I like but I'm getting used to it. Wish I could buy sheets of mesh cut at 45 degrees, I hate wasting the corners. Here's a crappy pic.

 

[eHuman]

I've got a slug wick in my IGO-L, 1.1ohm at 3.9v First one of these wicks I've done and I think I like it better than my tank gennys. Made the airhole a little bigger than I like but I'm getting used to it. Wish I could buy sheets of mesh cut at 45 degrees, I hate wasting the corners. Here's a crappy pic.
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Think origami.
Cut a square of mesh 2" x 2"
fold all four corners to the center neatly and crease.
You now have a smaller "double thickness" square @ 1.4" x 1.4" on the diagonal bias.
Roll it up and you have wasted no mesh, and have the equivalent of a piece that started out at 1.4" x 2.8" cut diagonally but without and waste.

Decrease the starting size of your square to suit your needs. If you understand the Pythagoras theorem you can predict the initial mesh size to suit your final need.