Excellent, and thank you. Have your shop put your atty on the ohmmeter-- best if you buy one, they're cheap-- and show you the reading. Don't build it below .5 or so on a one battery mod.
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Wow!
I'm sure all of the information is a lot to try and digest in such a short amount of time!
You have posted here seeking advice because your device is not performing like it once was, the folks here are doing their best to not yell and scream "DANGER" run away!!
I've only been here for a short time myself but you have to understand, you are literally playing with fire! This is something that will not only effect you but possibly those around you if something goes thermal. Everyone wants you to be safe first and foremost. The links provided have been posted so that you and everyone can vape safely.
I hope you take the time to read thru them and comprehend the basics of battery safety, ohms law and how to wrap a coil that will operate within the specs of what you are using.
The good thing is that you have come to the right place for the knowledge that you seek!!
Welcome to the forums and good luck in your juorney!!
I'm sure all of the information is a lot to try and digest in such a short amount of time!
You have posted here seeking advice because your device is not performing like it once was, the folks here are doing their best to not yell and scream "DANGER" run away!!
I've only been here for a short time myself but you have to understand, you are literally playing with fire! This is something that will not only effect you but possibly those around you if something goes thermal. Everyone wants you to be safe first and foremost. The links provided have been posted so that you and everyone can vape safely.
I hope you take the time to read thru them and comprehend the basics of battery safety, ohms law and how to wrap a coil that will operate within the specs of what you are using.
The good thing is that you have come to the right place for the knowledge that you seek!!
Welcome to the forums and good luck in your juorney!!
All good everyone your not ganging up on me your helping a lot trust me. So I should research ohms basically? To figure out
My set up and my resistance? Both can be calculated from an ohm reader correct ? So read about ohms and battery safety anything else?
My set up and my resistance? Both can be calculated from an ohm reader correct ? So read about ohms and battery safety anything else?
That will get you started. In truth, it is quite complex. All these variables are interrelated. If you change one, they all shift around a bit. But the bottom line issue here is safety. Batteries have a limit as to how much current can be drawn from them at any one time. This is true of all batteries. If this number is exceeded, some very bad things can happen. With a mech mod, your voltage is semi-fixed, somewhere between 4.2 and 3.5 or so volts, depending on how flat your battery is getting. Most vapers on a mech mod will change a battery at or before 3.5 volts because the vape gets weak. Thus the ohms of your atty control the number of amps you're drawing from the battery, and that's where the safety issue arises. Have a look at the Ohms Law Calculator. If you will put in 4.2 in the volts box (full charge of the battery) and 10 in the current box (my idea of the current it is safe to draw from a 20 amp battery, this leaves a 50% safety margin) and hit calculate, you will see the resistance that matches these factors is .42 ohms in the resistance box and 42 watts in the power box. That means you really can't build below .42 ohms and keep the same safety margin (above it makes the margin thicker) and 42 watts is about all you can get out of a one-battery mod. If you perform the same experiment with 3.5 volts and the same 10 amps the battery will stand, you'll see the resistance went down to .35 amps and the power to 35 watts. But that doesn't mean you can build to .35 ohms and still be safe, because when you put in a fresh battery, the amps will shoot way up. Clear the boxes again, and put in 4.2 volts, but this time put .35 in the resistance box and leave the current box blank, then calculate again. See? The amps shot up to 12, far above the 10 we had earlier. That's what I mean bu it all being interdependent. For a good general rule of thumb, just don't build below .5 on a one-battery mech mod. You can go a good bit lower on a regulated mod, because those mods have circuitry to keep the amps within the limits the battery can handle. The mechs do not. The safety device on a mech is between your ears, and that's all you've got.
Bear in mind also, this (so far) is only about safety. As to how well it works, does it burn your juice, does it make the cloud you want, does it taste good... these are other questions, all of which must be answered within the safety envelope. Truly, getting a good build in a mech is a real challenge. I personally like it. I think it's fun. But it can also be frustrating. Even so, first get the safety stuff down. Then we will move on. And start with @Baditude 's blog. it's a huge help.
Bear in mind also, this (so far) is only about safety. As to how well it works, does it burn your juice, does it make the cloud you want, does it taste good... these are other questions, all of which must be answered within the safety envelope. Truly, getting a good build in a mech is a real challenge. I personally like it. I think it's fun. But it can also be frustrating. Even so, first get the safety stuff down. Then we will move on. And start with @Baditude 's blog. it's a huge help.
Alright I will take all this info and more and educate myself. So as far as ohms go is it the thicker the coil and more wraps = more ohms cause it looks like I have 7 wraps on each coil right now
Again, depending on the gauge wire your are working with, in conjunction with the number or wraps is going to determine the ohms of your build. You then have it determine the number of coils in your build and do some math. Download steam engine and plug your numbers in there. Soooo helpful for me when I first started!
A regulated mod is like the sigelei 150 that you mentioned. I has protection circuitry such as short circuit protection. Plus most regulated mods have a display screen giving you important information including for example what is the ohms of your coil, or what power you are vaping at, or whether your battery is low.
The batteries are lithium batteries and some lithium batteries are potentially explosive. When you order a battery from overseas, it comes by boat; they're not allowed on planes.
The mod you have is just a metal tube for containing the battery; it is called a 'mech mod' (mechanical mod); a regulated mod has electronic circuitry in it.
I am using a mechanical mod myself; I've been vaping for 2 years, and my mechs have electronic kick modules in them so I get some basic protections, but I just don't have a screen, but I could always use one of my regulated mods if I had a problem and wanted to check/troubleshoot.
Is there any one you can sit down with and have a build session with?
Maybe the guys at your shop will teach you?
Get the tools you need to build and educate yourself before jumping in headfirst and that will ensure you have the knowledge to stay safe AND enjoy your setup even more.
Plus there are very affordable regulated mods and rtas with pre built coils you could start with.
The people on this site are here for a lot of reasons.
One of the best reasons is to help other people learn and vape safe.
Kudos to you for being so good with the advice they have given.
Please. Listen to them!
Be safe and I hope to see you on the forums!
Maybe the guys at your shop will teach you?
Get the tools you need to build and educate yourself before jumping in headfirst and that will ensure you have the knowledge to stay safe AND enjoy your setup even more.
Plus there are very affordable regulated mods and rtas with pre built coils you could start with.
The people on this site are here for a lot of reasons.
One of the best reasons is to help other people learn and vape safe.
Kudos to you for being so good with the advice they have given.
Please. Listen to them!
Be safe and I hope to see you on the forums!
I was going to suggest that. If you want to start chucking clouds today, go get an Atlantis or Subtank. Put some o.5 ohm coils on it. Get some decent batteries and clean your mod. You can use it while you are learning about all the math and safety stuff. When you learn a lil more and start asking the right questions, most of us here will be around to answer them.
Regulated mods (variable voltage/wattage) use micro computers to regulate the vapor to stay consistant to what is dialed in by the user. They allow for "fine tuning" the vapor to the user's personal preferences, as some vapers prefer a warmer vape while others prefer a cooler vape. In addition, some flavors are better at a lower power setting while others are better at a higher power setting.
The voltage output from a regulated mod is not the battery voltage (like in a mechanical mod). It is converted using a combination of buck/boost and/or PWM (pulse width modulation), or pulsed DC circuitry to achieve the desired wattage.
At wattages requiring less than the battery voltage, the mod will either regulate the voltage down or more often pulse the DC voltage on and off to get the desired wattage.
At wattages requiring a higher voltage than the battery voltage, the buck/boost circuitry will boost the battery voltage up to get the desired wattage. This buck boost circuitry has some loss so it will use more watts from the battery than at a lower voltage output from the mod.
These processors have built-in safety circuitry which make them a better choice for novice or intermediate vapors because of their safety features. Regulated mods can be tube or box mods. There are newer models called "high wattage" regulated mods which have all the benefits of a regular regulated mod in addition to higher power capability to fire super low-resistance sub-ohm coils.
Mechanical mods are bare-bones tube or box battery holders with no power regulation/variable power control, and no built-in safety features. These have recently enjoyed a resurgence in popularity because of RBAs (rebuildable atomizers). Because there is no computer to regulate voltage, mechanical mod depend solely on the battery's output and the resistance of the heating coil. Vape quality will gradually and progressively decline as the battery is drained during use.
Mechanical Mod Beginner's Guide
The Pro's & Cons of Regulated vs Mechanical Mods:
Regulated Pro's:
- The battery power to the atomizer is controlled (regulated) to stay the same throughout the battery charge, from a fully charged battery until fully discharged.
- The power can be adjusted to increase or decrease the voltage by the user, allowing the user to change their vaping experience.
- Has built-in protective circuitry against short circuits, atomizer shorts, accidentally putting battery in backwards, and over-heating.
- Has built-in battery voltage and atomizer resistance meters to check battery status and the ohm of the coil.
- Generally speaking, may not be as well made or as durable over time; electrical components may fail over time or from physical abuse.
- Unless it is a "high wattage" regulated mod, will not be able to fire sub-ohm coils.
- Generally speaking, made to be more durable and withstand some physical abuse. No electronics to fail.
- Able to fire sub-ohm coils because there is no protection circuitry or processor amp limits to prohibit it.
- Many are machined to be quite beautiful, nearly art pieces.
Mechanical Cons:
- No protection circuitry. This is a big one for beginners. The user must always be aware of the signs of a short circuit which could cause the battery to vent into thermal runaway. Must have ventilation holes and a hot spring in case you experience a venting battery.
- No built-in voltage or resistance meters.
- No way to regulate the battery output. As the battery drains during use, the vapor will continually decline gradually. No way to adjust the vape experience except by changing the atomizer resistance.
You are a novice (no disrespect intended) using a mechanical mod and using an RBA, and don't really know much about batteries or Ohm's Law. You have no built-in safety features using a mechanical mod, so all of that puts you at higher risk than if using a regulated mod and using normal resistance coils.
At this point, you don't know what you need to know. If you don't know what you are doing, very bad things can occur:
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Regulated mods (variable voltage/wattage) use micro computers to regulate the vapor to stay consistant to what is dialed in by the user. They allow for "fine tuning" the vapor to the user's personal preferences, as some vapers prefer a warmer vape while others prefer a cooler vape. In addition, some flavors are better at a lower power setting while others are better at a higher power setting.
The voltage output from a regulated mod is not the battery voltage (like in a mechanical mod). It is converted using a combination of buck/boost and/or PWM (pulse width modulation), or pulsed DC circuitry to achieve the desired wattage.
At wattages requiring less than the battery voltage, the mod will either regulate the voltage down or more often pulse the DC voltage on and off to get the desired wattage.
At wattages requiring a higher voltage than the battery voltage, the buck/boost circuitry will boost the battery voltage up to get the desired wattage. This buck boost circuitry has some loss so it will use more watts from the battery than at a lower voltage output from the mod.
These processors have built-in safety circuitry which make them a better choice for novice or intermediate vapors because of their safety features. Regulated mods can be tube or box mods. There are newer models called "high wattage" regulated mods which have all the benefits of a regular regulated mod in addition to higher power capability to fire super low-resistance sub-ohm coils.
Mechanical mods are bare-bones tube or box battery holders with no power regulation/variable power control, and no built-in safety features. These have recently enjoyed a resurgence in popularity because of RBAs (rebuildable atomizers). Because there is no computer to regulate voltage, mechanical mod depend solely on the battery's output and the resistance of the heating coil. Vape quality will gradually and progressively decline as the battery is drained during use.
Mechanical Mod Beginner's Guide
The Pro's & Cons of Regulated vs Mechanical Mods:
Regulated Pro's:
Regulated Con's:
- The battery power to the atomizer is controlled (regulated) to stay the same throughout the battery charge, from a fully charged battery until fully discharged.
- The power can be adjusted to increase or decrease the voltage by the user, allowing the user to change their vaping experience.
- Has built-in protective circuitry against short circuits, atomizer shorts, accidentally putting battery in backwards, and over-heating.
- Has built-in battery voltage and atomizer resistance meters to check battery status and the ohm of the coil.
Mechanical Pro's:
- Generally speaking, may not be as well made or as durable over time; electrical components may fail over time or from physical abuse.
- Unless it is a "high wattage" regulated mod, will not be able to fire sub-ohm coils.
- Generally speaking, made to be more durable and withstand some physical abuse. No electronics to fail.
- Able to fire sub-ohm coils because there is no protection circuitry or processor amp limits to prohibit it.
- Many are machined to be quite beautiful, nearly art pieces.
Mechanical Cons:
- No protection circuitry. This is a big one for beginners. The user must always be aware of the signs of a short circuit which could cause the battery to vent into thermal runaway. Must have ventilation holes and a hot spring in case you experience a venting battery.
- No built-in voltage or resistance meters.
- No way to regulate the battery output. As the battery drains during use, the vapor will continually decline gradually. No way to adjust the vape experience except by changing the atomizer resistance.
You are a novice (no disrespect intended) using a mechanical mod and using an RBA, and don't really know much about batteries or Ohm's Law. You have no built-in safety features using a mechanical mod, so all of that puts you at higher risk than if using a regulated mod and using normal resistance coils.
At this point, you don't know what you need to know. If you don't know what you are doing, very bad things can occur:
It's OK. ....
I'm on a diet, I wasn't going to eat for. ....
(Gag) for a year anyway!
Good post.
That is a very real possibility for people who
Try to make batteries do more than they are meant to do.
Ok so I'll be buyin an ohm reader soon and was wondering what gage wire I should buy for rebuilds? Should I buy a kit also? What is the best idea. I've been using my build for a month with no problem so honestly I think it's fine but I won't be using it much till I get the ohm reader next week and new batteries ...
Does the segelie 150 come with an ohm reader? If so would It be pointless to buy one? Also is 150 too much would the 100w do the same trick.
I'll read up on ohms law a lot more is the only way to tell your ohms with an ohms reader?
Does the segelie 150 come with an ohm reader? If so would It be pointless to buy one? Also is 150 too much would the 100w do the same trick.
I'll read up on ohms law a lot more is the only way to tell your ohms with an ohms reader?
Yeah, get an ohm meter.
They are great for when you build.
And usually more reliable than a mod.
They run about $12.00 u.s.
I don't know about a kit, but tweezers, wire cutters, small screw drivers, ohm meter, kanthal, cotton or rayon, good batteries, a nice pair of scissors, (guys? What am I forgetting? I'm at work. .....)
I love building coils and wicking.
It can be a great way too relax.
And there are really good videos on you tube that show how to be safe too.
Just search coil building for beginners.
And, we were all beginners at some point.
It's great to have you here with us!
Oh what Guage?
Well. ... what do you like?
I would start with 28? Simple coils around 1 ohm?
See if you like that.
You can always get thicker wire and build lower if you want.
I'd get the ohm meter. It's always useful to check what the independent meter says against what the mod is measuring. I also find they double neatly as a building stand. I'd order 28 and 32 gauge wire. That will get you started. I've been building for years and the vast bulk of mine is in those two gauges, although I have acquired a couple short rolls of 24 and 30 along the way for special purposes or something I wanted to try. With those two, and the ability to twist or Clapton them, you can go just about anywhere. I didn't buy a tool kit, but I also make jewelery and do small electronics stuff, so I had pretty much all I needed. If you don't, buying a kit is an easy and cheap way to get it done. Some kind of coil tool is really helpful, there are a number of different designs. Not strictly necessary: I started winding mine on drill bits and these work just fine. But having the different size mandrels right handy is nice, as is a handle they fit in. Long story short, I now have about 4 different kinds of coil jigs. And, of course, the drill bits I started with 
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I'm not sure of the gage I'm currently using but what do you suggest is best 28 or 30? Is 26 also easy? What does the thickness in wire make a difference to? And I'm assuming 30 is thicker than 28 or is it the other way around ? I'm gonna get an ohm reader and new battery's 2 vtc4
26 is much thicker than 30.
Lower gauge, thicker wire.
26 is easy to build with yes.
Thicker wire allows more current to flow.
So lower resistance.
I build using a 2 mm screw driver.
26 gauge 9 wraps. Dual coils.
that puts me around 0.7 ohms.
so i get "clouds"
but I'm not pushing the limits of my batteries.
Once you build around 0.5 or lower, your amps jump up really fast.
That's why people are worried about your current build.
that's why we suggested pre made coils
in a sub ohm tank.
You can vape like a maniac while you learn to build safely.
You have i phone or android?
Get ohms calculator off the app store.
and just mess around.
See what .4 coils at 4.2 volts puts out for amps.
Can your 20 amp batteries take it?
I'm not being smart.
I mean that is a great way to learn.
That's all.
You will want to know this info when you are building.
Lower gauge, thicker wire.
26 is easy to build with yes.
Thicker wire allows more current to flow.
So lower resistance.
I build using a 2 mm screw driver.
26 gauge 9 wraps. Dual coils.
that puts me around 0.7 ohms.
so i get "clouds"
but I'm not pushing the limits of my batteries.
Once you build around 0.5 or lower, your amps jump up really fast.
That's why people are worried about your current build.
that's why we suggested pre made coils
in a sub ohm tank.
You can vape like a maniac while you learn to build safely.
You have i phone or android?
Get ohms calculator off the app store.
and just mess around.
See what .4 coils at 4.2 volts puts out for amps.
Can your 20 amp batteries take it?
I'm not being smart.
I mean that is a great way to learn.
That's all.
You will want to know this info when you are building.
Where do you live?
Maybe someone knows somebody that could help you learn?
A shop or summtink like that?
If you live around the TC Minnesota area.
I will help.
I live in Wisconsin I downloaded the app. What do I need to plug in to figure out my ohms. How do I find out the voltage and current . Sorry I have so many questions. From the looks of my set up both coils are wrapped 7 times and I'm guessing the gage of wire is 28 but not
Positive I just think I remember the guy at the shop saying this.
If you know simple youtube videos that would help me get a grasp feel free to post links. Otherwise I'll spend Sunday pretty much reading as much as I can
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