Burning debate lights up over safety of electronic cigarettes

[Territoo]

This article compares the Seigel and the Talbot studies.

Burning debate lights up over safety of electronic cigarettes

 

[kpax]

LOL A battle of the Universities. This should be better than a bowl game

 

[rothenbj]

It would have helped if the author of the article knew that Prue was a female.

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

The truly unfortunate thing is that wherever institutional anti-smoking hysteria has entered the gutter of pseudoscience and deliberate, calculated dishonesty, Mike Siegel--a career authority on smoking and health issues--has blown the whistle:

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: Surgeon General's Office Again Misrepresents and Distorts the Science in Report Press Release; Why the Need to Lie to the American Public?

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: New Surgeon General's Report Blows FDA Tobacco Act Out of the Water; Shows that Anti-Smoking Groups Were Untruthful in Their Public Statements

Hence he's become a pariah in his field; his observations of the otherwise obvious with respect to vaping are shouted down at once, lest the FDA's handlers find themselves left holding the bag full of proven-ineffective and unsold smoking cessation drugs and devices.

 

[MrBobVapor]

“The FDA and major anti-smoking groups keep saying that we don’t know anything about what is in electronic cigarettes,”

should read:

“The FDA and major anti-smoking groups keep saying that we don’t know anything”

and.... this is ridiculous...

"that there are currently no methods for proper disposal of e-cigarettes and accessories, creating a risk of environmental nicotine contamination" .......... ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!!

 

[Territoo]

"that there are currently no methods for proper disposal of e-cigarettes and accessories, creating a risk of environmental nicotine contamination"

One would think that since there are no cigarette butts littering the ground that ecigs would be better for the environment.

 

[Cee_Jay]

I'm pretty sure lithium batteries (in a discharged state) are safe to dispose of in a normal manner, where-as some others such as ni-cad are not. So it would seem the only "chemical" left could be a trace of nicotine - if used. Therefore, vape that atty dry before trashing LOL.

 

[Exylos]

Because Germany is very Recycle friendly(avoiding using another term for it because of ww2 its illegal to say here..sarcasm off) I actually talked to a guy at the plastic recycle plant and this is what he stated.

With the amount of other Dangerous things that is left on most plastics that we recycle that minuscule amount of nicotine would not even be thought about.

Oh by the way as he said that we were standing next to a pallet with piles of plastic paint cans, most of which still had some amount of pain in them.

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

One would think that since there are no cigarette butts littering the ground that ecigs would be better for the environment.

I see no reason to think that Prue Talbot thinks.

 

[Vocalek]

I see no reason to think that Prue Talbot thinks.

*Snicker* Good one!

 

[Vocalek]

There is a link to send a comment, but I don't see any posted. When you click the link, you send an email. You have to reply to the email by just clicking Reply and Send, then they send you another email with the address of where to send the comment. Convoluted, I know. Nevertheless, I sent this:

It’s unfortunate that so many column inches of the “Burning Debate” story were devoted to Prue Talbot’s Consumer Reports-style evaluation of e-cigarettes. Nothing in Dr. Talbot’s article justifies removing the products from the market. Dr. Talbot’s article is filled with accusations that are not supported by her findings. She states, “Nothing is known about the chemicals in the aerosolized vapors from e-cigarettes.” Since users inhale the aerosolized vapors, it would seem that this would be the most important information to have regarding product safety. So did Dr. Talbot test the vapor? No.

As Dr. Seigel’s article points out, numerous tests have been performed on the vapor and have found no dangerous chemicals. In fact, the FDA itself tested the liquid and the vapor. And while the FDA did produce an alarmist press release regarding the chemicals found in the liquids, the FDA failed to point out that the quantities were too miniscule to present any danger to human health. Furthermore, the agency said nothing at all in the press release about what their lab tests found in the vapor, which was nothing at all.

At least three scientific studies involving human subjects have been published. All show that e-cigarettes do not harm users and are effective at subduing withdrawal symptoms. If a lay person like me has found these studies, why are they so difficult for Dr. Talbot to find?

If the design flaws identified by Dr. Talbot represent “serious public health problems,” how is it possible that during the seven years the products have been in use world-wide that there have been no reports of any serious illness or injuries caused by e-cigarettes? How is it possible that more than 90% of users report in surveys that their health has improved since switching from smoking to inhaling vapor? If the products might be ineffective, how does Dr. Talbot explain the fact that approximately 80% of users have managed to use e-cigarettes as a complete replacement for all their smoked cigarettes?

 

[Vocalek]

They sent me an email telling me my comment was published and provided this link. The World Science Blog

They have many comments published on that page on a variety of stories. Only two regard the "Burning Debate" article: Authors are Elaine Keller and Kevin Mulvina. Probably the fastest way to find them is to use the Find feature in your browser and look for the author names.

 

[Petrodus]

I see no reason to think that Prue Talbot thinks.

Little Known Fact: Prue's given name was PRUDE OUTHOUSE

In "Idiotopia" (where she was born) the name PRUDE
is associated with intelligence and Outhouse is a
common last name. She changed her name to
Prue Talbot after requesting asylum in the US