Daily Mail: Safety Fears over Electronic Cigarette

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Only time I ever see this being an issue is if someone is selling 100mg nicotine without proper packaging.Having worked for UPS while in college I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that postal workers arent always careful with packages, they can and do leak.What happens if a non-smoker gets 100mg nic on their skin?

 

[ctourtelot]

Only time I ever see this being an issue is if someone is selling 100mg nicotine without proper packaging.Having worked for UPS while in college I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that postal workers arent always careful with packages, they can and do leak.What happens if a non-smoker gets 100mg nic on their skin?

Caution should always be used when handling nicotine, but from personal experience, I've spilled a fair amount of 100mg liquid on my hands while mixing as I bumped the bottle and it tipped over onto my hand. I finished pouring my measured amount into my mixing bottle and then washed my hands. All I got was a slight buzz like I used to get with my first cigarette of the day.

Obviously, tolerance levels will vary.

 

[zapped]

Caution should always be used when handling nicotine, but from personal experience, I've spilled a fair amount of 100mg liquid on my hands while mixing as I bumped the bottle and it tipped over onto my hand. I finished pouring my measured amount into my mixing bottle and then washed my hands. All I got was a slight buzz like I used to get with my first cigarette of the day.

Obviously, tolerance levels will vary.

Nice to meet another Richmond Va Vaper!

 

[ctourtelot]

Nice to meet another Richmond Va Vaper!

Likewise!

 

[Vocalek]

Only time I ever see this being an issue is if someone is selling 100mg nicotine without proper packaging.Having worked for UPS while in college I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that postal workers arent always careful with packages, they can and do leak.What happens if a non-smoker gets 100mg nic on their skin?

Keep in mind that what 100 mg means is 100 mg per gram! It gets confusing when a vendor sells cartridges that hold 1/3 of a ml (gram) of liquid and says that the strength is 18 mg. nicotine. Actually, that cartridge will have no more than 6 mg. of nicotine. It would be much easier for the general public to understand what they are dealing with if vendors expressed nicotine strength in terms of percent. A liquid containing 100 mg / gram has 10% nicotine in it. Liquids used as insecticide are much more concentrated, containing 40 to 60% nicotine.

So:
6 mg/g = 0.6% nicotine
12 mg/g = 1.2% nicotine
18 mg/g = 1.8% nicotine
24 mg/g = 2.4% nicotine

Just move the decimal point over one place to the left.

This is not to say that the liquids we use are harmless. Not at all. They need to be kept out of reach of children and pets. If being shipped, they need to be packaged safely. If spilled on skin, liquid should be washed off immediately.

 

[zoiDman]

I recall being in a discussion over 2 1/2 years ago about much the same thing. This is when the FDA was trying to shut down e-cigs by claiming they where a medical device. There where many of us calling for the industry to self-regulate before someone else did it for us.

Years later and it's the same old tune.

Even after a serious DIY incident there is still nothing from the manufactures to set up an organization to regulate themselves with some basic safeguards and standards. I have no faith they will do it on their own unless forced to by us or...... someone else.

I'm curious if the UK group is organized and funded by the manufactures or if they are an independent group? I don't know that much about it but the little I have read. They appear to be years ahead of the USA.

Yeah, it is a Shame.

What blows my mind is that a Mod will Explode in someone's face and this board becomes an Ant Hill of Proactive Discussion and Debate.

Threads are Started about Safety Left and Right. Arguments about Stacked batteries verses Single batteries. Guidelines are Posted for what to have and what to Not have. People are concerned as well they should be.

But what about the e-Liquids that everyone uses? Where is the concern there?

Maybe it is going to take a bad batch of Nicotine Base laced with p-dichlorobenzene for vapers to consider that Most Retailers don't check their Nicotine Base for Contaminants. They just dump it into a Plastic Bottle, add some of this and some of that along with some Chemicals for Flavor and ship it to the Masses.

I don't worry so much about people who can't figure out a DIY Mixture and get too much Nicotine Base or Flavoring in a Recipe. Can't save the world One Person at a Time.

But I'm am Very Concerned that a Retailer could receive a Bad Batch of Nicotine Base and by not having any Testing Procedures in place, could Unknowingly effect Hundreds of their Customers.

Talk about a Field Day for the Media and the ANTZ. What do you think the FDA/Government would do then?

 

[zoiDman]

Only time I ever see this being an issue is if someone is selling 100mg nicotine without proper packaging.Having worked for UPS while in college I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that postal workers arent always careful with packages, they can and do leak.What happens if a non-smoker gets 100mg nic on their skin?

See the above post.

 

[Bill Godshall]

Vocalek wrote

Keep in mind that what 100 mg means is 100 mg per gram!

Correction, 100 mg means 100 mg per ml.

I was very disappointed reading the comments in that article attributed to John Britton (who has been a prominant tobacco harm reduction advocate in the UK). I urge UK e-cigarette consumers and vendors to contact John Britton at j.britton@virgin.net to introduce yourselves and try to begin a discussion about responsible and reasonable regulations for e-cigarettes.

I already sent an e-mail to John inquiring about specific regulations he now advocates for e-cigarettes, but he hasn't responded.

My concerns are that e-cigarette prohibitionists, after failing in attempts to ban e-cigarettes, are increasingly advocating unwarranted and draconian regulations for e-cigarettes (e.g. banning all advertising, banning usage in workplaces, excessive taxation, banning flavorings, banning internet sales).

The word "regulation" is also increasingly being used by anti tobacco actvists to describe "prohibition" policies, although I strongly doubt that John Britton supports banning the sale of e-cigarettes.

But my point is that, the devil is in the details of regulation, as if regulations resulted in the doubling or tripling of retail prices, there would no longer be any financial incentive for smokers to switch to e-cigarettes.

 

[kristin]

CASAA .... Head of the Year Award possibility:

Chief Executive, Sheila Duffy, said: 'Evidence on the safety of e-cigarettes is limited and existing regulation of the product isn't consistent, which concerns us. We're awaiting a the results of research from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in Spring 2013, which will give more clarity on the harmfulness and efficacy of this product.

'Even more concerning, however, is that e-cigarettes also look like real cigarettes and are able to be used in many places where smoking is banned.

Tobacco is not a normal product - it kills half of its consumers if used as intended. As a society we have a responsibility to protect young people by moving away from giving the impression that smoking is a desirable thing to do.'

"Even more concerning" than potential toxins is the fact that e-cigarettes look like real cigarettes and can be used where smoking is prohibited? Do we need more proof that this isn't about our health, but more about what the ANTZ deem acceptable behavior, because the most concerning things about e-cigarettes for them is how they "look" and where they can be used?

And the second bolded sentence is an blatant LIE. "Tobacco" doesn't kill half it's users if "used as intended." If that was true, Sweden would be mostly vacant land, because nearly 2 million Swedes use snus - about the same percentage (20%) of the population that smoke in the U.S. - and there is no scientific evidence that snus significantly increases any health risks. Additionally, another 14% of Swedes smoke, so a much higher percentage use tobacco than in the U.S., yet the average life expectancy in Sweden is 81 years vs. 78 years in the U.S.

 

[BoiseMike]

Expecting that industry self-regulation will prevent government over-regulation is fantasy. Big Brother wants all dissent stamped out. He will get his way whether through regulations or taxes.
Where do I signup for the revolution?

 

[Petrodus]

Expecting that industry self-regulation will prevent government over-regulation is fantasy. Big Brother wants all dissent stamped out. He will get his way whether through regulations or taxes.
Where do I signup for the revolution?

Revolution Cocktail
Mix equal parts
Nanny State, Political Correctness and government regulations

Top it off with a cherry ...
because you know, fruit is good for you