Burnt plastic taste help

[Howardt09sq]

So Im relatively new to vaping. I've had basic 3.7 v battery's up until now. I just purchased the Vision Spinner 2.

I used the Kanger T3 clearomizers on my previous batteries, and so I decided to use it on my new VP2.

The first day, it worked amazingly well on the 4.8v setting. Huge clouds of vapor and good flavor. But the next day, after a few hits, I started having absolutely horrible dry hits.

I thought maybe it was the coil. So I replaced it three times, each time not helping.

I've already tried flipping the rubber grommet to no prevail. I've changed the juice. The only somewhat effective fix I've found is taking 3 short strong draws without engaging the battery before I take a hit, but the flavor is still very lackluster.

What is causing this? The Kanger T3 clearomizers coils has 2.4 ohm.
And I really want to continue using 4.8v, which gives me a 9.6 wattage.

It worked perfectly the first day and now it appears I'm screwed unless I buy a different
Clearomizer.

Please. Anybody. Somebody. Help me.

 

[Katya]

Kanger Troubleshooting 101:

If your clearo is flooding, the connections are not tight enough--or too tight. Keep reading.

If you're using clearos and getting a burnt taste it means that not enough juice is getting to the coil and you're basically vaping dry, hot air or inhaling smoke from the gunk that's burning off of your coil. Not a good thing. Another case of bad taste maybe the tank itself--some arrive covered with some kind of nasty grease; wash them with soap and water (just the tanks--soak the coils in PGA or vodka).

There are a few things you need to remember when using a T3 or an eVod or a ProTank--in addition to keeping your coils clean and free of gunk that accumulates on them.

1) Make sure that the atomizer coil is screwed into the base tightly--every time you refill; they often come not fully tightened from the manufacturer, or may have gotten loose through repeated refills.

2) Look at all the inner seals and gaskets to make sure they haven't become dislodged.

3) Make sure that you screw the tank into its base tightly. If it's not tight, it will leak.

4) When you screw your clearomizer into your battery, do not overtighten--screw it in only until it makes contact--no farther, or you may push the center post in too deep and cause all kinds of problems, including leaking. When the draw becomes tight or the taste and vapor production begin to diminish, replace the coil. This will happen sooner (even as soon as one day of heavy use) if you're using dark, viscous, or very sweet juices. The old coil can be cleaned and dry burned.

5) Make sure you're not getting any juice in the center tube when you're filling--this will cause your eVod to leak like a sieve. If some juice gets into the tube, close the top cap, place a tissue under your tank and blow gently through the clearomizer to get rid of any excess eliquid. Also, extra condensation inside the tank may, on some occasions, drip back into the center tube. Wipe your mouthpiece dry with a q-tip or a tissue when you refill (or more often when/if needed).

6) Take an occasional "primer puff" (a slow draw without activating the battery) when you vape. It helps move the juice into the coil chamber and removes any air bubbles that sometimes form in the tank and may cause gurgling or impede proper wicking.

7) New clearomizers (Aerotanks etc.) come with a clever airflow adjustment base--make sure you adjust the settings to your liking.

8) Take slow long draws rather than sharp and quick ones like we used to do while smoking cigarettes. Do not over vape, chain vape, power vape. Let the juice travel to the coil between drags.

9) Do not remove any flavor wicks if you're experiencing any leaking or flooding. Those wicks are there for a reason. If you feel that you have to remove a wick because your eliquid is particularly thick, do it carefully--one strand at a time. If your liquid is super thin, you can thicken it with a bit of VG (USP--pharma grade) or you can add another strand of cotton to your flavor wick. Don't add too much or you'll choke your atomizer and get a dry hit.

and last but not least:

10) Keep the coils and wicks clean (search ECF or YouTube for detailed coil cleaning instructions). Discard when when flavor and vapor start to diminish. Those coils are disposable.

Also, make sure you're vaping at correct wattages; Kanger recommends 5.5-7.5 watts for single coils. Dual coils require a bit more wattage than single coils. They also benefit from increased airflow.

 

[NealBJr]

sounds like you're dry hitting.

Try this... block the airflow(s) and do an inhale.. it will draw more juice to the wick.

If it doesn't work, then there must be something else.. but if it is a wicking issue, here's some suggestions:

check you r juice.. if it's higher VG, it might always experience some dry hits. Try a higher PG juice if there's more VG than PG.
turn down the voltage.. it might just be too much for the tank to keep up.
if there's a flavor wick.. remove it.

Try my first suggestion.. to see if it's a wicking issue.

 

[Warpigs]

Welcome to ECF! Hope you find out what is wrong and can enjoy your vape again

 

[Howardt09sq]

sounds like you're dry hitting.

Try this... block the airflow(s) and do an inhale.. it will draw more juice to the wick.

If it doesn't work, then there must be something else.. but if it is a wicking issue, here's some suggestions:

check you r juice.. if it's higher VG, it might always experience some dry hits. Try a higher PG juice if there's more VG than PG.
turn down the voltage.. it might just be too much for the tank to keep up.
if there's a flavor wick.. remove it.

Try my first suggestion.. to see if it's a wicking issue.

The first suggestion fixed the problem!! Thank you so much.

Now, if it is indeed too much for the tank to handle on a regular basis, then would a dual coil handle the 4.8 w better?

Like I said I'm relatively newer. I had no idea there was so much to learn!

But from my understanding a dual coil at 2.4 ohm would have two 4.8 ohm coils. So, if I'm understanding the math correctly, would the coils last longer, produce bigger hits, and heat slower while having the same production as a 2.4 ohm single coil?

 

[Katya]

But from my understanding a dual coil at 2.4 ohm would have two 4.8 ohm coils. So, if I'm understanding the math correctly, would the coils last longer, produce bigger hits, and heat slower while having the same production as a 2.4 ohm single coil?

Pretty much.

But dual coils come in lower resistances, usually 1.5 or 1.8Ω (that is 3 and 3.6Ω per coil, respectively).

They produce more vapor at slightly lower temps than a single coil would need. I love my Aerotanks. Give it a try--you may like it. If you need more info about watts and volts and ohms, looky here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...171-best-resistance-coil-vv.html#post14314739

 

[Howardt09sq]

Pretty much.

But dual coils come in lower resistances, usually 1.5 or 1.8Ω (that is 3 and 3.6Ω per coil, respectively).

They produce more vapor at slightly lower temps than a single coil would need. I love my Aerotanks. Give it a try--you may like it. If you need more info about watts and volts and ohms, looky here

Thank you!

I did happen to find a few dual coils that were 2.4 ohm.

The front runner for my purchase right now being the Aspire CE5. Or the CE5-S.

Not too sure on the difference between the two yet.

But major thanks to both of you again.

 

[Katya]

2.4Ω dual coil may be too much for a Vision Spinner... You may need more than 4.8v to run it. Or maybe not.

Anyway, I'd try to go lower than that, if possible.

 

[Howardt09sq]

2.4Ω dual coil may be too much for a Vision Spinner... You may need more than 4.8v to run it. Or maybe not.

Anyway, I'd try to go lower than that, if possible.

My only concern is that if I go too low on the ohm, the amps will be too high. It has an amp limit of 2.5.

So if I run a 1.5 ohm dual coil, will the amps be determined by the fact that there is two 3.0 ohm coils? Or will it be determined by the fact that overall it's a 1.5 ohm? Or will it even out to the middle ground, 2.3?

Because if the math is done using 1.5 as the ohm, it's running 3.2 amps.

Now I'm stumped.

I'm confused as to how dual coils fit into the amps = volts/ohm equation

 

[Katya]

If your battery cannot supply the amps needed, it will just drop the voltage. Nothing bad will happen.

Your battery doesn't care how many coils are configured in parallel--it reads the resistance of the atty and supplies the watts needed. Then the watts are divided between the two coils, So if you throw 8 watts at two coils, each coil gets 4 watts of power. Roughly.

Ohm's Law can't be defied.

 

[Howardt09sq]

If your battery cannot supply the amps needed, it will just drop the voltage. Nothing bad will happen.

Your battery doesn't care how many coils are configured in parallel--it reads the resistance of the atty and supplies the watts needed. Then the watts are divided between the two coils, So if you throw 8 watts at two coils, each coil gets 4 watts of power. Roughly.

Ohm's Law can't be defied.

Oh ok now I understand.

So the two 4.8 ohm coils make the overall 2.4 ohm because even though they burn at 4.8 ohm, there's two of them, so it halves the resistance.

So if the battery divides the watts and resistance up, then does it do the same for the volts?

For instance, if I vaped at 4.8 volts, really each coil would be getting 2.4 volts since there's two?

And would that necessarily equal more vape per hit? More vapor clouds?

 

[Katya]

I'm not very good at explaining this,,, sorry. Imagine vaping two 4.8Ω coils at the same time--attached to the same battery... Does this make sense?


P = E²/R or wattage = voltage squared divided by resistance.

You can only control two variables of the equation. The resistance of your dual coil atty is 2.4Ω. You set your battery at 4 volts, for example. The rest is physics--4 x 4 divided by 2.4 = 6.6 watts of power (1.66 amps). The watts then get divided between two coils (which are configured in parallel)--so each coil gets only 3.3 watts.

You can play with this little calculator if it's easier.

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

 

[joesquid]

You buy an adjustable battery so you can dial it in to your clearo. You are trying to dial your clearo into a setting you have determined is optimum. Not sure why you don't just turn the voltage down.

 

[Howardt09sq]

You buy an adjustable battery so you can dial it in to your clearo. You are trying to dial your clearo into a setting you have determined is optimum. Not sure why you don't just turn the voltage down.

I just want big vapor clouds, good taste, and durability. And from what I understand dual could are better at providing those things.

 

[Howardt09sq]

And also since the wattage is divided between two coils, it appears the coils would last longer, if I'm thinking about it correctly.

 

[joesquid]

I don't know if those assumptions are correct. Most coils are replaced well before they burn out. Once they get gunked up you have a choice to replace or clean them in some fashion. The amount of juice your vaporizing as well as the type of juice for the most part determine how long they'll last before they need maintenance. To get the best taste and clouds, you need to match the power to the clearo you have. To tell you the truth, I prefer the vape from a single coil better than a dual.

 

[Katya]

And also since the wattage is divided between two coils, it appears the coils would last longer, if I'm thinking about it correctly.

Not necessarily. Atomizer coils get gunked up pretty fast and that depends on the kind of juice you're using--the darker, the sweeter the juice, the faster the buildup occurs. The only way to get rid of that gunk is to dry burn the coil, which is a somewhat risky procedure; the wires are thin and may pop when exposed to too much dry heat.

It really comes down to personal preference. I use both single and dual coils--I keep them clean and they last a couple of weeks or so, but they are all disposable. They need to be thrown out sooner or later.

 

[Davey59]

That sounds awful, I have never experienced this. And I hope I never will!

Keep your battery turned down to a reasonable level for your equipment and you probably won't

 

[Howardt09sq]

Not necessarily. Atomizer coils get gunked up pretty fast and that depends on the kind of juice you're using--the darker, the sweeter the juice, the faster the buildup occurs. The only way to get rid of that gunk is to dry burn the coil, which is a somewhat risky procedure; the wires are thin and may pop when exposed to too much dry heat.

It really comes down to personal preference. I use both single and dual coils--I keep them clean and they last a couple of weeks or so, but they are all disposable. They need to be thrown out sooner or later.

Even when I started vaping with the basic battery's, I have yet to have a clearomizer last more than a day or 2. So what would you suggest I use?

 

[Howardt09sq]

I don't know if those assumptions are correct. Most coils are replaced well before they burn out. Once they get gunked up you have a choice to replace or clean them in some fashion. The amount of juice your vaporizing as well as the type of juice for the most part determine how long they'll last before they need maintenance. To get the best taste and clouds, you need to match the power to the clearo you have. To tell you the truth, I prefer the vape from a single coil better than a dual.

That's my question. I don't know how to properly match the two. What resistance should I use if I want to vape at 9-10 watts consistently? Should I go with a low ohm and low voltage, low ohm and average voltage, or higher ohm and higher voltage? And do watts translate into size of vape clouds and taste?