Burt atty or what ? Fix- Tips and tricks

[KENNY V]

I was doing a search and came up with these two threads on the topic


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...983-510-atties-w-horrible-metallic-taste.html


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-issues/66080-burnt-taste-all-my-attys.html


Now id like to ask Do we have a finial consensus yet as to what causes the metallic taste? And can you get rid of it?
Is it just a bad atty and or can it be repaired? I have bought like 20 atty's this past month from a few dif vendors and most if not all still have issues. Comments welcome of course


is it me or all my attys? Do i get a headache from the atty or the juice I am putting in it ?

and A bonus Q can i remove the mesh from a bridged Atty and it still function properly?


TIA

 

[Unforeseen]

Please describe in detail how you've been using your atomizers. That may explain the issue you've been experiencing with your atomizers. Is there anything else besides the metallic taste? Headaches may be caused by the e-liquid that your using, what's the nic level?

Yes, you can remove the mesh from the bridge and it will still function properly. Another option is to remove the bridge entirely or what is otherwise known as "de-bridging" the atomizer.

 

[KENNY V]

Please describe in detail how you've been using your atomizers. That may explain the issue you've been experiencing with your atomizers. Is there anything else besides the metallic taste? Headaches may be caused by the e-liquid that your using, what's the nic level?

Yes, you can remove the mesh from the bridge and it will still function properly. Another option is to remove the bridge entirely or what is otherwise known as "de-bridging" the atomizer.

I initially blow them out., prime them with multiple drops of e liquid ( and or plain VG) , get them good and soaked, then an initial slight burn, then. vape them. Clean riase and repeat... . I do see some definite improvement in taste over time if i use. them over and over .

.well. my last problem may be Bc.. got brand new ones Again ..but this was happening with my old ones too.. Not sure if it was BC i had issues with PG so i ordered and had specially made VG only juices. Well I can now say with 100% assurance PG is a BIG issue even 10% ...

Now i tried again to vape . with. 2 new. Cisco spec 306, AND new. vapage 2.5Ohms . May not have broke in. enough? NOW I AM GOING TO CLEAN EM OUT PRIME EM AND try AGAIN...

the last prob was trying an alcohol based e liquid . Supposed to get VG Organic from VV.. didn't know its like 95% alcohol when ya get em.. . So the last thing i tried to vape was organic stuff. Yes let it sit out caps off with fan blowing over it. for a day or so..

. Ohh. I did vape a favorite Ry4 and same thing . Now A couple cycles of really soaking them in some plain VG then burning that may change results . but when i had non stop headaches from even 10% PG it was hard to tell. anything if it was atty's or the dang juice all the time.

Rise and repeat trial and error i guess at least i can re try with the 8 other attys' i still have to see if its juts the atty or one juice im using …. O well thanks for your help....... yup i learned to de bridge without even knowing the term...whatever tates better right? soon i will make my Pure vape attys n u guys will know what a vape should taste like

 

[Zaratoughda]

Kenny... after people have been vaping a while they come to realize you need an ohm/volt meter to test things out.

I picked up a digital one for around $15 at Walmart... and I have to subtract .3 ohms from the readings (this is just the internal resistance, which can be determined by crossing the leads when on the ohm range) but, otherwise it has worked great. I test ALL incoming atties (and cartos/clearos) and the like before using them (sometimes they got problems).

If I start having a problem with an atty that is the first thing I do... check it's resistance. If it is way low then that is the obvious problem as that would produce a lot of heat and thus burn the juice.

Yeah, was dry burning an atty I had and was having some problems with it and all of a sudden the battery started blinking so I immediately tested its resistance and... was just 0.6 ohms so, to the dead pile with that one (it happens sometimes when dry burning).

You can also get an ohmmeter and also a voltmeter made especially for vapers from places like empire mods, etc.

 

[Zaratoughda]

Kenny... the OTHER thing... is what voltage are you vaping at?

I use the 1.5 and 2.0 ohm atties from cisco but, I am using an ego and that is 3.4 regulated volts.

There are OTHER batteries, like the riva, that are UNREGULATED voltage... so on those you are vaping at anywhere's in between 3.2 and 4.2 volts and, 4.2 might be a bit much for 1.5 ohm atties (comes in at 11.76 watts and that is definately above the recomended range for vaping).

If you are using a VV (variable voltage) battery, then you gotta turn it down.

I am wondering if the burnt metallic taste you are getting is the ejuice burning (it happens) rather than any problem with the atty.

 

[Zaratoughda]

Oh, one other thing on this...

If you are getting a burning taste when dripping... what you might want to try is to... drip more drops in there.

I usually drip maybe 5-7 drops and, that is a lot more than most drippers if I am not mistaken.

But, in any case when I get down near the end of that vape that is when I sometimes get the burnt juice taste.

It is a matter of, when I got the 5-7 drops in there.... the heat gets dissipated into the juice that is in there but when I get down to having not much juice in there... the heat is all concentrated on what is left and THAT is when I get the burnt taste.

Only happens SOME times on the egos. They are regulated but only partially so. If I am not mistaken their range is really from around 3.55 volts to around 3.25. That is a difference of 8.4 watts compared to 7 watts (on a 1.5 ohm atty). Yeah, despite being 'regulated', you can still without a doubt tell the difference when one battery runs out and you replace it with a fully charged battery.

 

[KENNY V]

Kenny... after people have been vaping a while they come to realize you need an ohm/volt meter to test things out.

I picked up a digital one for around $15 at Walmart... and I have to subtract .3 ohms from the readings (this is just the internal resistance, which can be determined by crossing the leads when on the ohm range) but, otherwise it has worked great. I test ALL incoming atties (and cartos/clearos) and the like before using them (sometimes they got problems).

If I start having a problem with an atty that is the first thing I do... check it's resistance. If it is way low then that is the obvious problem as that would produce a lot of heat and thus burn the juice.

Yeah, was dry burning an atty I had and was having some problems with it and all of a sudden the battery started blinking so I immediately tested its resistance and... was just 0.6 ohms so, to the dead pile with that one (it happens sometimes when dry burning).

You can also get an ohmmeter and also a voltmeter made especially for vapers from places like empire mods, etc.

yea u mean one of these.
Cartomizer and Atomizer Ohm Meter

sure I have MM/and OM's on hand too . Yea learn more ill be an expert in no time..... and ill be back soon and present what i call a clean vape. Kenny V's custom clean drip. atty

. Dont get me wrong when u work out all the bugs its all prob great . Well i had two good days ( in 6 weeks). . bottom line is this after mket industry dont know squat and cant make a good product.. (the over seas junk). then. half of the community defends half of the side effects that everyone reports....

i though a better quality Atty wouldn't be a hit and miss .. Sorry but i first posted and asked Q's on breaking in attys cato's clearo's . and most folks open a package and vape ..Im not trying to start with anyone and grateful for all the help i have received.... But sheesh i didn't. expect to have PG issues on top of all the other stuff. i went though....... so yea its been a rough 6 weeks. and all along i needed my WTA's. with ZERO PG content.... Well They dont make it friend..... so please. dont anyone take it personal..been a rough ride guys...

Btw im better now. 6 days RYO organic stuff . ..ill be back. but gona take some time....


Ps
i did not go to the dark side nor give up yet .. needed to keep sane. i have sooooo much invested, always wanted to vape... I am a trooper been though the rough tho....... i wont give up ..but everyday i smoke and feel good its gona get harder esp if i cant vape what i need to get off the smokes.
6 weeks was enough for anyone to retreat .....
Hope that makes sense.... if not Please dont ask...
Vape on

 

[Zaratoughda]

Kenny... yeah... you get all sorts of people pushing this and that and what works for one person, does not work for another.

Generally speaking, the recommendation (amongst sane people) is you should vape at between 4 and 8.5 watts. If you go over 8.5 then you may indeed get juice burning. If you go over 10 watts then you are not only looking at more juice burning but also greater chance for atty burnout and the like.

I was watching a youtube video the other day, was supposedly gonna review some Tasty Vapor juices, but in general the reviewer instead was pushing 6 volt vaping. The thing is, the highest resistance atties I have seen are 3.5 ohms and if you go with that at 6 volts, you are ALREADY over 10 watts so... well... I guess some people like it REALLY hot.

I have seen some juices out there specifically made for 'high voltage' vaping so maybe that is what they use.

Sheesh, on Tasty Vapor juices I have (and others), I was starting to taste some juice burn using 1.8 ohm atties (6.4 watts) and, backed off on those to 2.0 ohm atties (5.8 watts on an ego) and that fixed the problem.

(I should say here that, the 1.8 ohmer was a cisco with bridge that I had picked the wick out, while the 2.0 ohmer was a bridgeles cisco, and the 2.0 ohmer gave better vapor than the 1.8er.... yeah, no bridge in the way of the vaping.)

The problem you are PROBABLY having is running at higher wattage than your juice can handle, and thus need to go with higher ohm atties, go to lower voltage, or get some of that 'high voltage' juice that can be found out there.

 

[Unforeseen]

I initially blow them out., prime them with multiple drops of e liquid ( and or plain VG) , get them good and soaked, then an initial slight burn, then. vape them. Clean riase and repeat... . I do see some definite improvement in taste over time if i use. them over and over .

.well. my last problem may be Bc.. got brand new ones Again ..but this was happening with my old ones too.. Not sure if it was BC i had issues with PG so i ordered and had specially made VG only juices. Well I can now say with 100% assurance PG is a BIG issue even 10% ...

Now i tried again to vape . with. 2 new. Cisco spec 306, AND new. vapage 2.5Ohms . May not have broke in. enough? NOW I AM GOING TO CLEAN EM OUT PRIME EM AND try AGAIN...

the last prob was trying an alcohol based e liquid . Supposed to get VG Organic from VV.. didn't know its like 95% alcohol when ya get em.. . So the last thing i tried to vape was organic stuff. Yes let it sit out caps off with fan blowing over it. for a day or so..

. Ohh. I did vape a favorite Ry4 and same thing . Now A couple cycles of really soaking them in some plain VG then burning that may change results . but when i had non stop headaches from even 10% PG it was hard to tell. anything if it was atty's or the dang juice all the time.

Rise and repeat trial and error i guess at least i can re try with the 8 other attys' i still have to see if its juts the atty or one juice im using …. O well thanks for your help....... yup i learned to de bridge without even knowing the term...whatever tates better right? soon i will make my Pure vape attys n u guys will know what a vape should taste like

With an atomizer..after you prime them it's a good idea to let them rest for at least seven minutes. This gives the e-liquid time to saturate the mesh and wick. This explains the taste that your experiencing.

When the wick becomes "burnt" the flavor will linger and it'll seem like your continuously experiencing dry hits. My suggestion would be to completely remove the wick. Since it will never really improve to the point to where you won't notice it while vaping. You might be one of many that are allergic to PG. So, you've made the right choice switching to a VG based e-liquid.

 

[KENNY V]

yup yup thats why I was using 3 dif attys when driping trying to keep them cool while being able to get a few hits all at once...

yea higher ohms and lower voltage esp with thinner juices fruits and stuff . I was having lots of probs with all my juices so had to order more special blends....and only drip to vape. I have about a dozen atttys now broken in to choose from Standard resistance higher resistance. Now the new ones are the Vapage Hybrid 2.5 ohm and the Cisco 306 (2.5 Ohm) .Now the vapage is bridgeless works fine after I soaked em primed em and broke em in. The last juice I had put in em was awful. Alcohol base.

Ok Now I have a Q about de bridging de whicking on my cisco 306 . Why dont they seem to be working the same after I de whicked em? kinda slurry, airy hits takes a bit to prime em up to get a good vape ?
Suggestions welcome...


Btw its confirmed ALL my juices that contain small amount of PG give/ GAVE me issues. ( im sane now) Hense was the problem all along from trying to transition to vaping . ( 7 days was smoke free) Too bad tho I was on a good run and dont have too many alternatives left...

 

[Zaratoughda]

I used to get bridged cisco 306 1.8 ohmers, and would pick the wick out of them.

But, there is some wick material that runs INSIDE the coil... and I was sure to leave that there. It helps keep the juice from flowing right through the coil.

Of course, I seem to remember some poster that removed that part as well.

More recently I have been getting the cisco bridgeless 306 atties (1.5 and 2.0 ohm 306ers) and... they do not have a bridge and no wick to pull out but... they DO have that wick material running through the coil just like the one's with bridges and.. I leave that alone for the same reason I left the others alone.

Hope this helps. Just my own personal experience.