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Butting Out: New Yorkers Vaping Up a Storm With E-Cigs
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I may get a lot of flack for this but, frankly I don't care. The article was a nice read until the point where spikey(Ms Babaian) was featured. I like the fact that news outlets are seeking out qualified veteran vapers to share their viewpoints. However I can't understand how a dominatrix or whatever she was, who has a swap meet type location with a limited product none of which are her designs, promotes vaping.
Granted, I have never met her, and I have never seen her operation, nor would care to. Lets look at the article, the writer states that she was in the adult entertainment sector, she claims her store is the only one in NY, then he calls it little more than a kiosk, makes a comment how her current device looks like a walkie talkie around her neck, and then proceeds to call her a roll your own vaper while obviously critical about her entire setup.
Now a person's past is just that and I get it. But appearently her setup needs a lot of work. If your selling things to the public, it better be presented in a good light, not with barely legible anything. Also trying to call a mall kiosk a store will also help ruin any credibility. I've seen pictures of her at her kiosk that she posted online and she was dressed slovenly. I mean seriously? This is who vapes? Of course the writer will conclude that this isn't the hip thing to do.
Granted, I have never met her, and I have never seen her operation, nor would care to. Lets look at the article, the writer states that she was in the adult entertainment sector, she claims her store is the only one in NY, then he calls it little more than a kiosk, makes a comment how her current device looks like a walkie talkie around her neck, and then proceeds to call her a roll your own vaper while obviously critical about her entire setup.
Now a person's past is just that and I get it. But appearently her setup needs a lot of work. If your selling things to the public, it better be presented in a good light, not with barely legible anything. Also trying to call a mall kiosk a store will also help ruin any credibility. I've seen pictures of her at her kiosk that she posted online and she was dressed slovenly. I mean seriously? This is who vapes? Of course the writer will conclude that this isn't the hip thing to do.
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Sure. Why not? Vaping is good whether it's being done with a cheap blinged-out disposable at an alternative dance club in NYC---- or in a country club in Grosse Point, MI, with everyone holding a gold-plated Provari.
There is no *image* that portrays all of us........there are 100,000+ members just on ECF, I'm pretty sure some of them wouldn't appeal to me personally........but I stand united, next to them, we are fellow vaporers just tryin' to help each other make it thru w/out cancer sticks.
Einstein and many other esteemed people who gave a lot to the world in science, mathematics, art, etc. often looked like dishevelled homeless people.
Maybe somebody can do a story on an Ivy League type in CT who sells vape gear in a tony upscale lounge. I'm from that area and can find just the right people. ( As a matter of fact, I look like one of 'em. ) Then I look at somebody like Kat VonD and her crew over at LA-INK. She looks pretty "alternative". But-----I can really appreciate people like her who want to express who they are---- rather than who I am.
Because Ms VonD really did a lot towards putting tatooing on the map. I meet conservative housewives with tatoos---I meet bad ... bikers with tatoos....and bikers who are bad-... orthopedic surgeons with tatoos. Personally, I don't have one, and never will. It's not my taste. I understand about image but as I got older it starts to look........shallow.........and i do understand you are saying you don't like "certain people" representing vaping. BUT if that is the case, it's time to get together with your friends, get out there, in the public eye........in whatever *uniform* you and yours wear, and with whatever *past history* ya'll bring with that package, and do your part to represent who we are.
You are entitled to your opinion of course, we are all different. I take offense to activists talking bout the "seething hatred" vaporers feel for the ANTZ and the FDA-----I categorically don't practice hate, in any shape or form, and most certainly not the *seething* kind.........it's against my entire spiritual path and I absolutely don't want anyone speaking for me using that kind of language.........whether they are wearing a tattered trenchcoat or an Armani suit.
So guess image is image is image and it's like tossing around a buncha rocks inside a polishing machine, every rock comes out different.
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Wow that was a nasty backstabbing article. No truth only conjecture and opinion. All laced with slur and inferred negativity.
Shame shame shame.
Drew Grant should be writing fiction, he has some skill at description and he(could be a she!) certainly writes like thats what he would prefer.
Journalism, you know reporting facts in a clear and truthful manner, isn't his thing.
Shame shame shame.
Drew Grant should be writing fiction, he has some skill at description and he(could be a she!) certainly writes like thats what he would prefer.
Journalism, you know reporting facts in a clear and truthful manner, isn't his thing.
True investigative journalism died with Walter Cronkite.
Journalism today is little more than theatrics and drama ...
Spinning the truth any way they think will get an audience.
In America today ... Journalism's motto:
"Don't believe your lying eyes and ears
we will tell you what to believe"
Journalism today is little more than theatrics and drama ...
Spinning the truth any way they think will get an audience.
In America today ... Journalism's motto:
"Don't believe your lying eyes and ears
we will tell you what to believe"
For a good example see the "reporting" on the presidential debates.
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I suggest VaprMade delete his/her ignorant personal attack, as that's not what this forum is about.
Since 2009, Spike has been a pioneering advocate for e-cigarettes, tirelessly campaigning against legislation that would have banned the sale and use of e-cigarettes, conducting research on e-cigarettes, educating the public about the products, and coalescing vapers.
The author of this New York Observer article (who I suspect Spike contacted and convinced him to write the article) chose to discredit and smear Spike instead of reporting many of the facts she provided to him.
I suggest VaprMade delete his/her ignorant personal attack, as that's not what this forum is about.
Since 2009, Spike has been a pioneering advocate for e-cigarettes, tirelessly campaigning against legislation that would have banned the sale and use of e-cigarettes, conducting research on e-cigarettes, educating the public about the products, and coalescing vapers.
The author of this New York Observer article (who I suspect Spike contacted and convinced him to write the article) chose to discredit and smear Spike instead of reporting many of the facts she provided to him.
If you haven't seen it and don't care to see it, why do you feel the need to have an opinion?
VapeNY is a small store, but it is not a lousy swap meet. They've got pretty much everything! It is the only brick and mortar in the city, and we are happy to have it. Spike is very friendly, a big vaping activist, and played a large role in the setting up the IVAQS study. She does not deserve the slander in the article.
I knew i'd get flack considering who she is to this community. No I don't live in NY so I can go off of pictures I've seen. I'm not trying to be derogative to her as a person. I know she's done a lot for the community, but IMO if you are going to represent anything, it should be done in a professional way.
Why do we not want minors using PV's? Because of the image that it creates. Because it opens up vaping to unnecessary bias. Same with this. The article was ok until it got to describing VapeNY. I'm not trying to insult a person, Im just trying to illustrate that image does mean something.
Do I agree with the article? I have no reason to do so. But I have seen pictures of her setup that have been posted online. It reminds me of any swap meet that Ive been to. I will edit my above post and take out lousy as well as change how she represents her appearance, thats not fair to say that so thats what ill edit out. The rest of my post is valid. If image isn't a concern, then don't react negatively when somebody critiques it.
Why do we not want minors using PV's? Because of the image that it creates. Because it opens up vaping to unnecessary bias. Same with this. The article was ok until it got to describing VapeNY. I'm not trying to insult a person, Im just trying to illustrate that image does mean something.
Do I agree with the article? I have no reason to do so. But I have seen pictures of her setup that have been posted online. It reminds me of any swap meet that Ive been to. I will edit my above post and take out lousy as well as change how she represents her appearance, thats not fair to say that so thats what ill edit out. The rest of my post is valid. If image isn't a concern, then don't react negatively when somebody critiques it.
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Thanks Racehorse by saving me a lot of typing by writing your opinion that parallels mine.
You're right. It's the soccer moms and the paranoid progressives that we're worried about. Personally, I have no problem with minors vaping. I see it no more harmful that adults vaping. I do care about the reputation of the e-cigarette community getting tainted as a result of condoning minors vaping though. I won't support minors vaping if it ignites a crusade against vapers by the ANTZ though.
Did I miss something? Did the article promote minors vaping? I'm not sure what isn't professional about a dominatrix either. Their clients are filled with doctors and lawyers
Rothenbj, can I point out that in your avi, the wind blowing the flag is coming from the right, but the wind blowing up the skirt is coming from the left. This is fundamentally wrong and is painful to look at. OK I know that due to the Coriolis effect there is a windshear at increasing height, but not 180 degrees.
Hopefully I have totally derailed this thread and it can be dropped...
Hopefully I have totally derailed this thread and it can be dropped...
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