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[Sa Da Tay]

It's a worthy and interesting debate Jim Bob. From my viewpoint though, your argument above probably was used in the past for cigarettes themselves, and asbestos, lead paint, benzene, any pharmaceutical drug with notable side effects, ad infinitum. We have to look into these issues, even if it is seemingly self-contradictory to the fact that we're using the product ourselves.

You can absolutely vape away knowing that it is most likely much better than cigarettes but that personal decision doesn't negate the value of these investigations, imo.

 

[bigtiime]

Not buying into this. Sorry . .

I was dumb enough to smoke cigarettes for 42 years knowing full well that they would more than likely kill me. Never questioned anything concerning them. Just made sure I had them. My body says vaping is better. vaping may not be for everyone.

 

[Creniker]

I hear there antifreeze in e cigs too. We should stop....

 

[Jim Bob]

Always nice to have a civil discussion on important matters in my view.

As I see it 99% of the suppliers here are vapers themselves and I believe the other 1% have family that vape, I find it impossible to believe we would intentionally harm ourselves, Regulation would force those folks out (Mom&Pop shops first) and I'm not even close to believing they would be replaced by those who actually have our best interest in mind at the sake of their own greed and profits.

With all due respect, I just don't see any of that as a positive in some way.

When we have "safe" RX products which have listed side effects worse than the symptoms they treat- well I can't place any trust much less faith in "Regulation", the only real true result I have seen is greedy folks getting more greedy and quite rich at our expense (read consumer's expense) .

As most vapers seem to be more mature older Adults I figure we have the ability (as well as the responsibility) to help others as much as we can with True information and not "fear mongering" which IMO only serves those who want to either stop our vaping outright (Total Ban) OR to tax it very heavily costing many who have already invested their hard earned $ greatly.

Who can we really trust to "regulate" vaping? NOT the Government they do not prefer we live to "ripe old ages" cost too much in benefits, much better (in their view) for us to work 30 years or so and die off BEFORE we get any major percentage of all we've paid into the system.....

I guess I could be wrong, but I'd bet the Native Americans would agree that trusting our Government isn't advisable

It's a worthy and interesting debate Jim Bob. From my viewpoint though, your argument above probably was used in the past for cigarettes themselves, and asbestos, lead paint, benzene, any pharmaceutical drug with notable side effects, ad infinitum. We have to look into these issues, even if it is seemingly self-contradictory to the fact that we're using the product ourselves.

You can absolutely vape away knowing that it is most likely much better than cigarettes but that personal decision doesn't negate the value of these investigations, imo.

 

[denali_41]

aspartame is a by-product of bacteria eh,,,so is athletes foot...by no means do i want to be inhaling either product !!!

thanks for the heads up

 

[TomCatt]

NutraSweet is Aspartame as well. Splenda there isnt much documented on it, but Splenda CAN adversely affect the body in several ways because it IS a chemical substance and not natural.
People don’t want to hear that it may be just as dangerous as aspartame. Splenda also contains chlorine.
ythi

either way. im not here to argue with you. I get headaches from splenda vapes. I dont remember getting headaches from anything natural. Do i get headaches from water, veggies, fruits, vitamins, seasonings, spices, plants?
no...well...maybe if i smoke too much weed. LOL. but i do not. and i doubt you do. People think just gettting a headache is ok or not enough to get them off what they like. But continued use of the products will surely mess you up over time, and then you can hear a half educated doctor tell you its from something else like bad diet and lack of excercise. or than tell you since you used to smoke that its from the cigarettes.

In reality though...sweeteners may prove to be more deadly than analogs in the future.

Just an FYI, table salt contains chlorine also.

 

[Cynder]

Please take off your tinfoil hat and read something other than conspiracy websites.



I can make up lists also. Until you can show peer reviewed research on acceptable daily intake studies that show any adverse affects, that list is false.

Though I think the OP said a few things that may have been exaggerated, the list of symptoms is not false. You can google 92 symptoms of aspartame and find the FDA document quite easily from many sites. The list was documented by the FDA from reports provided to them from the Dept of Human Health Services in 1995.

Also on the dorway site (and I can see you will say this is a "conspiracy" website but I viewed it with an open mind) is a comprehensive dateline of how aspartame became approved and it was not an uphill battle because of the FDA being stubborn, they had reason. All of this is provided with sources and such on the page.

I'm kinda surprised at the reactions here, though excrement from bacteria is a bit over the top I have researched this before quite extensively as I know aspartame is a definite migraine trigger for me, and you cannot tell me it's not. Splenda does it to me as well. I went through a really bad spell of migraines nearly daily for a few months and went to countless doctors and even had an MRI done, they could not tell me what was wrong. I had to quit my job it was so bad.

Well, after quitting that job and getting my migraines under control I had stopped drinking coffee. After about 2 weeks the migraines went away. I have only had one migraine since then (2007) since I ceased the use of splenda (in my coffee). One can of diet soda for me and I will have a migraine. I'm not making it up, it happens, every time.

It's quite concerning to me as this stuff is in children's vitamins and chewable vitamin C. As for approved drugs being safe and we should trust this I just look at Chantix and what that has done to people. No it doesn't affect everyone in a negative way but not everyone who smokes gets cancer either.

 

[PaporPlas]

Both my wife and I have strong reactions to Aspartame. I am one of the worst with noticing details, and from time to time I buy "Light" or "Diet" green teas, or such, not realizing it has Aspartame in it, and we both get soars in our mouths and light headaches before we realize it was an Aspartame product! Then, she goes and looks at the container and is like, "You did it again!" lol

I haven't felt that strong reaction to my eJuices, but I have only used menthol and vanilla regularly. However, I will be aware now, just by the fact that this post mentioned there is Aspartame in sweet eJuices.

: o

Now that I think about it, I did test some blueberry that gave me a sore throat and some of those symptoms from Aspartame.

 

[Semiretired]

Aspartame affects less than 1% of the population. I fall within that 1%. My doctors told me to avoid diet sodas or anything else diet that included it (I read the labels on everything)... I use stevia if I want diet stuff with no side effects or I just use sugar and walk an extra trip around the block (LOL)...

 

[sachavaca]

when i first stated vapeing i had a reaction to eliquid, thaught i had a pg alergy but later found it was Aspartame. stuff is nasty, 2 day pounding headaces everytime i vaped it!. sure it's cheap but not fit for consumtion by me.

 

[cba191]

snopes.com: Aspartame -- Sweet Poison?


off topic, but can I still eat cheese?

 

[Some1OnThisForum]

looks like we have 2 sides here. people agree, people dont agree. At least there is a healthy debate!

I just want to clear a couple of things up. As i mentioned...I am not an expert in the science of creating aspartame. In no way did i say to everyone that they are "not entitled to their opinion. I was specific in responding to billo who said, "you are just trying to scare people". I felt it was a bit rude accusing me of this as i was just informing. If i scared anyone, It was not my attention. As for the others ranting off about me saying he was not entitled to his opinion...Calm down. I thought i made it clear that it was "my opinion" lol.


AS for the comment of me making up a list of side effects. They were not made up by me in any, way ,shape , or form. I copied and pasted it from a website.

 

[cba191]

What was the website? I'm just curious about who might have created it and which group they are trying to support on the sly? There is just so much stuff in the world that isn't "good" for you I try just to enjoy life and not worry.

The leading cause of death in the world is birth. It leads to death 100% of the time.

 

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Aspartame affects less than 1% of the population. I fall within that 1%. My doctors told me to avoid diet sodas or anything else diet that included it (I read the labels on everything)... I use stevia if I want diet stuff with no side effects or I just use sugar and walk an extra trip around the block (LOL)...

You said 1% of the population? USA? or worldwide? By my experiences with people who are affected. It feels like alot more that 1%. even so, that statistic could be from a couple years ago. since then, many many more products are carrying the stuff. Cereals, yogurts, oatmeals, and the majority of gums. We are also leaving out the fact that many side effects from aspartame can be considered minor average pains for most people...like headaches as mentioned, ........, maybe certain sharp pains that last only seconds will Commonly go unreported to doctors. A good example is the average unemployment statistic. They usually dont count in the people who are not receiving unemployment benefits anyway... There is also more technical names for aspartame I/we might not be aware of. For example. MSG is also labeled "Yeast Extract".

I was once the person who said "Ahh, who cares, it isnt going to kill me". But now i realize how bad these additives actually are.

 

[cba191]

and peanuts can kill over 1% of the population, while shellfish can kill over 2%. It's not just additives.

 

[Cynder]

What was the website? I'm just curious about who might have created it and which group they are trying to support on the sly? There is just so much stuff in the world that isn't "good" for you I try just to enjoy life and not worry.

The leading cause of death in the world is birth. It leads to death 100% of the time.

I already answered this, it was a list of symptoms provided to the FDA in 1995 by the Dept of Health and Human Services and was documented by the FDA. Just google 92 symptoms of aspartame and you can find scanned images of the original document.

 

[Semiretired]

You said 1% of the population? USA? or worldwide? By my experiences with people who are affected. It feels like alot more that 1%. even so, that statistic could be from a couple years ago. since then, many many more products are carrying the stuff. Cereals, yogurts, oatmeals, and the majority of gums. There is also more technical names for aspartame I/we might not be aware of. For example. MSG is also labeled "Yeast Extract".

I was once the person who said "Ahh, who cares, it isnt going to kill me". But now i realize who bad this dangerous additives actually are.

That statistic was or is several years old. I have not touched aspartame in over 12 years. When I wrote 1% I did not think about how much the use of aspartame may have increased over time... I have no true idea of what it would be today - I just know I have to avoid it...

I will add - it took several months of diet sodas and whatever else I was consuming for the side effects to be noticeable and it took a few months for them to go away also...

 

[firefox335]

Aspartame smashpertame! Nothing beats pure cane sugar!

 

[cba191]

Not that I give a crap about the FDA, but in 2006 (on their website) they say this:
FDA Statement on European Aspartame Study

 

[Some1OnThisForum]

wow..by the time i got done editing my post , 3 replys came in lol

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Quote Originally Posted by Some1OnThisForum View Post
You said 1% of the population? USA? or worldwide? By my experiences with people who are affected. It feels like alot more that 1%. even so, that statistic could be from a couple years ago. since then, many many more products are carrying the stuff. Cereals, yogurts, oatmeals, and the majority of gums. There is also more technical names for aspartame I/we might not be aware of. For example. MSG is also labeled "Yeast Extract".

I was once the person who said "Ahh, who cares, it isnt going to kill me". But now i realize who bad this dangerous additives actually are.
That statistic was or is several years old. I have not touched aspartame in over 12 years. When I wrote 1% I did not think about how much the use of aspartame may have increased over time... I have no true idea of what it would be today - I just know I have to avoid it...

I will add - it took several months of diet sodas and whatever else I was consuming for the side effects to be noticeable and it took a few months for them to go away also...

It took several months for me to notice the side effects as well. Except for vaping. it seemed to come on quicker which makes me wonder.