Buzz Pro BETA TEST results

[tgcrna]

Ok what is happening is that the battery voltage on the ePower is drooping or lowering , this is normal . batteries under load will reduce there voltage as the load increases . So really the eP is giving you around 3.2 volts NOT 3.7 volts !

A regulator controls this and keeps the voltage constant , that is why there is a difference .

Thanks Mike. I can tell there is a difference, just didn't know why. Just sharing my experience. Sometimes I am hesitant to post in forums because I don't know all of the technical issues. But I appreciate you explaining it in easy-to-understand language.

 

[salemgold]

Thanks Mike. I can tell there is a difference, just didn't know why. Just sharing my experience. Sometimes I am hesitant to post in forums because I don't know all of the technical issues. But I appreciate you explaining it in easy-to-understand language.

I never did understand your hesitation but it is starting to make a lot of sense

 

[BuzzKill]

Thanks Mike. I can tell there is a difference, just didn't know why. Just sharing my experience. Sometimes I am hesitant to post in forums because I don't know all of the technical issues. But I appreciate you explaining it in easy-to-understand language.

No problem TG , part of my job IS to explain this to people , we were the first to come out with VV and all I do is explain it LOL ! ! !!

I never expected people to understand unless they tried it , THEN you get it , not all people understand electronics and theory and that is what it comes down to so we have to explain it in laymans terms.

 

[5cardstud]

Why can't people disagree with you 5C, without having you be so condescending and smart with them? Why be so defensive when you KNOW that you are right? Evidently nobody else is allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours without being called dumb? SHEESH!

Excuse me. I reply the way I'm replied too. If I get a condescending remark I give one Back. You need to read all the posts. BTW I'm through Trying to help people with LRs because I end up making too many enemies trying to tell people. It's okay for me to take the snide little remarks but damn me if I give one

 

[Modrod.]

Do I have to start spanking people now?

 

[Wharf Rat]

Because I know so little about this stuff other than Ohm's law is true and more Amps pulled shortens batt like, what does 1.6 vs 2.3 amps do to any PCB ???? And to what extent ?

]I think what you are talking about is the IC or controller right ?[/B] higher current draw shortens the battery charge life I.E. how long it will work , Lower current = Longer charge life !
Hence higher ohm attys = Longer charge life

I've learned a lot from 5C and Mike and Switched and others, and I appreciate that. I'm not looking for arguments with anyone here, but more so parameters.

I think I've got more than the basics, but I have a need to understand. I completlly get the battery aspect. I understand more amps stress the IC (thanks Mike) and that's not good for it. I understand more amps is the difference between BB's or marbles being pushed thru a hose. I think I'm asking what size shot is too much?

My concern is about my Buzz/∞ Pros. I assume all amperage affects the IC. I'm sure 0.5A stresses the IC a lot less than 5A does. Again I'm looking for parameters and don't know if Mike or anybody can answer this. I'm pushing 1.8A with the Fusions and 2.3A with the DC. Am I loosing 5%, 20%, 50% of the life of the device?

That might not be something that is answerable, I don't know. I like the DC but it wasn't a big enough difference for me. But if there was a 1.1Ω cart that was nirvana and I had to buy batts every 3 months, it would be acceptable as long as my ∞ Pro lasts a year. Then I can get my Infinity HD, hopefully with 3D

HOpefully this makes sense

 

[GMoney]

I've learned a lot from 5C and Mike and Switched and others, and I appreciate that. I'm not looking for arguments with anyone here, but more so parameters.

I think I've got more than the basics, but I have a need to understand. I completlly get the battery aspect. I understand more amps stress the IC (thanks Mike) and that's not good for it. I understand more amps is the difference between BB's or marbles being pushed thru a hose. I think I'm asking what size shot is too much?

My concern is about my Buzz/∞ Pros. I assume all amperage affects the IC. I'm sure 0.5A stresses the IC a lot less than 5A does. Again I'm looking for parameters and don't know if Mike or anybody can answer this. I'm pushing 1.8A with the Fusions and 2.3A with the DC. Am I loosing 5%, 20%, 50% of the life of the device?

That might not be something that is answerable, I don't know. I like the DC but it wasn't a big enough difference for me. But if there was a 1.1Ω cart that was nirvana and I had to buy batts every 3 months, it would be acceptable as long as my ∞ Pro lasts a year. Then I can get my Infinity HD, hopefully with 3D

HOpefully this makes sense

It makes perfect sense - you definitely get it!

I started to write a seventeen page dissertation on this topic for you but I stopped because I like you.

Mike will chime in I am sure because he knows the specifications of the components he used.

The short answer is you don't have to worry about your Notcigs designed and built PV because they are current limited and designed to not allow more than a certain amount of current to be drawn. (3A maybe?) This is done to protect the batteries and also the circuitry.

Electronic components are designed to operate with a range of safe use. The manufacturer will provide a max. safe operating current for the components. I am sure Mike uses chooses his cutoff current to be lower than the components he has chosen.

That said, your post was very astute, in that, even if the PV's are protected and will not operate in a range that is imminently dangerous to the batteries or the components, consistently running it right up to, albeit below, it's Max. operating current can cause reduced life expectancy for the components and batteries. As you suspected, I know of no way to predict a percentage.

IMHO as a general rule for this type of device, consistently running at 3A isn't good, while consistently running below 2A is good ... and I bet I didn't help you at all.

 

[5cardstud]

I don't believe you are with The Pros Wharf but that's just my belief not a fact I would put money on.
My experience with the Buzz Pro was that it protects it'self from damage by throttling back and setting it right. I run them up high during the testing and it seem to throttle down to a very nice vape. Again though this is just my feeling on it. Would I feel okay to use LRs on the Buzz or Infinity pros? No because I wouldn't want to take that chance after seeing how it treated my batteries that worked perfectly fine with regular cartos. I am very interested in the DCs that are not in the LR range though. As many have stated to spread the heating surface over a larger area makes allot of sense to me.

G$ already posted while I was answering and did such a better job of it.
Kodos G$.

 

[Wharf Rat]

Two great posts guys, thanks. G, I'd read ALL 17 pages. These last 10 months, I've learned more about electrical engineering ? and physics than my previous 53 years !!! It just never mattered in my life before.

5C the ∞ Pro does the same thing. I'm glad I have a great engineer building my devices

Mike is there any way to put fiber optics in there somehow. It would be cool to say Ya, my VV has fiber optics in it. I read somewhere in this thread you're making an HD with 3D version, maybe in there

 

[5cardstud]

Two great posts guys, thanks. G, I'd read ALL 17 pages. These last 10 months, I've learned more about electrical engineering ? and physics than my previous 53 years !!! It just never mattered in my life before.

5C the ∞ Pro does the same thing. I'm glad I have a great engineer building my devices

Mike is there any way to put fiber optics in there somehow. It would be cool to say Ya, my VV has fiber optics in it. I read somewhere in this thread you're making an HD with 3D version, maybe in there

I know Wharf I got one today. We could take the fibers that transmit light on those lamps and feed them off the led light into the ∞ on the side.

I'm glad I have a great engineer building my devices

At an affordable price, that last, that take a beating and keep working, and last but not least has customer service behind them that's better than anyones. Oh and the best bunch of Buzz Army/Infinity Infantry members on ECF.

 

[moorea]

It does SAlem ! it DOES ! , they now have 2.0 and 2.5 ohm , I talked to Smoketech last night and they will make them any resistance I want , I am going to do some tests and decide on a resistance then STOCK THEM for you guys and gals .

I think you should stock some sort of tank. I got my DC's several days ago, tried them once and did not like them (of course I did not try them on a buzz just on my Tornadoe) but I am really liking the Stormy Tanks I got and can't wait to try them on my Buzz Pro! I got the replacements in different ohms to see which ohm I like best with my Buzz. There is something about filler that just annoys me. It is probably just a mental thing, but it was much easier to just dump my liquid into the tank rather then drip into the filler wait for it to asorb and drip again and repeat until done! I also like seeing my liquid free to swirl around the tank and be able to roll it over the wicks! I know I am strange!

But if you carried a tank system (preferably one that you do not need to use a syringe) then you would almost be my one stop shop for all my PV needs! Don't think I can bail on my juice vendor as I am really enjoying all the new flavors I am trying from them. But it would be nice to get everything else, device, batteries, attys charger etc from one place!

 

[BuzzKill]

I think you should stock some sort of tank. I got my DC's several days ago, tried them once and did not like them (of course I did not try them on a buzz just on my Tornadoe) but I am really liking the Stormy Tanks I got and can't wait to try them on my Buzz Pro! I got the replacements in different ohms to see which ohm I like best with my Buzz. There is something about filler that just annoys me. It is probably just a mental thing, but it was much easier to just dump my liquid into the tank rather then drip into the filler wait for it to asorb and drip again and repeat until done! I also like seeing my liquid free to swirl around the tank and be able to roll it over the wicks! I know I am strange!

But if you carried a tank system (preferably one that you do not need to use a syringe) then you would almost be my one stop shop for all my PV needs! Don't think I can bail on my juice vendor as I am really enjoying all the new flavors I am trying from them. But it would be nice to get everything else, device, batteries, attys charger etc from one place!

I agree on the cartos , I use a ce2r4 carto ( no filler ) and run it like an atty , they last me 1-2 weeks !!! thats good for me trust me ! .

I do have a design for a replaceable coil tank system BUT I have to finish the VVPV , Buzz , Infinity PRO's FIRST !!!!!

 

[5cardstud]

I think you should stock some sort of tank. I got my DC's several days ago, tried them once and did not like them (of course I did not try them on a buzz just on my Tornadoe) but I am really liking the Stormy Tanks I got and can't wait to try them on my Buzz Pro! I got the replacements in different ohms to see which ohm I like best with my Buzz. There is something about filler that just annoys me. It is probably just a mental thing, but it was much easier to just dump my liquid into the tank rather then drip into the filler wait for it to asorb and drip again and repeat until done! I also like seeing my liquid free to swirl around the tank and be able to roll it over the wicks! I know I am strange!

But if you carried a tank system (preferably one that you do not need to use a syringe) then you would almost be my one stop shop for all my PV needs! Don't think I can bail on my juice vendor as I am really enjoying all the new flavors I am trying from them. But it would be nice to get everything else, device, batteries, attys charger etc from one place!

I agree with the filler giving it something that don't sound quite right and the idea of tanks without filler sounds safer. If they could just come out with one that didn't make the taste get weaker. I fill my MAP tank by backing the E2 up just enough to pour it in then push it back in place.

I think these DCs he's getting will be good in the resistance he's getting them in.. The idea of spreading out the heating surface makes sense and it does work. It's just the LR I'm against but that's just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

 

[BuzzKill]

Well IMO one long coil would do the same thing and you would have to use a heavy gauge wire to make it so it would NOT burn out ! I am tossing ideas around again DAMN ! TURN IT OFF !! ( the brain thing that is LOL )

 

[5cardstud]

Well IMO one long coil would do the same thing and you would have to use a heavy gauge wire to make it so it would NOT burn out ! I am tossing ideas around again DAMN ! TURN IT OFF !! ( the brain thing that is LOL )

I know but at least it's during the daytime. My brain does that when it's time to sleep. Then no sleep until it's finished. My late S.O. said I used to have my hands reaching into the air building something in my sleep. She would wake me up and say will you get than thing done or finish it tomorrow.

 

[BuzzKill]

I know but at least it's during the daytime. My brain does that when it's time to sleep. Then no sleep until it's finished. My late S.O. said I used to have my hands reaching into the air building something in my sleep. She would wake me up and say will you get than thing done or finish it tomorrow.

Most of my inventions come to my while I am laying in bed ! I would say that 6 of the 10 or so patents I have came to me that way ( then I have to get up and design the damn thing LOL ! )

 

[5cardstud]

Most of my inventions come to my while I am laying in bed ! I would say that 6 of the 10 or so patents I have came to me that way ( then I have to get up and design the damn thing LOL ! )

By then your so tired it's hard to do anything. When I was young I could sleep anywhere anytime. The bliss of being young and dumb and full of whatever.

 

[El Dee]

I feel that Brutherr....Now I'm old....still dumb and full of sheet....

Buzzkilla....The greatest ideas always seem too come in the wee hours...Scheming...that's what I call it...and I'm a schemer...The master plan is coming together nicely too....

You know I've got a couple of awesome PVs and some half ... equipment too screw on top of them...Cartos can't deliver like an atty does...No way Jose`...Every dang time I speak of the Joye the damn thing blows up...2 for 2,,,so don't expect me too be lauding their virtues again...Believe me I know dripping is rather inconvenient and a carto is easier too run...They still suck when compared...

Now about those PVs....Back in my GG days I devoloped a callus on my ring finger from triggering that baby...2 weeks back my index finger started too become numb from triggering my "other mod"...Nice cushy button but DAYEMMMMM!!!..I laid it down and took the carto off the Pro...My finger is returning too normal...Thank you baby Jesus!!!!!!!!!!! That little yellow button is likely the best in the business...

The DCs Salem sent me work just fine @ 3.8...I'm kicking it with a 3.0 Boge today @ 4.3 and though not enjoying atty like performance it does work...The Buzz Pro continues too perform like the champion that it is...I look forward too the Insane-O-Miser...Now that will be a combo!!!!

 

[5cardstud]

That's great LD, I'm happy for you buddy.

 

[BuzzKill]

Right On El Dee ! Happy fathers day BTW ALL !!