BWB in UFS - not a good experience

[JollyRogers]

I have been vaping my UFS/GGTS since I got them back in the spring. Now for a long time I was vaping Liberty Flights PG tobacs (usually highway) with a LR Joye or . Never had any issues with atomizers or anything. Vaped wonderfully and my atomizers where lasting about a month. I also have vaped over 30ml of COV's Black & Tan (great dry, no sweetness tobac BTW that is 100% vg) and no problems. However, LF stock in the mg I vape now, is always out and the 100% vg dries me out quick...

So I heard so much about BWB and bought 120ml of it. Now the problems. It vapes OK and the taste is great. However, I noticed something quickly. The liquids (all of them) get super dark and have sediment and crap in them when used in the UFS. Also, the atomizers are quickly not performing. Either flooding or to dry. It's like the flavoring is crudding my atos up. I understand what is happening though... The liquid is washing over the coil and whatever is crudding up (I am guessing the flavoring) is washing back into my tank. I think. Just the first time experiencing this since using my UFS is all. Has anyone else experienced this with BWB?

I mean the Backo is a clear gold going into my UFS with a brand new atomizer. Down to half a tank and its a dark honey color! The 555 starts off dark, and by a half a tank, its black. YUCK!

I guess I am back to my old juice asap. I have a lot of BWB to vape in the meantime. Guess I could keep it around for dripping, as I do really like all the flavors I got.

In the meantime. Can someone maybe suggest a liquid that works well with the UFS? I love the stuff from LF, but stock has been an issue. (Hmmm, just checked them and they have DV tobac flavors up now, but still no Highway in my mg!) I am not a VG user. And I don't like seeing the liquids turn black like this. I can't empty it back into a bottle, and it sucks dumping it.

 

[keduco]

I too have the same problem with BWB tobacco flavors. I have been using BWB for about a year. Even in carto style tanks the darkening happens. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it has to do with the fact that BWB uses natural tobacco extracts for their tobacco flavoring. It tastes great but gunks up attys fast... In the UFS it seems as though it back washes into the tank. Upon every refill, I have been taking out my Atty and giving it a good blow out. Seems to help a bit. Some other tobacco flavors that I use don't do this, but they do not use natural extracts for the flavoring. I'm interested to see what others say as well.

 

[imeothanasis]

Are there liquids that use natural tobacco extracts?????

 

[keduco]

There are a handful of vendors that claim to use tobacco extracts as flavoring... I'm not 100% sure if BWB does this, but it does taste like they do. Hopefully someone with first hand knowledge will chime in.

 

[silentt]

Vaperite, along with Tasty Vapor, Vermont Vapor, want2vape and Backwoods Brew, is one of the pioneers of the natural tobacco extract juice. Newcomers have shown up in the last year, but to my knowledge these five vendors were the first to start offering natural tobacco juices to vapers.

Some research found out they do use natural tobacco extracts

 

[Torqueguy]

They clog up cartos too. BWB is great juice but in my opinion, only for bottom feeders or dripping. They leave a sugary residue that sticks to the coils

 

[JollyRogers]

That may explain it I guess. I did not realize that BWB was tobacco extract, and also found references to it using google. If that is the case, I am not sure what to do. I have 90ml of BWB left to vape still. I mean, it is good, but changing colors on me tells me something, and kind of turns me off from vaping it. It seems to be killing my atomizers to boot. I would think that being a natural tobacco extract would be a good thing, however, I just placed an order for 120ml of other tobac liquids from a different vendor. Thanks for the input!

 

[silentt]

If I liked BWB I would offer to buy some off you. I have honey beez 24mg in every single PV I have and can't get enough of it. I vape honey beez like it's oxygen

 

[keduco]

Jolly,
What level nic is your BWB.

 

[Major]

Torque is dead on with this. The sweetener carmalizes (fancey word for crudding up the coil in my book) with many juices. My favorite Atomic Cinnacide from Tasty Vapor or any of their juices really, use a sweetener they claim is natural and as we all know, sugar does burn black.

If I use the same atty or carto in a tank with my AC, I start getting that you describe. So I just avoid that by using it in non-tank scenarios with some of my 3ml and larger cartos. I am not thinking there is any harm with it but the crud tastes like crap, it looks like crap and it shouldn't be floating around in my tanks.

Well that's my take on it and I can either use it as stated in other ways or find another juice but my 2 main are the AC and DK-Tab. I have never seen the DK-Tab crud up like that so it will likely be my primary UFS juice in about 2 weeks!

 

[imeothanasis]

Guys, 1 min please.

I thought 1 year ago to make a juice with tobacco extracts but if I would do it then what are the benefits from vaping? Will we start again smoking? Thats crazy and silly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cigs have inside carginogenic materials, dangerous heavy metals, radioactive meterials, etc. Is this the new style of vaping? I am socked!!

 

[JollyRogers]

My BWB are all 30ml @12mg (Applewood - 2ml, 555 full, and bacco - 3ml left).

Imeo, I think the advantage is maybe taste. But I believe it ends there. I am using it for dripping only now with this juice on my Stealth (510 - itsa 510 darn it!!!) and my alu GGTS (901) and it is playing havoc with my atomizers. I like it enough to vape, but not to buy again. I tried it in a CE2 carto and it was awesome in that... but that is at home only. I don't take those cartos out of the house because of leaking etc. Plus I have no problem filling a CE2, vaping it, and then throwing it away or cleaning it. Cleaning an atomizer is a pita and a crap shoot.

I never had problems 555's etc from "china" & I ordered some more yesterday from a certain vendor along with some UK tobac flavors to see results there.

 

[imeothanasis]

of course Zu. Because then I cant find a reason at all to vape. I can go to buy some marlboro again!

Its the most redicolous thing I have even heard. And I am really ungry right now And its a shame if this really happens

 

[inquisitorj]

I think it is a reaction of the juice to heat since it is right next to the atomizer. You know how juices will slowly turn darker as they sit? It just happens faster in the UFS. It happens more with VG than PG. My GF and I vape only 100% VG juice (she has a PG sensativity). Every tank is darker at the end with all my juices, but I have never tried BWB. I think the reason the reaction is so fast is part due to the VG and mostly from their flavoring. I really do not think that it is washing back into the tank. The design of the UFS should make it so that any juice that comes back out goes into the catch tank.

 

[Dalton63841]

I think it is a reaction of the juice to heat since it is right next to the atomizer. You know how juices will slowly turn darker as they sit? It just happens faster in the UFS. It happens more with VG than PG. My GF and I vape only 100% VG juice (she has a PG sensativity). Every tank is darker at the end with all my juices, but I have never tried BWB. I think the reason the reaction is so fast is part due to the VG and mostly from their flavoring. I really do not think that it is washing back into the tank. The design of the UFS should make it so that any juice that comes back out goes into the catch tank.

That is what I was thinking... If I am correct in my thinking, the atomizer is basically bathing in the e-liquid. This of course causes the e-liquid to act as coolant for the atomizer, pulling the heat off of it when it gets hot.

 

[inquisitorj]

That is what I was thinking... If I am correct in my thinking, the atomizer is basically bathing in the e-liquid. This of course causes the e-liquid to act as coolant for the atomizer, pulling the heat off of it when it gets hot.

Exactly! And VG is much more reactive to heat than PG. I have to imagine that it is the flavorings that is causing it to happen so fast with the BWB juice.

 

[fright88]

I think it may be a heat thing too. Here is a test you can do. Put a little I'n a bottle put the bottle in boiling water. I did this with my juices and most get darker.

 

[JollyRogers]

I agree to a point about it getting darker... However, I have seen actual sediment in it.

Also. Since switching to direct dripping yesterday with just BWB 555... It is draining through the atomizer, and yep gunky and dark.

I believe it is washing the atomizer somewhat when in the UFS. I usually barely run with air control open - usually 1/8 of a turn, and liquid control 1/8 -1/4 (pg/vg mix). I believe that because a vacuum is created when I inhale, it pulls in some liquid to the atomizer, but then the vacuum pulls some of it back into the tank. Hence why I have seen actual sediment with BWB, not just getting dark. This, I don't like.

Regardless, switching back to my old juice. I had no problems with it, stayed clear and clean in my UFS and atomizers lasted a month. I love it and I love my UFS... so going back to MY combo that worked for me.

 

[inquisitorj]

I hadn't thought about the vacuum issue. It does make sense that at least some juice would get sucked back into the tank from the atty. Must just be something "special" about BWB juices that cause sediment.

 

[JollyRogers]

In the meantime, while waiting on my order of liquid and some atomizers, I have resorted to my SS A-2 on the Stealth. Also, since I have a bunch of standard & XL size CE2s in boxes in a drawer, I decide to try one in my UFS. I got the standard size working in the UFS and it actually is working fairly decent.