CALLING OUT ALL MECH MOD MANUFACTURERS

[beckdg]

If you want to take additional unwarranted risks, be my guest. You are an adult. Its your risk.

People are currently dieing due to this outlook.

Truckers are going through what is being asked here.

The results:

More trucks with more safety bandaids.

Companies getting cookie points on their safety scores for using these bandaids despite how dangerous their drivers are and how many accidents they have per mile/truck/driver.

Companies that should be shut down for being dangerous on the road will be able to install "features" in their fleet and continue employing dangerous drivers and clueless rookie drivers.

Much translates from one to the other. Make it "safer" and what you get is a better idiot at the wheel.

Ninja, I and countless others aren't taking more risk by not idiot proofing our gear. We're taking LESS RISK by choosing not to be uneducated idiots.

Holes in the mods... anywhere... don't prevent thermal runaway and off gassing 2500 degree F gasses whether it be to your face... or if you drill holes... in your hand.

Knowledge does that.

Without knowledge and care... your risk of 3rd degree burns regardless of proper ventilation remains the same. Only difference is likely location.

But of course, there's always going to be those concerned individuals that would rather be doing 80mph legally down the highway, change lanes and suddenly have to drop to 55mph within a car length because of the truck that's speed limited thanks to their voicing their superior knowledge and concern for safety.



Tapatyped

 

[Bad Ninja]

People are currently dieing due to this outlook.

Truckers are going through what is being asked here.

The results:

More trucks with more safety bandaids.

Companies getting cookie points on their safety scores for using these bandaids despite how dangerous their drivers are and how many accidents they have per mile/truck/driver.

Companies that should be shut down for being dangerous on the road will be able to install "features" in their fleet and continue employing dangerous drivers and clueless rookie drivers.

Much translates from one to the other. Make it "safer" and what you get is a better idiot at the wheel.

Ninja, I and countless others aren't taking more risk by not idiot proofing our gear. We're taking LESS RISK by choosing not to be uneducated idiots.

Holes in the mods... anywhere... don't prevent thermal runaway and off gassing 2500 degree F gasses whether it be to your face... or if you drill holes... in your hand.

Knowledge does that.

Without knowledge and care... your risk of 3rd degree burns regardless of proper ventilation remains the same. Only difference is likely location.

But of course, there's always going to be those concerned individuals that would rather be doing 80mph legally down the highway, change lanes and suddenly have to drop to 55mph within a car length because of the truck that's speed limited thanks to their voicing their superior knowledge and concern for safety.



Tapatyped

What is dangerous for you isnt Necessarily dangerous for me.

We do not have the same limitations.

My choices should not be limited by someone elses lack of knowledge.


Education is the ONLY logical answer.



Most people here calling for industry wide chages in mech mod design arent able to safely use a mech.

Knowing your own limitations is the best way to stay safe.

Just dont assume you know everyone elses.

 

[Eitje]

Baditude I love your articles, blogs and random remarks and replies. I value your opinion and learned a lot of you when I was new to the 'scene'.
But did you have to use my all time favorite mech (Gus Lord) as an example ??... You broke my heart ...

Great piece again !

 

[Baditude]

But did you have to use my all time favorite mech (Gus Lord) as an example ??... You broke my heart ...

Thanks for the compliments.

I didn't mean to pick on Gus Lord mech owners. Someone had recently made an inquiry on the forum should they drill upper vent holes in their newly purchased Gus mod. I asked how much room was there surrounding the battery in the tube, and another owner was kind enough to take a pic of a battery inside his Gus. I use that pic now to demonstrate that just because a mod has a bottom vent hole it doesn't mean it has adequate ventilation.

 

[Baditude]

How do you plan to make me safer?
At all? Let alone a lot more safe?

I don't plan anything for you. I assume that by being an advanced vaper that you are practicing safe vaping/battery habits.

However, should manufacturers voluntarily choose to implement better ventilation for their products, wouldn't you also gain from that in some small way? The greater good for the entire vaping community. I never liked seat belts, but I use them because experts say that using them saves lives and helps prevent serious injuries.

 

[beckdg]

I don't plan anything for you. I assume that by being an advanced vaper that you are practicing safe vaping/battery habits.

However, should manufacturers voluntarily choose to implement better ventilation for their products, wouldn't you also gain from that in some small way? The greater good for the entire vaping community. I never liked seat belts, but I use them because experts say that using them saves lives and helps prevent serious injuries.

Nope.

Not at all.

I have enough supplies to last me several life times aside from one item I'm still stocking up on and may eliminate from my juice altogether.

And have enough spares for my entire family... and their unborn grandchildren.

I stand to gain no benefit at all.

Though, I would like others to benefit from the option of your proposal.

Just don't want some happy go lucky (miserable, meddling) genius to come across something like this and start lobbying.

We have enough against us.

And yes, I'm full aware of the other side of the argument and I think it's r̶i̶d̶i̶c̶u̶l̶o̶u̶s̶ e̶m̶b̶a̶r̶r̶a̶s̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ insulting considering the dangers people face every day that aren't getting regulated. Compared to most everyday household items, vaping... in any form isn't a blip on the safety concern radar.

Tapatyped

 

[Baditude]

I would like others to benefit from the option of your proposal.

Best thing you've ever said.

 

[beckdg]

Best thing you've ever said.

Best thing you've ever said.

(I dabble in vanity also.)

Tapatyped

 

[Completely Average]

Does it really matter anymore? They're all going to be forced out of business by the FDA by the end of the summer anyways.

 

[Baditude]

Does it really matter anymore? They're all going to be forced out of business by the FDA by the end of the summer anyways.

There are already lawsuits in place to block the upcoming FDA regulations. NJoy was successful in 2007 blocking the first FDA ruling and subsequent ban. It could again be years before any regulations stick (fingers crossed).

 

[Eitje]

Does it really matter anymore? They're all going to be forced out of business by the FDA by the end of the summer anyways.

Might come as a shock to you but the world stretches beyond the reach of the FDA. So no not all are going out of business, fast majority the FDA don't got a thing on luckily.

 

[tj99959]

I seem to remember a lot of ego's blowing up. Mechanicals have no monopoly on stupidity or carelessness.

I could agree on the added safety of regulated PVs except for the race for MORE POWER.
The solution to venting mechanicals is & always will be DON'T MAKE THEM VENT.

A battery will not vent unless YOU make it vent!
Bad, I hate to say this but, it wasn't me that left that BB where it could auto-fire.
Those things only happen when we become careless or do something stupid.
Under those circumstances, both the mod & the battery performed exactly as intended. (that's the part that most don't understand)

 

[beckdg]

I seem to remember a lot of ego's blowing up. Mechanicals have no monopoly on stupidity or carelessness.

THE ELEPHANT!!

SOMEBODY SEES IT IN THE ROOM.

IT'S A MIRACLE!!!!

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Might come as a shock to you but the world stretches beyond the reach of the FDA. So no not all are going out of business, fast majority the FDA don't got a thing on luckily.

LOL



Tapatyped

 

[englishmick]

Just don't want some happy go lucky (miserable, meddling) genius to come across something like this and start lobbying.


Tapatyped

Dear Mr Beck

I regret to inform you that you have been identified as a person potentially in violation under Subsection 17b of the Safe Vaping Act of 2019. Please call and schedule an appointment for me to come round with my drill and bring your equipment into compliance. At that time I will also take the opportunity to show you the proper way to vape, so that you can become certified as a Permitted Vaper under Section 3 of the Act.

And I must remind you, again, that assaulting a Government Official is something we take very seriously.

yours sincerely - the Government

 

[440BB]

I believe elephants venting out the bottom is currently accepted as relatively safe. Until the FDA deems otherwise, that is.

 

[Lessifer]

I believe elephants venting out the bottom is currently accepted as relatively safe. Until the FDA deems otherwise, that is.

EPA... Methane

 

[tj99959]

EPA... Methane

I'm just wondering what the EPA is going to do about all those empty non-refillable cartridges laying on the ground.
You know ..... those ones that will only take 20 million years to disintegrate.

 

[bnrkwest]

I don't use mech mods, my closest is a couple GLV mini's that I have. I think it would help to have some info on mec's tho so use can be explained about possible accidents and only use this type battery, only so low of ohm's.
For example I just bought batteries from Provape and they have a warning about storing and not putting with metal or change. We have gotten so used to lithium batteries in everything that people forget the risks. JMO
I even had a cig alike vent once, nothing major but it sizzled and smoked, but since it was small no major problem.

 

[Rule62]

I seem to remember a lot of ego's blowing up. Mechanicals have no monopoly on stupidity or carelessness.

They did, occasionally. Often it was due to faulty chargers, and being left unattended while charging.
But, the failures are a lot more violent with the 2500-3000mAh batteries we use today, than a 600-900mAh ego.