CALLING OUT ALL MECH MOD MANUFACTURERS
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Mech mods aren't really the issue, in my opinion - the batteries are.
Some lithium batteries are safer than others. For example, ICR batteries have higher capacity than IMR batteries, but they can't handle high loads. When shorted or stressed, they have a tendency to shoot flames or blow up.
Don't use ICR batteries. Use IMR instead. IMR batteries have a safer chemistry, support higher loads, and don't fail nearly as spectacularly as ICRs.
If you're not sure what it is, don't use it for vaping. There are a lot of counterfeit batteries out there - know what you're buying and who's selling it. It's too easy to take a cheap 5-amp battery, throw a new wrap on it, and sell it for more.
At least half of these "exploding ecigs" are caused by bad chargers or accidental short circuits. Idiots carry around the cheapest spare batteries in their pockets with their car keys and loose change, and then wonder why their pants caught on fire.
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Some lithium batteries are safer than others. For example, ICR batteries have higher capacity than IMR batteries, but they can't handle high loads. When shorted or stressed, they have a tendency to shoot flames or blow up.
Don't use ICR batteries. Use IMR instead. IMR batteries have a safer chemistry, support higher loads, and don't fail nearly as spectacularly as ICRs.
If you're not sure what it is, don't use it for vaping. There are a lot of counterfeit batteries out there - know what you're buying and who's selling it. It's too easy to take a cheap 5-amp battery, throw a new wrap on it, and sell it for more.
At least half of these "exploding ecigs" are caused by bad chargers or accidental short circuits. Idiots carry around the cheapest spare batteries in their pockets with their car keys and loose change, and then wonder why their pants caught on fire.
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1. Pressure is why a pipe bomb is so violent.
2. Metallurgy. Google is your friend.
3. Thread size may slow it down a few seconds, but its inevitable.
4. Holes are a precaution.
Education is the only solution.
We need vapers to start thinking for themselves.
Its not the mods.
Its not the batteries.
Its uneducated vapers trying to be cool, using gear they do not understand.
They ignore warnings, and carelessly jump into the deep end and get hurt.
Education.
Critical thinking.
Deductive reasoning.
Common sense.
Without them, using a mech is foolish.
I know exactly how a bomb works (I am an ex forces weapons engineer not some terrorist I got to play with some really big and expensive rockets)
If you allow more pressure to build up for longer before release, the release will be more explosive.
In an ideal world all mech users would be educated, they would all buy decent batteries from good suppliers, they would all build at a reasonable level, take care when they select a mod and topper combo etc etc.
Its not an ideal world. Its not going to happen. Ever. Put simply everyone (yes even you and me) screws up sometimes.
Safer designs could limit the potential personal injury, In my view that's a good thing. We don't need any more people hurt, we don't need the bad press either.
Then you realize stronger threads would only delay the inevitable and possibly make it worse.
Expecting adults to think before using mechanical gear they dont understand to get their fix is not unreasonable.
I never argued that stronger threads would improve safety.
That would make a bad situation worse.
The goal is to stop pressure building up inside the mod well before it builds up enough to explode.
It's an avoidable risk.
It is reasonable to expect adults to think before using a mech.
Its also reasonable to expect manufacturers to take steps to make things safer in general.
That would make a bad situation worse.
The goal is to stop pressure building up inside the mod well before it builds up enough to explode.
It's an avoidable risk.
It is reasonable to expect adults to think before using a mech.
Its also reasonable to expect manufacturers to take steps to make things safer in general.
Mechs will never be safe for the type of person that you see in every single news story.
They are inherently dangerous. Thats why they are for advanced users only.
That said, there are options available like the AR mod that has an open "cage" design, that eliminates any pressure in the event of a battery venting.
Again, the user needs to be educated enough to realize this ..... Thats where the advanced user part becomes important.
Mechs will never be safe for the type of person that you see in every single news story.
They are inherently dangerous. Thats why they are for advanced users only.
That said, there are options available like the AR mod that has an open "cage" design, that eliminates any pressure in the event of a battery venting.
Again, the user needs to be educated enough to realize this ..... Thats where the advanced user part becomes important.
I think its important to step back and consider the facts.
Most of the exploding mod incidents involve young males, not known for their ability to accurately assess risk. Look at automobile accident rates and you will see what I mean. No doubt some of these people are stupid, but most just have not learnt to assess the risk level and act appropriately. It's a skill that comes with age.
The other factor in most case's is an unintentional hard short, often down to user error.
MOST of the explosions could be avoided by using a mod with a fuse, and or proper ventilation.
MOST of the mods available don't use these options.
These mods are on general sale, they are always going to fall into the hands of those who are as yet unable to way up the risks.
So do we attempt to educate every young buck on the planet, or do we try and get manufacturers to produce inherently safer mods?
Every time somebody gets hurt it's another nail in the coffin for vaping.
From my point of view advanced users should be pushing for safer equipment. Otherwise we are handing control of the situation to those who want to ban vaping.
We can't keep all of the people safe all of the time, but we can keep more of the people safer more of the time.
Take the intelligence level of the average person you meet on the street, and then remember: Half the population is BELOW that.
If adults were capable of thinking we wouldn't need warning labels on electric hair dryers telling you not to use it in the shower, would we? If you're expecting adults to think, you're expecting too much from them. The majority of them are idiots.
Speak only for yourself.
I think we should remove all warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.
Natural selection.
Exchange the term "mech mod" for "chainsaw" and see how ridiculous some of these posts are.
Some things just arent safe for everyone.
If you want to live in a safe padded cell be my guest.
Ill pass.
One of these statements is true.
The super intelligent are typically allowed to roam free.
They raise the average immensely with very few of them.
Their counterparts on the other hand, are typically hermits and/or bound to 4 walls.
What you see on the streets is a good deal above the average... and yet, your majority statement may still ring true.
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The problem is, I could all into a Home Depot today, and purchase all kinds of things that have the potential to hurt me, or others; chain saws, extension ladders, lawn mowers, nail guns, barbecue grills, pressure washers, welding machines, etc. I'd be willing to bet, not a single person will come forward, before making my purchases, and ask me if I know how to use any of this stuff correctly. Why would we expect e-cig retailers to be any different?
The point is, it would be impossible to create a world where everything in it is safe for everybody. Government can't do it, and neither can private industry. It doesn't matter if it's e-cigs or chainsaws. In the wrong hands, things are dangerous. Plus, we won't rid the world of people who will do dangerous things, even after being forewarned. There was always the kid who would stick his finger in the light socket, to see what it felt like. There will always be the guy who will put an apple on his head, so his buddy can shoot it off, and there will always be the guy who will screw a tank with a flush 510 pin onto a faux hybrid mechanical mod.
This was my original intent of making this thread. As an advanced user I am pushing for safer equipment for ALL USERS. It wouldn't add significantly to the manufacturer's costs to add a couple more strategically placed holes in the upper end of their product, but doing so would significantly lower the risks of a simple battery venting to cause an explosion.
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based on a strictly cost-benefit analysis I don't see why we as a community shouldn't be pushing for safer products.
On a side note, anyone in here familiar with the Atto mod?
On a side note, anyone in here familiar with the Atto mod?
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