Can anyone help me refute this?

[Jonesey]

I have an acquaintance who is a rabid anti-smoker, who every time I've seen her over the last five years has been lecturing me to quit the cigs. I ran into her this week and I thought she would be happy that I've switched to e-cigs, but apparently not. Instead I got a lecture on how e-cigs are just as bad and she even brought up that stupid Greece report (how did she know about it?). So today she sent me an email about the dangers of using e-cigarettes and also with a link to this article;

http://www.ucanquit2.org/facts/ECigarettesVapor.aspx

And I've followed it to this article;

http://www.ucanquit2.org/media/dod/pdf/ecigs_and_lipoid_pnuemonia.pdf

I'm sorry if this has been posted before - is this old news? And does anyone have any further information on how to answer such an email? The second article does list the patient's other numerous conditions including asthma and extensive medications, plus it says (I do NOT understand) that vegetable glycerin can be made from animal fat??? FTR I do use VG juice as I'm sensitive to the PG so it has freaked me out a bit. I've also wondered a bit at how I've coughed up very little gunk since I've switched to vaping, but have just recently (tonight in fact) attributed it to the humecant factor. Nothing I want this pseudo friend to know. I would like to come across as succinct and knowledgeable - if that's at all possible.

Thanks in advance.

 

[ChristineNewbie]

I am a med student. I am also a patient. My doctor is THRILLED with my choice to give up cigarettes and vape. My body is also happy with me. I am overweight to begin with, and the threat of weight gain from quitting smoking is enough to negate any possible, as yet unknown risks. Dr Oz also suggests that vaping is much more healthy than smoking. Sometimes, people tend to fear that which they do not know. Just think...wonder who was the first guy to eat an octopus? Was he scared? probably. But we wouldn't have calimari without it

 

[Susaz]

It might be true but there are worse things than lipoid pneumonia. We inhale thousands of toxics each day everywhere... The moist vape triggers my asthma, but it's better than tobacco every time!

 

[elmattias]

I have an acquaintance who is a rabid anti-smoker, who every time I've seen her over the last five years has been lecturing me to quit the cigs. I ran into her this week and I thought she would be happy that I've switched to e-cigs, but apparently not. Instead I got a lecture on how e-cigs are just as bad and she even brought up that stupid Greece report (how did she know about it?). So today she sent me an email about the dangers of using e-cigarettes and also with a link to this article;

http://www.ucanquit2.org/facts/ECigarettesVapor.aspx



And I've followed it to this article;

http://www.ucanquit2.org/media/dod/pdf/ecigs_and_lipoid_pnuemonia.pdf

I'm sorry if this has been posted before - is this old news? And does anyone have any further information on how to answer such an email? The second article does list the patient's other numerous conditions including asthma and extensive medications, plus it says (I do NOT understand) that vegetable glycerin can be made from animal fat??? FTR I do use VG juice as I'm sensitive to the PG so it has freaked me out a bit. I've also wondered a bit at how I've coughed up very little gunk since I've switched to vaping, but have just recently (tonight in fact) attributed it to the humecant factor. Nothing I want this pseudo friend to know. I would like to come across as succinct and knowledgeable - if that's at all possible.

Thanks in advance.

yes, VG can be made with animal fats, however, most of what you find in your local pharmacies (including walmart, who has the cheapest VG of all) are pharmaceutical grade, 100% VG, made from plant proteins ONLY, and you can bet that the vendors you use are using the right stuff...especially places like alien visions that make all 100% organic VG juices.

as for these health reports, most of them are produced by big pharmaceuticals that wish to ban ecigs...the lady with pneumonia in the story probably had a few issues going on, many of the conditions in that case could have been due to not getting enough fluids, in addition, she could have been using tainted VG, had an allergy to PG and not known about it...as well as other cases...i just don't believe they are going into enough detail with these articles, and furthermore, only giving one side of the story....as for your ANTZ friend, i'd recommend taking up the stance that has worked for me: ignore ignorance.

 

[TheVap3Junkie]

This is just a classic example of misinformation. Most, if not all of us vapers will agree that we feel 100% better than we did when we were smokers. Its important to realize that inhaling anything into your lungs will cause some amount of temporary airway restriction this includes dust, pollen, and the smoggy goodness of metropolitan areas. Its important to realize that it as about harm reduction. Seatbelts and Airbags are put into cars to make them safer and to reduce the amount injuries and deaths. Tobacco harm reduction is the same thing.

 

[elmattias]

oh and one other thing, give this to your friends...its a good read:

http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_Poster.pdf

and this is the full article:

http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_ItaEng.pdf

 

[imevh2]

Much like political posts, there are as many opinions for one as for the other. The undisputable facts are the lack of carcinogens and chemicals that tobacco is treated with. With a little research on the web, you can dispute the claims to vaping but an intelligent person is going to have to realize that vaping is far and away a healthier solution than cigarettes.

 

[vsummer1]

Sorry to say this, but if an acquaintance had the gall to to spam me with complete BS, they would no longer be an acquaintance but someone I would avoid like a rabid dog. Does this person drink coffee or soda? Because nicotine is a mild stimulant just like caffeine is. I don't do caffeine, but you won't catch me bothering all the caffeine addicts out there. And if this person does do caffeine, they are not only a pimple but a hypocrite as well.

I hate know-it-all doo goody people with nothing better to do than bother me about MY decisions.

 

[nobutts1]

Hi Jonesey, Hmmmm, ya know, it's so disheartening when our so called "friends, loved ones", want to negate the beautiful accomplishments we make in life.! Do you know what that is? It's ither jealousy, resentment of some kind, or plain ole insecure person of who YOU are.. A few of my beautiful friends/loved ones, look at me with disgust and say, "WELL YOU MAY AS WELL JUST SMOKE, LOOKS LIKE YOU HIT THAT THING CONSTANTLY', and I say 'YUP, I SURE DO AND LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF MY DREAM COME TRUE"! I am a smoker that doesnt smoke! and to furthur aggravate them I say, "and I will vape until the day I die, so shut it! It's just lack of knowledge for them, don't worry about it, who cares! Happy Vaping Jonesey! See you around the best site on earth!

 

[vsummer1]

Oh, and BTW, WELCOME TO ECF!

And congratulations on stopping smoking cigarettes. You can get all the support you need here

 

[s14sher]

I am a med student. I am also a patient. My doctor is THRILLED with my choice to give up cigarettes and vape. My body is also happy with me. I am overweight to begin with, and the threat of weight gain from quitting smoking is enough to negate any possible, as yet unknown risks. Dr Oz also suggests that vaping is much more healthy than smoking. Sometimes, people tend to fear that which they do not know. Just think...wonder who was the first guy to eat an octopus? Was he scared? probably. But we wouldn't have calimari without it

Eww. Bad example
But yeah, you are absolutely right. My doctor is also thrilled that I've taken up vaping. She had lots of questions for me about it and has been taking notes and doing her own reading up on it.

 

[LucidAce]

In addition to some of the other resources listed here, be sure to check out casaa.org as they have many useful resources on the safety of electronic cigarettes (and smokeless tobacco, for that matter). One of my personal favorites is this presentation given this year at a conference on smoking cessation in the UK. The doctor delivering the presentation seems to take a very balanced, measured approach to the subject and presents many studies about the safety and effectiveness of e-cigs along the way. Be sure to follow along with the slide show below the audio controls.

 

[djtonyb]

I have an acquaintance who is a rabid anti-smoker, who every time I've seen her over the last five years has been lecturing me to quit the cigs. I ran into her this week and I thought she would be happy that I've switched to e-cigs, but apparently not. Instead I got a lecture on how e-cigs are just as bad and she even brought up that stupid Greece report (how did she know about it?). So today she sent me an email about the dangers of using e-cigarettes and also with a link to this article;

http://www.ucanquit2.org/facts/ECigarettesVapor.aspx

And I've followed it to this article;

http://www.ucanquit2.org/media/dod/pdf/ecigs_and_lipoid_pnuemonia.pdf

I'm sorry if this has been posted before - is this old news? And does anyone have any further information on how to answer such an email? The second article does list the patient's other numerous conditions including asthma and extensive medications, plus it says (I do NOT understand) that vegetable glycerin can be made from animal fat??? FTR I do use VG juice as I'm sensitive to the PG so it has freaked me out a bit. I've also wondered a bit at how I've coughed up very little gunk since I've switched to vaping, but have just recently (tonight in fact) attributed it to the humecant factor. Nothing I want this pseudo friend to know. I would like to come across as succinct and knowledgeable - if that's at all possible.

Thanks in advance.

If you read through the second article, it clearly states she was on inhalable medications, as well as being in a building that had been recently fumigated. There are a great number of people on this forum who feel that vaping has helped them to transition from cigarettes to a less harmful option. There is even this quote in the article itself: "To our knowledge, there are no prior published cases of exogenous lipoid pneumonia due to the use of glycerin-based e-cigarettes." The science is flawed, and the article is probably being planted to give ammunition to the ANTZ.

 

[Dregun]

I don't think we should be so quick to disregard that women's diagnosis. There is a very good chance that at that particular time the recent addition of using an Ecig was a fundamental contributing factor in her illness. Now the difference and what your "friend" needs to know is that the womans vaping was not the cause but merely the "trigger" for her condition. The human body is a remarkable thing and most of the time when we get sick it's because multiple things happened. Just like catching a cold, you catch them in winter more then summer because your body is using more energy keeping you warm, your nasal passages become drier and you end up spending more time indoors due to the weather. At that moment, in those conditions your body would not need much in it's weekend state to "catch" a cold, this woman "caught" this form of pneumonia for that same reason. If she was going straight from analogs to vapping her body was in a really weak state to begin with. Added the fact that she has asthma that restricts airways because of fluid and swelling, that prevents normal absorption and dissipation so of course she got a form of pneumonia because of the juice. She'd been exposed to so much and had so much going against her from the start; hell she might have even HAD a cold when she first started vapping.

What that article failed to do was inform of follow up care. I bet my Juice that-that woman is vapping still...without any further problems. It would be no different then going to a restaurant and ordering a seafood dish even though you know you're allergic to shell fish but this dish doesn't mention it has any in it. Yet when you eat it you end up getting an allergic reaction, would any reasonable person say "looks like I shouldn't eat Cod, Perch, Salmon, etc etc because you had an allergic reaction last time you did"? Absolutely not!!! Your reaction to shell fish is insignificant to the majority of the population who have no reaction to shell fish, including the "reasonable person". Also it wasn't the "Cod, Perch etc" that triggered the reaction it was the fish stock made with shell fish unknowingly in the dish.

Bottom line is in 2 very strong and growing years of people vapping this is the first known case of anything that can be linked as a contributing factor to any kind of illness. Tell your friend 73x more people die each year due to being struck by lightning then from vapping on Ecigs)0). Just tell her you have a better chance of catching the bubonic plague, asian bird flu and typhoid fever in the same day then dying from an Ecig.

 

[mitsuhashi]

Wasn't there a real famous anti-smoking activist that promotes vaping over smoking?
I think his name was Bill Godshall. You can use his arguments.

Also, recently a major study on the effects of indoor air quality between vaping and smoking was published, funded by donors.
Here is the abstract: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

She can nag you about how vaping is bad compared to being a complete non-smoker, but really if she's arguing that vaping = smoking..........

 

[elmattias]

Wasn't there a real famous anti-smoking activist that promotes vaping over smoking?
I think his name was Bill Godshall. You can use his arguments.

you can also add rush limbaugh to the list of famous vapers that are highly outspoken about it...and, in my personal opinion, is one of vaping's biggest weapons when the FDA decides to grind into action.

 

[LucidAce]

you can also add rush limbaugh to the list of famous vapers that are highly outspoken about it...and, in my personal opinion, is one of vaping's biggest weapons when the FDA decides to grind into action.

Really? I did not know that.

 

[elmattias]

Really? I did not know that.

oh yes, rush is an avid vapor. he vapes a volcano inferno kit if i'm not mistaken...google it, its legit.

 

[Jonesey]

THANK YOU for all the responses they are very much appreciated. I'm rushing at the moment, but I will check out all the links provided after work today.

This is one of those people that you'd really to say 'F@@@ off' to, unfortunately I can't. I think bombarding with information might be just as good though.

 

[Blownupdolly]

have just spent the last 2 weeks in hospital puffing away on mine in front of doctors (with their blessing). Had sooooo much fun shocking other patients and various hospital staff who thought i was a lunatic smoking on the ward. t kept me amused for hours!