Can i vape 0.1ohm (coil) at 177w with 2x 18650 30a batteries? using Voopoo Drag 3

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

Hi Rytis. Welcome to the ECF.

If you are using a Regulated mod, the Ohms of your build plays No Part in the Amps a Battery(s) must provide. It's the Watts that matter.

177 Watts would require about 32 Amps for Each Battery when the batteries are at their Low Voltage Cut-Off (~3.2 Volts).

Here's a Basic Battery Amp Calculator.

Battery Amp Draw / Drain Calculator - Vaping Hardware

So No, I Wouldn't consider this to be advisable even with New Quality 18650 batteries that are Rated at a 30 Amps Continuous Rate (CDR). And Not something I would consider ever doing with a pair of Batteries that have a Questionable 30A CDR.

Thanks, hm, I see I see, interesting, thanks for the info, kinda weird I didn't hear anything about that before

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

i dont know what kind of coils are those for this rda cause the resistance dont always nessesarily mean they need that high wattage to work good....sooo even tho the resistance is low doesnt mean u have to run them at 170watts nessesarily....
Its good to read to read more about batteries safety as already suggested but just saying a quick and easy way to calculate what wattage u can run your batteries on REGULATED mods only is that u multiply the amperes of the battery by 3 and then result is the wattage u can use this battery on regulated mod only and no matter what resistance the coil is as long as the mod can work witu that resistance ofc...

Example: a battery that is rated 20a means 20x3 = 60watts and if u have double battery mod then 120watts total that u can vape it...

That ofc means u use good batteries that are truly rated...u can google mooch to learn more in case u dont know is someone who has done lot of work on testing those batteries and their real ratings!!!
But still if u run batteries at their limits thats not good for their longevity and ofc wont give you much vaping time...

Hi, thanks, that's another good piece of advice to know, I'll try that out

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

Welcome to ECF.

Thanks!

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

Does anybody make a 0.1 ohm coil? The lowest I've seen is 0.15. If I try to build lower than that on a regulated mod, it won't fire. I wouldn't even go lower than 0.5 in a mech mod.

Oh yea? Well idk, take a look at this
there are so many results about a 0.1ohm coil so I'm guessing it does exist and well, Voopoo Drag 3 is one of those really popular mods out there, and I consider it to be relatively powerful, and I'm hoping I could vape 0.1ohm

 

[Superuser187]

Seems that the op used a calculator to see how many amps this coil will draw and saw that a 0.10ohm coil would give him 176watts on 4.2v and would draw 42a.

He didnt knew that this apply to mech mods and not on nessesary on a regulated.... and obviously he is into trying something powerfull and wanted to be safe trying it.....i was curious also at first how vaping on crazy high wattages would be when i saw i got a mod that can go up to 200watts...
Its that damn marketing of high wattages mods that makes u wonder..

myself i read a lot before trying vape at that wattages and also i was trying to do it slowly and by slowly increasing my coil setups and ofc power until i had a setup that i tried up to 120watts and then realised its suuuuuch a waste of juice and power and its not even that pleasant experience for me...

Not to mention that u need proper and expensive multi battery mod and also a big airy atomizer to vape at something like 170watts without the vapor being very hot af...

I know chicks dig big cloudz bruh but u can get good clouds with less wattages

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

Why, and they mean why in the everloving world, would you want to vape at 170 watts?

I mean, YOLO, (you only live once), life is short, I wanna try out almost everything (what doesn't kill me ofc), if I won't like it, I won't vape 177w

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

Couple of things to consider here. One, as UncleJunkle had mentioned, you'll want to make sure the batteries are reliably OEM. Trustfires, Imrens, Nitecore, Efest, Vapcell (at least Vapcell usually lets the users know what battery they rewrapped) etc. are all rewrapped batteries. If you peel the PVC coating off, it will reveal what type of battery is underneath - those are the OEM batteries from either Sony/Murata, Panasonic/Sanyo, Molicel/NPE, LG, Samsung, or Bak/Lishen. You can tell where this is probably leading - the rewraps are random and can be issued from manufacturers anywhere from this years model to a couple of years ago. They can be switched at any time. Those batteries are not going to have the same specs as newer ones, but can and will be advertised with the same specs. Also, rewraps are commonly known to buff their specs beyond what the battery is actually capable of handling, and will further use a "pulse rating" to make their numbers even more impressive to compete against other brands. A "pulse rating" is like putting a tachometer in a car that shows a redline at 9000 rpms, but will blow its engine at 6500 rpms. It's purely fluff for show. Purchasing the listed brands above from accredited vendors is the only way to reliably know this, and even they can sometimes be duped with a bad batch of batteries. That is as reliable as we can pretty much get. So, with that in mind...

What type of batteries do you have and what model are they? VooPoo is more of a middle ground mod maker, and less for eccentric styles of vaping. Most reviews have found their tested specs to fall a bit short of what they advertise, which means you're not likely going to be able to achieve those 177w, even if your mod shows that you're sitting at 177w. They're not a bad mod for common uses like regular subohm tanks or lower ohm single coil RDAs/RTAs/RDTAs between 5 or 10 watts to maybe 100. Most VooPoo mods are also not buck boosted, which means you'll further see a decrease in performance as the battery gets closer to 3.2V, esp. for eccentric/exotic builds. Also as Ed mentioned, assuming the battery was capable of 30A CDR, constantly running it at 30A is going to drastically reduce the overall life span of your batteries. Safe? Fairly. But that's running your gear pretty hard - you can expect to be replacing all of your components in the not-so-distant future.

Oh, and dry hitting. You're going to see plenty of this at 177w. Rip your throat.

Lastly, welcome to ECF.

That's one heck of valuable information, thanks a lot, welp, guess that means I won't be vaping 177w, thanks! Oh and by the way my batteries are these:
18650 3.7V 3120mAh 30A Li-ion SONY US18650VTC6
I paid quite a lot for them, from a trusted site, so they must be the real deal

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

Are they Ultrafire or Trustfire? If so, the answer is no.

Are they a different brand? If so what brand & model and where did you buy them?

THIS MATTERS! Because many batteries are marketed with erroneous specifications and some places that claim to sell authentic brands are selling fakes, even unknowingly.

Yeah, I know the batteries are like one of the most important things when getting a mod, mine are
18650 3.7V 3120mAh 30A Li-ion SONY US18650VTC6

 

[Superuser187]

That's one heck of valuable information, thanks a lot, welp, guess that means I won't be vaping 177w, thanks! Oh and by the way my batteries are these:
18650 3.7V 3120mAh 30A Li-ion SONY US18650VTC6
I paid quite a lot for them, from a trusted site, so they must be the real deal

And here is what i am talking about mooch this guy that tests those batteries REAL amp draws and all vaoing community thanks and trust him...

These batteries u use are good but they are considered long life batteries and they are not very high amp draw batteries...its not bad but its for different use..

Also they are a bit unique on a way that those batteries are some of few that the real rating is only 15amps but also and 20amps if u keep them from hitting 80celcius temperature...
But can u be sure the batteries are kept cool? I mean if u vape your mod in hot climate witu sun hitting it and u vape it can u be sure the batteries wont overheat and reach 80c?

So on your mod u can safely vape those at 90watts or if u are on a cool environment u can vape max 120watts...
And ofc they will be at their limits

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

Seems that the op used a calculator to see how many amps this coil will draw and saw that a 0.10ohm coil would give him 176watts on 4.2v and would draw 42a.

He didnt knew that this apply to mech mods and not on nessesary on a regulated.... and obviously he is into trying something powerfull and wanted to be safe trying it.....i was curious also at first how vaping on crazy high wattages would be when i saw i got a mod that can go up to 200watts...
Its that damn marketing of high wattages mods that makes u wonder..

myself i read a lot before trying vape at that wattages and also i was trying to do it slowly and by slowly increasing my coil setups and ofc power until i had a setup that i tried up to 120watts and then realised its suuuuuch a waste of juice and power and its not even that pleasant experience for me...

Not to mention that u need proper and expensive multi battery mod and also a big airy atomizer to vape at something like 170watts without the vapor being very hot af...

I know chicks dig big cloudz bruh but u can get good clouds with less wattages

Yeah that makes sense, I'm a newbie, I set my expectations way too high, but now little by little I'll get to know mods better, thanks a lot for all the information. Yea I bet it is wasteful to vape at that wattage, I would like to see how it goes at least once in my life, but eh, guess I won't be vaping 177w

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

And here is what i am talking about mooch this guy that tests those batteries REAL amp draws and all vaoing community thanks and trust him...

These batteries u use are good but they are considered long life batteries and they are not very high amp draw batteries...its not bad but its for different use..

Also they are a bit unique on a way that those batteries are some of few that the real rating is only 15amps but also and 20amps if u keep them from hitting 80celcius temperature...
But can u be sure the batteries are kept cool? I mean if u vape your mod in hot climate witu sun hitting it and u vape it can u be sure the batteries wont overheat and reach 80c?

So on your mod u can safely vape those at 90watts or if u are on a cool environment u can vape max 120watts...
And ofc they will be at their limits

I see, thanks so much for the info. Well I can make sure the batteries are in a place with no drastic temperature differences between heat and cold but uhm, that's cool. One of my friends has a lot of battery testing equipment so when I come to his place we'll test out the actual amperage of these batteries. Oh and yea I live in Europe, Lithuania, the Temperate Climate zone, the temps aren't that high here and I'm happy about that, I love cold as hell, in fact I was dreaming of using my mod during the winter, makes me happy I'm able to draw more power out of it when its winter

 

[Superuser187]

Yeah that makes sense, I'm a newbie, I set my expectations way too high, but now little by little I'll get to know mods better, thanks a lot for all the information. Yea I bet it is wasteful to vape at that wattage, I would like to see how it goes at least once in my life, but eh, guess I won't be vaping 177w

I know cause i have thought the same as you but yeah we are not all the same...
Its just that the setup u got cant really work that extreme and be efficient...

I know its wierd but companies say a mos goes 200watts but for example its hard or impossible to find 18650 batteries that can give you that power...
So its mostly marketing like this mod can output that wattage and not u woidl need it....just makes it more apealling to buy it and shows what is capable of...

Also batteries as already mentioned is best to buy oem cause rewraps ridiculously overate their batteries cause they dont care...
but also oem batteries many times are overated cause companies domt intent them to be used for vaping so a failure wouldnt be dangerous nessesary and apso some mention not use on vape devices and thats why always google mooch and the battery u want to know the real ratings....for example google mooch 18650 vtc6 and u will see...he is like the vapers savior lol...

U may use regulated mod and its way safer but still its good to use wisely cause the safety features may fail

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

18650 3.7V 3120mAh 30A Li-ion SONY US18650VTC6

An authentic Sony/Murata VTC6 is not a 30 amp battery.
Bench Retest Results: Sony VTC6 15A 3000mAh 18650…a fantastic 15A/20A battery!

This link is invaluable
List of Battery Tests | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Some more good links

Mooch's blog - Index | E-Cigarette Forum

Mooch's Recommended Batteries | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

I know cause i have thought the same as you but yeah we are not all the same...
Its just that the setup u got cant really work that extreme and be efficient...

I know its wierd but companies say a mos goes 200watts but for example its hard or impossible to find 18650 batteries that can give you that power...
So its mostly marketing like this mod can output that wattage and not u woidl need it....just makes it more apealling to buy it and shows what is capable of...

Also batteries as already mentioned is best to buy oem cause rewraps ridiculously overate their batteries cause they dont care...
but also oem batteries many times are overated cause companies domt intent them to be used for vaping so a failure wouldnt be dangerous nessesary and apso some mention not use on vape devices and thats why always google mooch and the battery u want to know the real ratings....for example google mooch 18650 vtc6 and u will see...he is like the vapers savior lol...

U may use regulated mod and its way safer but still its good to use wisely cause the safety features may fail

Yea, well, it's fine, idk when I'll try out vaping at a higher wattage I'll most likely as well change my mind even further about vaping at high wattages, since, its so wasteful on the e-liquid and batteries, not to mention too slow wicking, dry hits at 177w, so I might not even wanna get a more powerful setup in the future. Anyway, yeah, I've heard that 18650 batteries, in general are very overrated these days. OEM batteries huh, never heard of those, I'll keep that in mind. But yea lol

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

An authentic Sony/Murata VTC6 is not a 30 amp battery.
Bench Retest Results: Sony VTC6 15A 3000mAh 18650…a fantastic 15A/20A battery!

This link is invaluable
List of Battery Tests | E-Cigarette Forum

Yeah I honestly expected the actual amperage to be lower than they claimed, damn, and I even bought those batteries from a trusted site

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I live in Europe, Lithuania, the Temperate Climate zone, the temps aren't that high here and I'm happy about that, I love cold as hell, in fact I was dreaming of using my mod during the winter, makes me happy I'm able to draw more power out of it when its winter

Be careful your batteries do not freeze. Not safe to use these batteries when the battery internal temperature is freezing. My bring to above freezing temperature before put in use. Using in freezing temp is OK, but the battery internal temp should be above freezing.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I'll most likely as well change my mind even further about vaping at high wattages, since, its so wasteful on the e-liquid and batteries

Good thinking.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Yeah I honestly expected the actual amperage to be lower than they claimed, damn, and I even bought those batteries from a trusted site

What site did you buy from. There are some EU and UK sites at the bottom of this page that Mooch recommends. They might list the amp ratings too high, but at least they are less likely to get fakes because they are reputable suppliers mooch has dealt with. Never listen to a retailer as far as amp ratings go. Use the list of battery tests from Mooch to find out what the more realistic amp rating is.

 

[Rytis Laurinaitis]

Be careful your batteries do not freeze. Not safe to use these batteries when the battery internal temperature is freezing. My bring to above freezing temperature before put in use. Using in freezing temp is OK, but the battery internal temp should be above freezing.

Oh yea sure I've thought about that as well, I'll just make sure the mod (or the batteries alone) are always close to the core of my body, so to make sure they are always warm, kinda, well definitely not below the freezing point.