Canadian E-Cig retailers

[jdevlin]

Alright I need to say this, as I have invested much in my vaporizing habit and wish to continue with it. I'm concerned that retailers in their lust to capitalize on these new devices are going to put greed before practicality. Selling potentially dangerous liquids, selling to minors, or even advertising this as a "SAFE" or cure for smoking.
There has got to be a way to get retailers to start being responsible without cutting into profits. And I wonder if maybe the government does need to set down some ground rules sooner rather than later. I would hate for incidents like where the kid in Vancouver was sold E-Cig merchandise.... the media caught wind of that one... I could see people either wanting them banned or regulated. Maybe someone should put up some kind of website where you can check how reputable your local vape shop is. Maybe it could discourage people from shopping as the less reputable locations and encourage shops that are running clean (in other words not drawing un-nessesary attention to themselves in a negative way).

Just sayin.. it's WAY beyond my ability to do this... but I would if I could.

Happy vaping

 

[oxidus]

I think the only way to make a statement is to just take your money elsewhere. The vendor in this city is completely into it. They are pro-regulation, ask for photo ID, and they only buy from reputable juice makers. Not regulation like tax and laws, but actually showing the ingredients on juice bottles, food grade ingredients (not sure what you call it), pg vg ratios, nic strength, warning labels...etc.

It can be as simple as just printing different stickers to apply on the bottle and training staff, not that difficult. No real profit loss from that.

 

[jdevlin]

Yeah I know, Its just a matter of where to take my money. there are MANY vapor shops here in Victoria... and I'd just like to shop at the ones who are respecting the industry, instead of going from place to place and finding out bad things about them the hard way. It's not like places that sell vapor gear advertise that they are sleazy
I don't wish to name names as I'm not even sure this thread of mine is appropriate to begin with, so posting negative comments about specific retailers might be pushing my luck.

 

[Talyon]

Alright I need to say this, as I have invested much in my vaporizing habit and wish to continue with it. I'm concerned that retailers in their lust to capitalize on these new devices are going to put greed before practicality. Selling potentially dangerous liquids, selling to minors, or even advertising this as a "SAFE" or cure for smoking.
There has got to be a way to get retailers to start being responsible without cutting into profits. And I wonder if maybe the government does need to set down some ground rules sooner rather than later. I would hate for incidents like where the kid in Vancouver was sold E-Cig merchandise.... the media caught wind of that one... I could see people either wanting them banned or regulated. Maybe someone should put up some kind of website where you can check how reputable your local vape shop is. Maybe it could discourage people from shopping as the less reputable locations and encourage shops that are running clean (in other words not drawing un-nessesary attention to themselves in a negative way).

Just sayin.. it's WAY beyond my ability to do this... but I would if I could.

Happy Vaping

So it's desirable to have our governments control every aspect of our lives?

I prefer our government stay out of mine.

Vapeing is not smoking so why should I be demonized??? There's plenty of proof Vapeing is much much safer then smoking.

The regulations would come with Sin Taxes, why should I pay for that?

We have regulations a laws about beer and liqour sales to minors, yet kids still acquire it. They also acquire smokes etc with all these stupid regulations in place, bah regulations are crap at best. I did not elect my government to protect me in the way of restrictions, nor did my Dad die in The war for that kind of freedom, yes Freedom........

Sometimes crap happens in life, let's not make a life altering stupid desision on regulations but rather take business elsewhere and use your Freedom wisely.

Why do I need my government to Parent my own Kids?

Ty for sharing your story, as the Vapeing community grows stronger everyday with the knowledge gained.

 

[KaiserSose]

I think most of the vendors are affiliating themselves with things like ECTA, CASAA etc. If i have read them correctly those organizations and setting ground rules for the industry. Warning Labels, Sites Clearly Marked for 18yr old and older, asking for ID(although, with the grey hair on my head, getting asked for ID is a thing WAY in my past!)Local shop here, i did hear them card a couple of young looking folks so they are being responsible. Cant help the internet sales though, anybody can order as long as they have a bank account or credit card. Tad harder with a CC but not prohibitively so. The shop here makes the juice in the back, and the employees are vaping it, so i figure its ok. I only buy from canadian vendors who are part of ECTA and or CASAA. I like most folks here would agree that the convenience store e-cig a likes that are positioned just above the candy with the flavour prominently displayed, should be removed. The ONLY government reg i would like too see. E-cigs and E Juice should only be sold in dedicated shops. Like most are now anyways. Shops and e vendors of course. The rest the government leave well enough alone.

 

[jdevlin]

So it's desirable to have our governments control every aspect of our lives?

I prefer our government stay out of mine.

I agree here, I would prefer them stay out of my business too, but I do fear that lack of any form of regulation could result in the government doing more then just stepping on some toes but just outright banning E-cigs. I'll take regulation over the government doing something stupid like banning them any day. In a perfect world everyone would play nice but meh... the Canadian Government has dome some dumb stuff in the past. I have no doubt they will again.

Vapeing is not smoking so why should I be demonized??? There's plenty of proof Vapeing is much much safer then smoking.

Which is exactly why I would prefer it regulated then banned, or having the whole industry demonized.

The regulations would come with Sin Taxes, why should I pay for that?

Regulations are on everything out there, it sucks and I do honestly hate the over regulation. if I had an alternative I would suggest it and even try to implement it but I'm just a small time guy who vapes. At this stage I just hope no one in the industry does anything to damage our cause.

We have regulations a laws about beer and liqour sales to minors, yet kids still acquire it. They also acquire smokes etc with all these stupid regulations in place, bah regulations are crap at best. I did not elect my government to protect me in the way of restrictions, nor did my Dad die in The war for that kind of freedom, yes Freedom........

Regulations are there to make the general ignorant public feel at ease about something they know is bad. I used to work at a convenience store... "do not sell to minor's" for tobacco... yet I seen it every day, you sell to an adult who then hands them over to some kid. system is flawed. And I do everything I can to try and prevent it myself but there is always a work around. And I'm truly sorry about your dad.

Sometimes crap happens in life, let's not make a life altering stupid desision on regulations but rather take business elsewhere and use your Freedom wisely.

Exactly why I proposed some form of way to be able to go online and check the reputability of retailers. I would rather not hand my hard earned money to those who will land us with harsh regulations. I would just as soon see anyone in the industry playing by a good set of rules to the government will never feel pressure to step in because the E-Cig industry has failed to keep things safe.

Why do I need my government to Parent my own Kids?

Sadly they already do on some levels

Ty for sharing your story, as the Vapeing community grows stronger everyday with the knowledge gained.

Your welcome, and believe it or not I'm completely on your side of things. I just feel that if retailers are irresponsible it could result in those who are ignorant of E-Cigs, or government agencies wanting some harsh regulation. I have had to explain to countless people about what these things are, and about how they aren't the dangerous devices some people claim they are


Cheers, and thank you for an honest reply to what I had to say. I just hope I was able to clarify my position a bit. I don't *WANT* regulation, but it may become necessary to at least keep it from spooking the general public as some unregulated dangerous habit.

 

[Talyon]

Perhaps I see those things from where u live, but I don't see them happening here in TO, now as anything it's possible for a minor to acquire products that are age regulated, Booze, Smokes, Lottery Tickets etc etc

So regulation on inhibits honest people and not criminals whether those are vendors or customers.

Vapeing is 99% safer then smoking and I'm convinced our government will see this sooner or later, the science is there over and over.

I agree on an age limitation lets say 16. I agree liquids should be more transparent, now on that note of labeling etc, show me any current regulated product that says exactly what's in it according to our regulations of said product, u can't because it don't exist, regulation only defines the amount of fats, ie: saturated etc, calories, and a few other things that don't tell u what is exactly in the product whether it be Peanut Butter or Jam or whatever, they do add on the label MAY contain this and MAY contain that, lol what a joke. The major ingredient is written on label first and so on, none of this breaks down what's in my can of soup or whatever, so I'd expect the same for eLiquids. Nothing more and nothing less.

Should our government regulate lets say, insurance rates? Or perhaps Gas prices? Or House prices? I'm sure they do in some way I'll admit my ignorance here, bottom line is I pay through the nose for those things and that's rediculous, and WHY, follow the money our Goverment doesn't care about your health but they do for your money.

Ergo my official stance even though I may agree with you on age limitations and a few things is "I DON'T WANT ANY REGULATIONS on MY Vapeing, or yours. Enough is enough already.

I can't even buy Booze at my local convienence store like other Provinces, some united Canada that is eh?

Sorry going off topic a bit, I understand what your saying OP, but Goverment action is NOT the answer and until our Goverment states that they side with the science that proves Vapeing is less harmful then smoking I can't trust them to do anything right ever again.