Cancer is Bad

[ducaduca]

Hey guys,

So I haven't smoked a cigarette in over 5 months since receiving my Joyetech E-grip. But lately I've had some coworkers tell me that vaping causes cancer just as much as cigarettes if not more.

See my thoughts were at first was....the 5 chemicals you take in through vaping was MUCH better for you than the +4,000 chemicals you take in smoking cigarettes.

So doing some research I came across some articles online about about vaping and the chemical... formaldehyde. I read that vaping over 4 Watts causes formaldehyde. But I also read...formaldehyde is only released through dry hits because of the kanthal wire.

I dont know what to think. My E-grip is a weak mod and vape at around 4 watts everyday.

I've also heard about e cigarettes exploding in people faces but I'm not too worried about that because I feel like those people are modifying their devices or using very high wattage devices. Either way...

I want to hear what some of you guys think on vaping and the health risks so I have a better idea on what chances I am taking. I know vaping is relatively "new"...but I know vaping has been around for at least 10-15 years and believe the fact that there is no definite answer to links to cancer, says something positive...but I dunno.

Thanks

 

[mauricem00]

the studies that found any trace of formaldehyde operated vaporizers at twice their rated operating voltage (4 times their rated power). if I plugged a 110 VAC appliance into a 220 VAC outlet I would expect it to produce all kinds of unpleasant fumes. the anti- vaping crowd does not have any evidence that vaping is harmful so the have to create evidence using junk science.every smoker that switches to vaping take money out of the pockets of tobacco companies, pharmaceutical companies and reduce tax revenue for governments.they will do what ever they can to hold on to that money.

 

[Susan~S]

All the articles your coworkers (and you) are reading are "junk science". Lots of threads in the Media & General News Forum (see the first couple of pages).

 

[Bad Ninja]

Hey guys,

So I haven't smoked a cigarette in over 5 months since receiving my Joyetech E-grip. But lately I've had some coworkers tell me that Vaping causes cancer just as much as cigarettes if not more.

See my thoughts were at first was....the 5 chemicals you take in through vaping was MUCH better for you than the +4,000 chemicals you take in smoking cigarettes.

So doing some research I came across some articles online about about vaping and the chemical... formaldehyde. I read that vaping over 4 Watts causes formaldehyde. But I also read...formaldehyde is only released through dry hits because of the kanthal wire.

I dont know what to think. My E-grip is a weak mod and vape at around 4 watts everyday.

I've also heard about e cigarettes exploding in people faces but I'm not too worried about that because I feel like those people are modifying their devices or using very high wattage devices. Either way...

I want to hear what some of you guys think on vaping and the health risks so I have a better idea on what chances I am taking. I know vaping is relatively "new"...but I know vaping has been around for at least 10-15 years and believe the fact that there is no definite answer to links to cancer, says something positive...but I dunno.

Thanks

I take it you don't work in a think tank.

Let's take your first paragraph.

Name one person or even a link to an article about a person who has ever developed cancer from vaping.

The people with exploding batteries are using the wrong gear. Mechanicals are not for beginners.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

If the atomizer is only rated for 4 watts and you vape it at a higher wattage you may get some formaldehyde and a very bad burned taste. but even then you get less than in a cig.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Formaldehyde -
Formaldehyde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Processes in the upper atmosphere contribute up to 90% of the total formaldehyde in the environment. Formaldehyde is an intermediate in the oxidation (or combustion) of methane, as well as of other carbon compounds, e.g. in forest fires, automobile exhaust, and tobacco smoke. When produced in the atmosphere by the action of sunlight and oxygen on atmospheric methane and other hydrocarbons, it becomes part of smog. Formaldehyde has also been detected in outer space."

"Humans metabolize formaldehyde quickly, so it does not accumulate, converting it to formic acid in the body."
.

 

[BigEgo]

Hey guys,

So I haven't smoked a cigarette in over 5 months since receiving my Joyetech E-grip. But lately I've had some coworkers tell me that Vaping causes cancer just as much as cigarettes if not more.

See my thoughts were at first was....the 5 chemicals you take in through vaping was MUCH better for you than the +4,000 chemicals you take in smoking cigarettes.

So doing some research I came across some articles online about about vaping and the chemical... formaldehyde. I read that vaping over 4 Watts causes formaldehyde. But I also read...formaldehyde is only released through dry hits because of the kanthal wire.

That's 4 volts not 4 watts. These studies used a cheap ego-style clearo and cranked it up between 4 and 4.8v. No one vapes that. Essentially they burned the wick and the juice.

Temperature control in our mods completely solves this issue.

 

[Bunnykiller]

your body produces formaldehyde naturally... not alot but it makes it..
a newly built home has loads of formaldehyde in it
the engineered wood floors, the kitchen cabinets, the carpet, the plywood...

 

[englishmick]

As to what your co-workers are saying:

I assume they aren't vapers themselves. Try and put yourself in their shoes. Imagine the topic was falconry, or any topic you know nothing about. Every day you saw stuff on the internet and TV saying that keeping falcons is really dangerous and you can catch terrible bird flu viruses from falcons (I just made that up by the way). If one of your coworkers decided to keep falcons you would probably want to warn them of the risks they face.

The question is, are those news reports about vaping true? I don't think so, and you won't find many people here who think they are true. They are essentially propaganda produced by a bunch of people and organisations that stand to lose a lot of money if vaping isn't eliminated. They have waged a furious and very effective publicity campaign to make vaping look bad.

You shouldn't just take my word for it any more than you should believe what your coworkers are saying. Really you need to do some studying. There's a mountain of information on the subject on this site. Detailed analysis of the actual evidence and where it comes from and who paid for it. Plenty of pointers to legitimate studies as well as bogus studies, and how to tell the difference. It shouldn't take to long for you to figure out the answers.

In the meantime, don't worry too much.

 

[Bunnykiller]

ohhh and to mention, more people have gotten cancer from the sun then vaping
looks like vaping is safer than being in the sun

 

[ckquatt]

This vid was posted in another thread but may answer your question.




Sent from my Commodore 64 using Tapatalk

 

[crxess]

Another Deer caught in the headlights!

Take a good look at the Claimed evidence and the contradicting Proof.

It's kids walking down the road with flashlights trying top scare people.


___________________________________________________________

We Need a well organized countermeasures thread, linking all the legitimate exposure of Junk science and Propaganda Articles - And it needs to be a Sticky in General Discussion.

Simpler to Point people to Documentation than have dozens telling their version of what is what.

E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco estimates landmark review - Press releases - GOV.UK

Who will be duped by error-strewn ‘meta-analysis’ of e-cigarette studies? « The counterfactual

Fearless or clueless? Portland researchers defence of their flawed e-cigarette formaldehyde study « The counterfactual

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

At normal voltages it's fine, as long as you're not getting dry hits...

 

[Douggro]

if I plugged a 110 VAC appliance into a 220 VAC outlet I would expect it to produce all kinds of unpleasant fumes.

No, it runs GREAT... until the motor burns up, which produces the unpleasant fumes.
Actually had a co-worker do this with a weed eater plugged into an outlet that wasn't identified as having a 208V high-leg.

 

[Sil3nt]

Safety evaluation and risk assessment of electronic cigarettes as tobacco cigarette substitutes: a systematic review

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

We Need a well organized countermeasures thread, linking all the legitimate exposure of Junk science and Propaganda Articles - And it needs to be a Sticky in General Discussion.

agreed, one for Diacetyl, one for Formaldehyde and one for PG all stickied...

 

[KayP]

@ducaduca Do your co-workers still smoke? Maybe they're jealous you chose the healthier alternative.

 

[ducaduca]

@KayP
Yes...the coworker that warned me about vaping, smokes cigarettes. She actually told me right as she was walking out to smoke lol.

Of course...I just acted like what she was telling me was helpful and informative. I know about all the propaganda about vaping. But that moment with my coworker made me realize that I didn't have much of an argument for vaping and against cigarettes other than the 4,000 chemicals in cigarettes verse the 5 in vaping. But i appreciate everyone's thoughts

 

[Susan~S]

Of course...I just acted like what she was telling me was helpful and informative. I know about all the propaganda about vaping. But that moment with my coworker made me realize that I didn't have much of an argument for vaping and against cigarettes other than the 4,000 chemicals in cigarettes verse the 5 in vaping.

Perhaps this will help -- what's behind it all.

 

[edyle]

Hey guys,

So I haven't smoked a cigarette in over 5 months since receiving my Joyetech E-grip. But lately I've had some coworkers tell me that Vaping causes cancer just as much as cigarettes if not more.

See my thoughts were at first was....the 5 chemicals you take in through vaping was MUCH better for you than the +4,000 chemicals you take in smoking cigarettes.

So doing some research I came across some articles online about about vaping and the chemical... formaldehyde. I read that vaping over 4 Watts causes formaldehyde. But I also read...formaldehyde is only released through dry hits because of the kanthal wire.

I dont know what to think. My E-grip is a weak mod and vape at around 4 watts everyday.

I've also heard about e cigarettes exploding in people faces but I'm not too worried about that because I feel like those people are modifying their devices or using very high wattage devices. Either way...

I want to hear what some of you guys think on vaping and the health risks so I have a better idea on what chances I am taking. I know vaping is relatively "new"...but I know vaping has been around for at least 10-15 years and believe the fact that there is no definite answer to links to cancer, says something positive...but I dunno.

Thanks

There has been a lot of misinformation about vaping spread in the media.

Vaping over 4 watts isn't going to automatically produce formaldehyde, but if it does it's going to taste bad. Its called a burnt hit. With a high powered coil you can vape 100 watts without getting a burnt hit.

As for ecigs exploding, it really is about the lithium battery that the typical ecig uses. Lithium batteries are also used in cellphones, laptops, cordless power tools, and recently in the news you would have seen incidents about 'hoverboards' catching fire and that is because of the same lithium battery issue.