Can't get a Tobacco Taste

[UnclePsyko]

Yeah, I thought about makin my own but I thought you could buy an extract or concentrate to diy with that tasted similar to an analog. So far I can't get the flavors I'm usin to do that. I don't want a premix, I can get plenty of those. My problem is makin one. I'm havin no problems with any other juices, just tobacco

Right... That's the Extracts link I pasted above, the juices I mentioned are concentrated extracts from tobacco, not diluted, not mixed, not flavorings that "Simulate" tobacco. I was suggesting you could get other tobacco extracts to experiment with... or not.

Big Spirit Extract
Organic Spirit Extract
Speaking Spirit Extract
NS Brown Extract
NS Brown Extract
All extracted, by hand, by the owners.

If you're looking for something that tastes just like a cig, what could be closer than an extract from real cigarette tobacco?

To try to blend your own cigarette flavor, then the single varietal extracts such as the Virginias and Burleys (Air/Flue/Fire-cured) usually mixed in at around 4-1 Light Virginia to Burley with some Oriental/Turkish blended in as well to add depth and a little complexity to the flavor. The more Burley, the more "Full Flavor", Virginia is a more "Light" flavor.
Your call, I'm just trying to help seeing you are not having much luck with the artificial flavorings.

 

[PaulBHC]

I placed an order with NET for some Big Spirit and the sampler pack then saw on the home page that they are about two weeks behind on orders. Oh well, maybe that will change.
I bought some Spokane Super Sauce turkish tobacco flavor that is strong flavor and tastes like loose tobacco smells. I like it for after dinner when I want something strong.

 

[UnclePsyko]

I placed an order with NET for some Big Spirit and the sampler pack then saw on the home page that they are about two weeks behind on orders. Oh well, maybe that will change.
I bought some Spokane Super Sauce turkish tobacco flavor that is strong flavor and tastes like loose tobacco smells. I like it for after dinner when I want something strong.

Yeah, they're a victim of their own success. It's a small family run business and the extractions take time, but they're worth it to me and most of the folks on the http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/274904-natural-tobaccos.html Thread.
I've learned my "Must Have" juices and always order several 60ml at a time waaaaay in advance.

The Big Spirit is a great juice, but the NS Dark is friggin' amazing! If you ever tried the Nat Sherman MCD Dark box cigarette, it's a dead-ringer!

 

[mightymen]

Why do I need a calculator? I cut my 48mg nic to 12 and made 75/25 mix. All I do is add flavor to that. .5 flavor to 9.5 mix basically gives me a 5% flavor while just diluting the mix a bit. I quit smoking 3 weeks ago. Haven't smoked a cigarette since my first draw on an Evod

Nicotine is cut when we purchase for safety reasons I never go higher than 60% nicotine with a base of PG or VG

Nicotine we buy should have already been cut with PG/VG we can cut it down more.


Read up on this it is VERY IMPORTANT to know how to handle nicotine don't fool around with it.

Without a calculator how do you know it's at 12mg level?

If you don't use the correct formula it's all out of balance.

"Rule 29 : Nicotine Strength
[1] It became obvious that some members joining in discussion of pure nicotine did not have any idea of the danger, or any knowledge of working with hazardous chemicals, or even any basic knowledge of measurements. Pure nic is as dangerous as cyanide - opening a bottle in a room can result in all present being poisoned. It must be handled in a fume cupboard, with hazmat precautions. Pure nic can be theoretically defined as: Nicotine 100%, 1000mg, 1000mg/ml, but is more likely to be found as 998mg, 997mg/ml or 990 mg (99%). We consider anything over 90% / 900mg to be 'pure nic'. No discussion of use or links to suppliers whatsoever [2] are allowed.

There is a very real danger of death or hospitalization with this material and ECF cannot support any publicity of its use or sources. There is no need to use it since far safer strengths are available for bulk mixing, such as 48mg (4.8% nicotine in PG or VG), 60mg (6%), and 100mg (10%). To protect our members and ourselves we do not allow discussion of or sources for anything over 200mg (20% nic) [2]. "
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-forum-rules/51178-forum-rules.html

 

[Bikenstein]

Nicotine is cut when we purchase for safety reasons I never go higher than 60% nicotine with a base of PG or VG

Nicotine we buy should have already been cut with PG/VG we can cut it down more.


Read up on this it is VERY IMPORTANT to know how to handle nicotine don't fool around with it.

Without a calculator how do you know it's at 12mg level?

If you don't use the correct formula it's all out of balance.

"Rule 29 : Nicotine Strength
[1] It became obvious that some members joining in discussion of pure nicotine did not have any idea of the danger, or any knowledge of working with hazardous chemicals, or even any basic knowledge of measurements. Pure nic is as dangerous as cyanide - opening a bottle in a room can result in all present being poisoned. It must be handled in a fume cupboard, with hazmat precautions. Pure nic can be theoretically defined as: Nicotine 100%, 1000mg, 1000mg/ml, but is more likely to be found as 998mg, 997mg/ml or 990 mg (99%). We consider anything over 90% / 900mg to be 'pure nic'. No discussion of use or links to suppliers whatsoever [2] are allowed.

There is a very real danger of death or hospitalization with this material and ECF cannot support any publicity of its use or sources. There is no need to use it since far safer strengths are available for bulk mixing, such as 48mg (4.8% nicotine in PG or VG), 60mg (6%), and 100mg (10%). To protect our members and ourselves we do not allow discussion of or sources for anything over 200mg (20% nic) [2]. "
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-forum-rules/51178-forum-rules.html

I read up on it before I bought it. That's why I use 48mg in a 50/50 pg/vg base. I then take 7.5 ml and add it to straight 22.5 ml of pg/vg mix to give me 30 ml of 12 mg base. If I want 5% flavor, I add .5 ml flavor to 9.5 ml of MY 12mg nic base. Why do I need a calculator?

 

[Bikenstein]

Right... That's the Extracts link I pasted above, the juices I mentioned are concentrated extracts from tobacco, not diluted, not mixed, not flavorings that "Simulate" tobacco. I was suggesting you could get other tobacco extracts to experiment with... or not.

Big Spirit Extract
Organic Spirit Extract
Speaking Spirit Extract
NS Brown Extract
NS Brown Extract
All extracted, by hand, by the owners.

If you're looking for something that tastes just like a cig, what could be closer than an extract from real cigarette tobacco?

To try to blend your own cigarette flavor, then the single varietal extracts such as the Virginias and Burleys (Air/Flue/Fire-cured) usually mixed in at around 4-1 Light Virginia to Burley with some Oriental/Turkish blended in as well to add depth and a little complexity to the flavor. The more Burley, the more "Full Flavor", Virginia is a more "Light" flavor.
Your call, I'm just trying to help seeing you are not having much luck with the artificial flavorings.

I didn't get that the 3 words in your original post was a supplier. Thanks for the help. I may end up goin to an extract if I can't get somebody's reference on a tobacco flavoring and where I can get it and how much they use and what pg/vg blend and if they have to add a drop of this or that in it and if they can help me out maybe with what flavors I already have cause I'm tired of spendin time and money and tryin to navigate this forum to find something cause I only got so long to live or something else that will give me a hint of tobacco flavor without tastin like I accidently got some of my wifes perfume in my mouth cause the only good thing is after 3 weeks I'm a lot longer winded But thanks for your help

 

[arlongkpr]

same as im still experimenting with flavors vaping about 2 months now on basic stuff..

 

[sleepinglysithia]

I was never able to find a true tobacco flavor which I really wanted at first. Over time I wanted the taste of a real cigarette less and less. At this point I think that would be about the last flavor I would be interested in. I wish anyone luck trying to find an authentic tobacco flavor though

 

[icyblack]

The best one i've tasted yet is called "Do More Eh" (DuMaurier), leaves a smoky taste in the mouth and a good hit to the back of the throat @ 18 mg - no sweetness at all. Couldn't stand it until I tried it with a new coil, but now it's my morning go to with coffee. Which reminds me, need to buy some more, just drained the bottle

Don't know if you can find a recipe for it, but it's sold in Canada, not sure about the US.

 

[shorestyle]

The best one i've tasted yet is called "Do More Eh" (DuMaurier), leaves a smoky taste in the mouth and a good hit to the back of the throat @ 18 mg - no sweetness at all. Couldn't stand it until I tried it with a new coil, but now it's my morning go to with coffee. Which reminds me, need to buy some more, just drained the bottle

Don't know if you can find a recipe for it, but it's sold in Canada, not sure about the US.

From maple leaf vapes? Yeah their "Belle mont" tastes like a real cig. It's scary how close it is.

Unvapable for me because of how real it is and I'm also off tobacco flavours now anyway.

 

[jwag1973]

Try these...
The Vapor Station, Tampa
Alien Visions-Gamel & C&D
Vaperite Organic House blend
IMO, they're all good! The DIY tobacco I've tried haven't been so good. You may check the DIY section, lot's of good stuff there.

 

[Bikenstein]

I realize no juice can produce a true cig flavor but I just can't get anything to give a hint of cigarette taste. I have the TA Blend and M-Type Premium from Wizard Labs and also FA Ry4 and FA Dekang. The only thing vapable is the Dekang after steeping for 1 1/2 weeks and then I have to put a drop or two of clear coffee in it to get rid of the chemical taste. I'm mainly usin a 5% with a 75/25 pg vg mix and 12mg nic in all my juices. I'm new to vapin (about 2 1/2 weeks) and been tryin to diy since the vape shop guy I bought my pens from mixes his own to order in a dirty lookin store. He didn't seem to know much, so I checked out the internet and ended up here at this SUPER site. Can anyone give me a recipe usin what I have, or suggest something?

Well, after searchin this site for weeks, I think I have an answer to my problem. Last night it hit me after readin a post about strong coffee flavors that I may be mixin my tobaccos too strong at 5% so I cut them
with my base (don't know if that'll work or not). Then thanks so much to Steve (Wingsfan0310) who let me know I should only use .5 to 1% with my TFA MType Premium and the TFA percentage chart of his, I think I'm on the road to makin some vapable tobacco flavors.

 

[Slots]

A quick note here.

Tobacco has to "steep" at least a month before it really hits it's true flavor.
I use the same tobacco flavorings (plus a lot more) that you do.
Just make small 2-3ml test sizes until you find one you like.

Also, do you use Vape Wizard or Apple Cider Vinegar.
They change the PH, and Tobacco flavors love either one. (not both together)
In any case 1 1/2 weeks steeping is not being fair to your tobacco flavors.
The longer the steep, , the richer, and smoother the flavor.

And just for the heck of it .. take a look at the "e-juice me up" calculator.
You can then make any size of bottle you want.
Besides ... you ARE sucking it into your lungs ..better to get it right.

 

[Bikenstein]

Thanx Slots, I use apple cider vinegar. Since I ain't gotta clue as to what I'm doin, could you give me aa recipe with the flavors I have. Can I use them as stand alone mixes? I want to mix 10 ml of all four of them if I'm gonna let em steep a month. Your help would be appreciated

 

[Slots]

Can I use them as stand alone mixes?

No, they are all mixed with an added flavor to be any good.
I don't know what else you have for flavoring, so I'll just be a little general here.

The RY4 is milder and on the sweeter side , and mixes well with any of the creams, fruits, and caramels.
The M-Type I like to mix with dulce de leache and brandy with a little graham cracker thrown in, to "ground it", and bring it together.
A lot of times, you won't taste the flavor of what you've added, as it hides in the background, but it makes the tobacco.
Just adding something like blackberry and walnut to it makes it good.
Then next time, add chocolate and coffee, or apple, and caramel with a touch of pie crust.
There's no end to what you can come up with ... but 90% are not good alone.

There are a lot of threads on here about getting "that" tobacco flavor.
Check them out and you'll learn a lot
There are also sections and threads containing "tobacco" recipes.
You'll learn a lot from all the experience, tests, and trials that everyone else has already gone through.

Flavor Art puts out some of the best tobacco flavors.
Check out the reviews of their flavors and you will have a better handle on what you are looking for.

I also find that the pipe and cigar flavors are truer to the real thing, and carry a stronger taste with less flavoring used
You just can't imitate the burning paper taste that cigs have.

You sound impatient, but you really need to do some research, so you'll end up happy with what you make in the end.
In the meantime, pick up some "sampler" packages from places like Backwoods Brew, and Mountain Oak Vapors, who specialize in tobacco's to get you through .
The samplers will give you 5-6 flavors to try at a fairly descent price, while you plot your future DIYing.
Please get the e-juice me up calculator (free), download and then you can calculate small test sizes.
There's nothing like having wasted the goodies on 10ml you hate.

Good luck and have fun.

 

[Bikenstein]

Hey thanks for the input. Searchin the threads here is like pullin teeth for me. I know there is a lot of info I could use but it is buried in tons of other stuff. It takes a long time to find what I need which is recipes using the flavors I have. What percentages do you use? If you don't mind me askin. How much M Type with how much dulce de leche or caramel? I have added coffee clear to all of mine. They are getting better. Right now I only have black walnut and banana cream(which I add to the bad tastin mixes in order to vape them),apple, strawberry.But I have an order in on caramel cappuccino, Bavarian cream, blueberry xtra, caramel original, hazelnut, English toffee, maple, mocha, chocolate hazelnut, peanut butter, graham dark, milk chocolate, coconut xtra, double chocolate clear, EM, and acetyl pyrazine 5%. Wizard Labs was out of smooth and French vanilla. Until I get more experience it would help if you or someone could give me a couple of recipes usin the 4 tobaccos I have. I'm not buyin any more tobacco flavors until I learn to do something right with these. I'm not particular about getting a tobacco flavor "just right" otherwise I wouldn't be vapin my latest concoction right now. I'm patient enuff and hard headed enuff to keep goin at this until I master it. You don't seem to be able to get a lot of help here other than the advice to go search the site and dig it up somewhere. I've found the TPA/TFA only recipes but still have to search them one at a time to find a tobacco and my computer is slow. I feel like I'm considered as takin the easy way out bein lazy for askin for one (just one) single tobacco recipe using one or more of the four tobaccos I have to be posted in a reply. Is that too much to ask for here? I don't know if it is because people think I should hunt one down, they don't like stupid newbie questions, my posts are not seen or read, they don't want to bother with it, they think a recipe is so easily found that I should find one myself, or they just don't realize how difficult it is to search through the tons and tons of posts here to find something in particular. You and a couple of other guys have helped quite a bit but regardless, I'll figure out how to make a fair to good tobacco recipe with what I have TFA M Type, TFA Tobacco absolute blend, FA RY4, and FA Dekang. I'll do it, I'll get it done. Whether somebody bothers to give me a recipe I can tweak or not. Thanks for your ideas. I already figured out that a tobacco is better adding another flavor of some sort but what I wanted to know was if you have to use 2 or more tobaccos or can you use just one of these tobaccos and add cream, nuts, chocolate, etc. to the one tobacco and make it work. I'm not sure if the tobacco absolute blend is made for that or if it is meant to be mixed with other tobaccos. Thanks for your help Slots

 

[Slots]

I'm patient enuff and hard headed enuff to keep goin at this until I master it.

"Hard-headed" I understand

First off, I see you are getting some caramel cappuccino.
That stuff is yummy, but ...SUPER STRONG.
For your first batch of it, only add 1 (yep ONE) drop per 10ml. And don't spill any on you or you'll smell like it for a few days.
You'll want to add about 5% cream (any kind) to it and if you like "sweet", then a couple drops of a sweetener. Shake well, and often.
The longer it sits, the stronger it gets. So whip it up, and start testing it at the end of the first week, and then each week after that.
Some like it within the first few days, others after a month.

Next, the Smooth ...Smooth has no flavor on it's own, but is great for adding a few drops (1 drop per 3ml) to any juice.
Really good with fruits. It gives them body and helps to blend and bring the flavors together.

M-Type is tricky. I've used up to 8% and it's fine. Then I used it at 3%, and it was to strong.
It just depends on the flavors your using with it.
I haven't tried this one, but going with what you have, I would try
2% M-Type
6% Banana Cream
5% Black Walnut
1 drop vinegar per 3ml
If your taste buds work (mine are half dead) this may be to strong.
Write down every detail when you make it so that you can repeat or tweak the recipe.

Again, if you download the the calculator (free) at http://ejuice.breaktru.com and enter the % of everything, it will give you the recipe.
I don't have FA Dekang.
I have a lot of recipes using different tobacco flavors .. and you may be able to use the recipe and swap the tobacco flavors ???

I've used TFA Double RY4, ... and I have FA -RY4, but haven't tried it yet,
so I don't know the difference in strength or flavor between them.
RY4 - 6%
Caramel - 3%
Dulce de Leche - 10%
I added Vape Wizard to this, but vinegar will do the same to change the PH
Again, after trying it once, adjust the flavoring to suit you.

The reason vapers are reluctant to share recipes is because it's so subjective.
Everyones tastes are so different.

I'll search around and see if I can direct you to some recipes.
Ohh, if you have a printer, you can print out the recipe the calculator gives you,.. save it till you try the juice and then use it to make notes on it for the "next" time.

 

[elinbain]

I bought the double RY4 TFA from wizard labs for mixing a tobacco blend into some of my juices....just tastes like moldy caramel on crack to me. I've been on the search for a good flavoring to use (preferably without vinegar or alcohol to enhance the flavor) for awhile now. after trying the double RY4 I'm hesitant to put any of the other tobacco flavors from them in a mix

 

[Bikenstein]

The reason vapers are reluctant to share recipes is because it's so subjective.
Everyones tastes are so different.
.

Maybe they are just shy First, thanx for your replies and suggestions and a RECIPE!!!!!!!!. Good idea on printin out the calculator. I have about 15 pages of scribblings that I can't even read I am a noob to vapin and diy but not a noob to the world. A lot of people won't give you the time of day. I enjoy cookin and if somebody asks me for a recipe of mine, I will and have freely given it to them even if they never tasted it. I would never just tell them that you're on your own because tastes in food are so subjective. That doesn't stop me from freely givin out a recipe, even to someone I know can't boil water. Likewise, as I did last night, I looked up several recipes for stuffed pork chops and used parts of these to tweak and create my own. My wife loved her pork chop on my first try. After you get enough experience baking, frying, grillin, smoking, etc. you can pretty much create good food even if you haven't tried a particular one before because you have an understanding of how to flavor, cooking times and temps and what foods work with each other. Couple of weeks ago I cooked a (choice) ribeye roast and made Yorkshire pudding with it. Looked up a recipe and tweaked a bit. Worked great. New diy'ers can use the help of the veterans just as a new cook can use the help of a chef. Tastes are subjective but if you know you don't like a lot of salt....just use less salt. I have confidence that your made up untried recipe for the M-Type will work a lot better than what I've done so far and I'm about to try a batch since my latest order hasn't came. Thanks for your help and the recipe

 

[Slots]

I enjoy cookin because you have an understanding of how to flavor, cooking times and temps and what foods work with each other.

I'm a good cook too, and I know exactly what your talking about.
With a new recipe, I will usually try it the way it's writtem (most of the time), the first time.
From there on, it's all's fair in love and war and COOK'IN.

Here'a few recipe places I looked up for you, so you can check them out.
I tried to narrow it down to tobacco, but your free to "surf" the site, for others of interest.
Most new vaper's start out looking for that cig taste, and after a few months, are into the fruits and sweets, and couldn't care less about tobacco ... (I was one)
Now I still like my tobacco, but mixed with others, and it's kind of used just for a "background" flavor.
It's there ... and it's not?? .. Like "not in your face"

I usually "copy/paste" the recipes and then email them to myself, with 4 or 5 recipes per page.
Read them with an open mind ... but more, so with common sense. (use your kitchen smarts)
I will add that sometimes they call for a flavor out of "left" field, but sometimes it's just what it needs.
I know a guy that adds a tad of "popcorn" to his strawberry shortcake.
Sounds really weird, but it works !!

Tobacco Recipes | E-Liquid Recipe Book

This one is interesting ... you type in what flavors you have on hand, and it creates a recipe using those flavors.
It also contain a slew of recipes you can search through.
e-Liquid Calculator :: New recipe

Another source
diyRecipeBook

One more
E-Liquid Recipes | DIY E-Juice | e cig Liquids

That should keep you busy for a while.

Pick up some Vape Wizard, it's better that vinegar .. it will bring the flavors together, but go real easy, as it can "mute" them too if overdone, like 1 drop per 3-5ml.

Some tobacco's I like to work with:
FA (Flavor Art) Black Fire, Desert Ship, Royal, Virginia, and I really like Maxx Blend
I have others by different company's, but these I would buy again.
They are each a little different from each other.

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