Carto tank hole punching.

[LegioX]

Hey all. I've got a question. How many holes do y'all use for your cartos that go in tanks? I started with two, then figured "hey, more has to be better", so started using 4, and even up to 8 holes at two different height levels. The thing is, I still notice extreme taste loss fairly early from time to time with my hole placements. I use the COV v2 carto puncher.

Currently using IKV mega platinum cartos which are fantastic, on a Lil Mama tank. I have 4 holes at the same height around an inch above the threading, maybe less. Sometimes I just feel like it could be getting more juice feeding. My tank caps are very very tight, so airflow I'm assuming isn't really an issue.

I'm having a pleasant tank experience, just wondering if I could do something to better it.
Questions I ask myself..
-Does the length of the cartomizer just give more filler to be consistently dry, affecting taste?
-Are fewer holes better possibly because it channels air more precisely ?
-Are bottom coil cartomizers (horizontals) viable, better, or worse?

Any thoughts on this would be incredible, as I'm 100% down with the carto tank vape-style, just desperately trying to 'perfect' it!

Thanks folks for any input

 

[jkmtwo]

2 is the best I've found, it would seem to me 4 or 8 would cause a flooding issue.

 

[LegioX]

2 is the best I've found, it would seem to me 4 or 8 would cause a flooding issue.

Cool. No flooding issues here however, even with 8. Though after the tank juice level drops the higher up holes aren't even feeding juice.

 

[washvap]

What's the PG/VG % of your juice? Seems that your using high VG since your not having any leaking issues. Either way, you mention that the biggest problem you have is flavor. As long as there is enough juice that gets into contact with the pieces of cotton around the coil. Then you'll be fine.

The biggest problem when it comes to flavor is condensation. Since all of that will go back into the filler material. Which is why your noticing a lack of flavor. Some are more sensitive to it then others. Unfortunately, there's no way to fix that.

 

[LegioX]

What's the PG/VG % of your juice? Seems that your using high VG since your not having any leaking issues. Either way, you mention that the biggest problem you have is flavor. As long as there is enough juice that gets into contact with the pieces of cotton around the coil. Then you'll be fine.

The biggest problem when it comes to flavor is condensation. Since all of that will go back into the filler material. Which is why your noticing a lack of flavor. Some are more sensitive to it then others. Unfortunately, there's no way to fix that.

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Thanks for some feedback, interesting. First off, I use 70pg 30vg juice.

You say as long as juice is moistening the filler around the coil I will be fine. With a vertical coil, technically speaking shouldn't the entire filler be saturated for maximum flavor? I mean after a while, barely moist filler must start to burn or just stop producing flavor. Would that be a correct statement? Mainly my interest in vertical vs horizontal coil.

As for condensation, are you saying the condensation is a flavor "decreaser" because it is less potent and re-absorbs back into the filler?

 

[washvap]

Nope, the coil is in the middle of the cartomizer. As long as that part is saturated then your fine. When a carto burns, it's because the little piece (or pieces of it's a DCC) of cotton around the coil gets too dry. Then gets burnt from the heat that's generated from the coil itself.

So, keeping that piece of cotton saturated is the most important part. Which is done by having the second half of the filler material moist. The top of the filler material looking dry is normal.

With horizontal coiled cartomizers. It's almost the same thing since the coil is on the bottom of the carto. You don't even need the top part saturated at all if your using it in a tank. All you need is one or two holes close to the bottom of the carto. This will saturate the filler but, more importantly the air flow tube. Since that's what's going to be supplying the coil and wick with the fuel that it needs.

Consdensation is created when you draw the vapor. Which is just water and collects either on the inner wall of the carto or the drip tip. When is goes back down into the filler material. Which waters it down and that's why you taste that it has less flavor relatively quickly.

And no problem, hoped that I helped a little.

 

[Malicious Intent 63]

2 is the best I've found, it would seem to me 4 or 8 would cause a flooding issue.

My thoughts also,I haven't gone more than two.Also b/c I figured it would flood.

 

[Malicious Intent 63]

Nope, the coil is in the middle of the cartomizer. As long as that part is saturated then your fine. When a carto burns, it's because the little piece (or pieces of it's a DCC) of cotton around the coil gets too dry. Then gets burnt from the heat that's generated from the coil itself.

So, keeping that piece of cotton saturated is the most important part. Which is done by having the second half of the filler material moist. The top of the filler material looking dry is normal.

With horizontal coiled cartomizers. It's almost the same thing since the coil is on the bottom of the carto. You don't even need the top part saturated at all if your using it in a tank. All you need is one or two holes close to the bottom of the carto. This will saturate the filler but, more importantly the air flow tube. Since that's what's going to be supplying the coil and wick with the fuel that it needs.

Consdensation is created when you draw the vapor. Which is just water and collects either on the inner wall of the carto or the drip tip. When is goes back down into the filler material. Which waters it down and that's why you taste that it has less flavor relatively quickly.

And no problem, hoped that I helped a little.

Now you made me think of something.
I have a DCC in my tank,2 punches on the bottom.
I look every once in a while to keep an eye on the filler.
I always notice the upper part of the poly looks dry.
Should I be running that type of Cart or should I go w/ a single?

 

[LegioX]

Now you made me think of something.
I have a DCC in my tank,2 punches on the bottom.
I look every once in a while to keep an eye on the filler.
I always notice the upper part of the poly looks dry.
Should I be running that type of Cart or should I go w/ a single?

The top part of the filler will always appear dry, unless you had holes at the very top to feed juice.

I don't use DCC for that very reason though, I figure the coil at the top isn't doing much and would just be heating dry filler. I've only used DCC a couple times in tanks though and haven't had great flavor so I use singles now. Its personal preference I suppose.

 

[LegioX]

My thoughts also,I haven't gone more than two.Also b/c I figured it would flood.

Regarding flooding...since parts of the filler are dry anyway, why not position more holes to feed juice into where the filler is dry? Flooding should not be an issue unless the hole in one area is ridiculously too large, 100% PG is being used.

So far example you could have maybe 3 sets of 3-4 small holes along the length of the carto, and I wouldn't think it would flood, it would just get juice to the places it isn't getting to with just 2 bottom holes.

 

[SilentEcho13]

I actually take a dremel and slot my cartomizers instead. It seems to draw juice much more efficiently that way for me.

Currently, I have a slotted aluminum CE2 inside a tank. The same CE2 that I had with two holes didn't draw liquid nicely, and neither did one or three holes. It might just be me though.

 

[Malicious Intent 63]

Regarding flooding...since parts of the filler are dry anyway, why not position more holes to feed juice into where the filler is dry? Flooding should not be an issue unless the hole in one area is ridiculously too large, 100% PG is being used.

So far example you could have maybe 3 sets of 3-4 small holes along the length of the carto, and I wouldn't think it would flood, it would just get juice to the places it isn't getting to with just 2 bottom holes.

I'm going to try adding a hole up top of the cart.I just worry the same that the top coil will burn it & wonder if that is why they burn out to fast.

 

[LegioX]

I actually take a dremel and slot my cartomizers instead. It seems to draw juice much more efficiently that way for me.

Currently, I have a slotted aluminum CE2 inside a tank. The same CE2 that I had with two holes didn't draw liquid nicely, and neither did one or three holes. It might just be me though.

I tried slotting cartos with my dremel but found use a puncher to be much easier and accurate for me. I do agree that a slot would much work better though...I just had problems get the perfect slot.

 

[SilentEcho13]

I haven't had much trouble with the dremel. It seems that using it at higher speeds gets a quicker and less shaky cut for me. I just brace one end of the carto against a hard surface and hold the other.

 

[LegioX]

Well I went back to 2 holes punched and it actually does seem to be working better. Not sure why...it must have something to do with a net loss of juice feeding the more holes there are because the suction is divided more??