i have ordered from eastmall lots of times and my last order was seized.it was also marked as a schedule F drug.i mean come on really?here is the letter i received from health canada.
cartomizers seized at canadian border
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HC is on a rampage - really - it's quite phenomenal. Anything ecig related - they're trying to stop from entering the country.
If you've only thought of writing your MP - but haven't quite got around to it - now would be a very good time. The regulations HC is citing are not "that" open to interpretation - including atomized cartridges is their way of trying to do what the FDA is failing to do.
In the US - the FDA can be stopped by the courts.
In Canada - our HC can only be stopped by you.
If you've only thought of writing your MP - but haven't quite got around to it - now would be a very good time. The regulations HC is citing are not "that" open to interpretation - including atomized cartridges is their way of trying to do what the FDA is failing to do.
In the US - the FDA can be stopped by the courts.
In Canada - our HC can only be stopped by you.
Wow, was it just atomizers? I have an order from china mostly just drip tips and some atty connectors but I do have two atomizer. Currently it has been sitting in Vancover customs since the 13th. Now I am a little worried.
X2.........jjaacckkaasssseess
and agree 100% on what kat said
only us can do anything about HC !!
imho.....
Man and I thought we had boneheads down here in the States. Just when you think you have it bad somebody has it worse. I feel for our good neighbors north of the boarder and I bet the blockheads at HC are good drinking buddies with their counterparts at the FDA. Both are cut from the same cloth. Ban vaping, sieze shipments keep smoking its better for you and these people are supposed to be looking out for our best interests - go figure. I hope things work out for you and if not bring on the black market
If your order had cartridges, that can create a problem. They love to say "how do we know they are empty"
Hardware is 100% legal.. So you have the right to receive your package.
Get on the phone, start by calling the number on the letter. Get ready for 2 days of telephone tag...
You will get someone on the phone who knows nothing about anything. Remember to be very nice, but persistent. Ask to speak to another person, like the agent on the letter. You will get their voicemail, leave a message. Next call back the 1st number, and say that person was not in, can I get another number of someone who I can speak to. You may or may not get another number out of them. If you do, you'll get voice mail again, leave a message.
Next Google Canada Customs at the location marked on the letter. You will get yet another number.
Keep repeating the above process until 1) you get someone on the phone who knows which way is up or b) one of your 10 voice mails to people have been returned.
Sorry it’s a pain, but it will work. Otherwise they will be too happy to send you stuff back.
ALSO RECORD THE NUMBER OF THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS SOMETHING, ITS VERY HANDY TO AVOID THE ABOVE STEPS NEXT TIME.
Also use this process when an order is tracked as "in customs" for more than 5 business days, don't wait for the letter.
I STRESS TO BE PERSISTENT AND VERY NICE.. Give the impression that you are not going to get off their back until they give you an answer BUT remember to be so nice they can’t tell you to stop bugging them and get lost.
Hardware is 100% legal.. So you have the right to receive your package.
Get on the phone, start by calling the number on the letter. Get ready for 2 days of telephone tag...
You will get someone on the phone who knows nothing about anything. Remember to be very nice, but persistent. Ask to speak to another person, like the agent on the letter. You will get their voicemail, leave a message. Next call back the 1st number, and say that person was not in, can I get another number of someone who I can speak to. You may or may not get another number out of them. If you do, you'll get voice mail again, leave a message.
Next Google Canada Customs at the location marked on the letter. You will get yet another number.
Keep repeating the above process until 1) you get someone on the phone who knows which way is up or b) one of your 10 voice mails to people have been returned.
Sorry it’s a pain, but it will work. Otherwise they will be too happy to send you stuff back.
ALSO RECORD THE NUMBER OF THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS SOMETHING, ITS VERY HANDY TO AVOID THE ABOVE STEPS NEXT TIME.
Also use this process when an order is tracked as "in customs" for more than 5 business days, don't wait for the letter.
I STRESS TO BE PERSISTENT AND VERY NICE.. Give the impression that you are not going to get off their back until they give you an answer BUT remember to be so nice they can’t tell you to stop bugging them and get lost.
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Still brutal that they are blank and they still nabbed you. If we give them an inch they will take a mile. I know I'm writing Health Canada.
right on noizmaker !!!
we all have too!
thanks can_supplier exellent advice of many...!
lets watch what we post too,
this is a public forum wink/wink
i'll start.....
no disrespect intended
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This was said last year and pretty much ignored. IMHO there is far too much discussion going on wrt how to get product in. This is a public forum and viewed by anyone, included but not limited to public officials.
<<These products come as electronic cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos and pipes, as well as cartridges of nicotine solutions and related products. These products fall within the scope of the Food and Drugs Act, and under the Act, require market authorization before they can be imported, advertised or sold. The sale of these health products is currently not compliant with the Food and Drugs Act since no electronic smoking products have been granted a market authorization in Canada. Health Canada Advises Canadians Not to Use Electronic Cigarettes - Health Canada Advisory 2009-03-27 and... Persons importing, advertising or selling electronic cigarette products in Canada must stop doing so immediately. Health Canada is providing information to interested stakeholders on how to apply for the appropriate market authorizations and establishment licenses.>>
Keeping up the fight is a good thing, but showing your hand??? Let's keep quiet about this. There is a function here that is called a PM (private message) for which the correspondence is kept private from the viewers at large.
Therefore I would urge everyone to start providing advice in private rather than posting it in the open forums wrt how to ship product.
Although it isn't "right" HC and Customs have no way of knowing if the cartomisers contain nicotine or not, and simply refused entry for which they have the right to do so. They are not seizing shipments, they are refusing entry. Big difference IMO.
Is all this right? Hell no! But let's all stop tipping our hand and continue applying pressure/writing to MPs, because we are definitely not privy to their hand, until we see the results.
<<These products come as electronic cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos and pipes, as well as cartridges of nicotine solutions and related products. These products fall within the scope of the Food and Drugs Act, and under the Act, require market authorization before they can be imported, advertised or sold. The sale of these health products is currently not compliant with the Food and Drugs Act since no electronic smoking products have been granted a market authorization in Canada. Health Canada Advises Canadians Not to Use Electronic Cigarettes - Health Canada Advisory 2009-03-27 and... Persons importing, advertising or selling electronic cigarette products in Canada must stop doing so immediately. Health Canada is providing information to interested stakeholders on how to apply for the appropriate market authorizations and establishment licenses.>>
Keeping up the fight is a good thing, but showing your hand??? Let's keep quiet about this. There is a function here that is called a PM (private message) for which the correspondence is kept private from the viewers at large.
Therefore I would urge everyone to start providing advice in private rather than posting it in the open forums wrt how to ship product.
Although it isn't "right" HC and Customs have no way of knowing if the cartomisers contain nicotine or not, and simply refused entry for which they have the right to do so. They are not seizing shipments, they are refusing entry. Big difference IMO.
Is all this right? Hell no! But let's all stop tipping our hand and continue applying pressure/writing to MPs, because we are definitely not privy to their hand, until we see the results.
Wise words Switched, and I completely agree about PMing sensitive information. It's rather sad though that we have to hide our actions in such a way. I won't go off on one of my rants but it certainly makes me feel like I am doing something dishonest when all any of us want to do is escape the tobacco demon and make ourselves healthier in the process.
I think we need to start asking suppliers of hardware that "could" be used as "vessels" for nicotine (atomizers, cartomizers, cartridges, etc etc) to start stating on their invoice/shipping paperwork: "DOES NOT CONTAIN NICOTINE" to prevent this chance of seizure at the forefront until HC gets off their butts and updates themselves on the inevitable ecig market.
Asking a vendor to openly lie on their documents for items containing nicotine isn't feasible as it will just get them blacklisted and the purchaser monitored for the shipments in the end.... in the case of nicotine ocntent, its better to simply minimize the info given and play stupid for the time being.
It's unfortunate that there is no way (at this time) to "scientifically" state the dosage rate to stay under the 4mg PER DOSE when ordering items like say 30ml of
24mg/ml ejuice or loaded carts/cartomizers (as far as I'm aware of).
Its a shame that the premise is: Guilty until Proven Innocent, when the common man (purchaser) isn't in a position of effectively PROVING what is correct, and then only to have some crooked and tax funded regulatory organization not give a damn in the end what you have to say in the first place.
I hope they/govt are ready for the blackmarket they are bound to create, not to mention the basement amateur dangerous lab situations they will force joe public to risk in attempts to extract their OWN nicotine to beat cigarettes out of their lives...... The thought process behind this all just astounds me !! It's a new developement of personal "legal" use that they have no way of eliminating regardless of their attempts at control and seize through importation, as there are just too many means for obtaining what we want on our own (risky as that may be).
In farmyard's case..... this should never have happened. There's no basis for it. There statement of reason is incorrect and an unfounded assumption.
How many people have had items refused entry for the reason of: This product "may" contain lead ?? Or how about ordering a custom pipe that is sealed and boxed refused for the reason of: This product "may" contain tobacco (or xxx substance) ??.... Nobody I'm sure......
I just don't understand the validity behind this communist activity. I know the reason they are attempting it..... but they are outright wrong and the buck must stops HERE !
VapeOn,
Greg <aka: not a puppet or a sheep>
Asking a vendor to openly lie on their documents for items containing nicotine isn't feasible as it will just get them blacklisted and the purchaser monitored for the shipments in the end.... in the case of nicotine ocntent, its better to simply minimize the info given and play stupid for the time being.
It's unfortunate that there is no way (at this time) to "scientifically" state the dosage rate to stay under the 4mg PER DOSE when ordering items like say 30ml of
24mg/ml ejuice or loaded carts/cartomizers (as far as I'm aware of).
Its a shame that the premise is: Guilty until Proven Innocent, when the common man (purchaser) isn't in a position of effectively PROVING what is correct, and then only to have some crooked and tax funded regulatory organization not give a damn in the end what you have to say in the first place.
I hope they/govt are ready for the blackmarket they are bound to create, not to mention the basement amateur dangerous lab situations they will force joe public to risk in attempts to extract their OWN nicotine to beat cigarettes out of their lives...... The thought process behind this all just astounds me !! It's a new developement of personal "legal" use that they have no way of eliminating regardless of their attempts at control and seize through importation, as there are just too many means for obtaining what we want on our own (risky as that may be).
In farmyard's case..... this should never have happened. There's no basis for it. There statement of reason is incorrect and an unfounded assumption.
How many people have had items refused entry for the reason of: This product "may" contain lead ?? Or how about ordering a custom pipe that is sealed and boxed refused for the reason of: This product "may" contain tobacco (or xxx substance) ??.... Nobody I'm sure......
I just don't understand the validity behind this communist activity. I know the reason they are attempting it..... but they are outright wrong and the buck must stops HERE !
VapeOn,
Greg <aka: not a puppet or a sheep>
... and I agree with you 100% Greg. What we don't know is what is going on behind the scenes, we need our own spies LOL. What do know and can control is keeping our mouths shut wrt how we do business.
IMO plastering "contains no nicotine" is a sure way to an inspection and subsequent refusal of entry, if someone is having a bad day, or is just plain ambitious.
IMO plastering "contains no nicotine" is a sure way to an inspection and subsequent refusal of entry, if someone is having a bad day, or is just plain ambitious.
I was worried as well.. I had 10 atty's from China sitting in Vancouver customs since Jan 5th! They were just released yesterday.. So maybe they're busy
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