Catskill Mountain Vapor - indicted-- I think is closed now

[Racehorse]

cuz he may be going to jail? Pretty sure this is the guy who operates Catskill Mountain Vapor:

Athens man, 46, admits to fraud - : News

Athens man admits to Social Security fraud - Columbia-Greene Media: News

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/richa...st-like-a-dope-dealer-scam-artist-liar-922492

An Athens man admitted last Monday to illegally pocketing $54,285 in Social Security benefits before a federal judge in Albany.
Richard J. Goddeau, 46, pleaded guilty before Chief United State District Judge Gary L. Sharpe to one count of Social Security fraud and one count of theft of government property.

His Facebook account also identifies him as the current owner, founder and president of Catskill Mountain Vapor Store Inc., since October 2011. Catskill Mountain Vapor Store Inc. is not a registered corporation with the state Department of State.

Goddeau is scheduled to be sentenced in Albany on December 2.

Just posting this because I just saw a negative review in the neg review area by someone who didn't get their juice, and I wanted to make sure everyone knew.

In the words of the precinct captain from Hill Street Blues: be careful out there!

 

[minimalsaint]

Oh, dang.
I've never done business with them and now I'm glad I never have!

 

[Racehorse]

The problem is that many have. Both on vaping forums and the greater vaping community who didn't know. un-registered corporation with the state Department of State, lying about his location/residence, and now guilty of fraud in other areas......do vapers really need to be buying juice from outfits like this, god only knows what they were getting.

This is why I support testing and some kind of standards.... and if a vendor doesn't want to be a real professional, in a professional industry, then they need to be weeded out before anybody buys from them.

Otherwise, we have to know to pull up rip-off reports, and read widely on internet forums to know these things?

I dunno about you, but I would NOT be comfortable vaping anything this guy put out in an unlicensed business, selling inhalable products that go into people's bodies.

 

[minimalsaint]

The problem is that many have. Both on vaping forums and the greater vaping community who didn't know. un-registered corporation with the state Department of State, lying about his location/residence, and now guilty of fraud in other areas......do vapers really need to be buying juice from outfits like this, god only knows what they were getting.

This is why I support testing and some kind of standards.... and if a vendor doesn't want to be a real professional, in a professional industry, then they need to be weeded out before anybody buys from them.

Otherwise, we have to know to pull up rip-off reports, and read widely on internet forums to know these things?

I dunno about you, but I would NOT be comfortable vaping anything this guy put out in an unlicensed business, selling inhalable products that go into people's bodies.

Indeed. Shady business never breeds positive results, especially for consumers.
I have been on a kick lately of demanding more from the vendors I buy my DIY supplies from and let's just say that they are dropping like flies. It's about the money with too many of them. Not helping people or making sure their products are safe / legit. It's just too bad that so many people are tied up in cases like this. I wonder how many orders are just hanging out there, never to be fulfilled.
Lock him up. The world is better off.

 

[Racehorse]

Well, I sent the poster of the Neg Review on them have links to the article, so he could post in his Neg Review, since only the OP can post to the topic.

Which is a moot point now, since they are not open anymore, despite there have been so many reports about them over the last 2+ years I"ve been here and people were unfortunately still ordering from them.

This was the outfit that was selling cloned boba's bounty, which a lot of people already knew, and naming it by the same name.

I wish Alien Visions had just sued them a few years ago, would have saved a lot of vapers a lot of money and disappointment, and maybe they would have gone out of business quicker.

ah well.......wild west and all that good stuff......

Of note, there was only one article that mentioned the vapor business, despite that this news came out before August 6th, but I haven't seen the vaping media pick up the story..........it would be good if vapers knew these things, but of course, the general "don't ask don't tell" paranoia keeps that from happening.

For me, the health and well-being of any single vaper is way more important than keeping the ANTZ from knowing about stuff (since they will know anyway, and probably even before the vaping community sometimes).

I have said for 2+ years that I want to make vaping safe for the world, not make the world safe for vaping.

There is a subtle but significant difference between those 2 things. Without the 1st there is no hope for the 2nd.

I pretty much get flamed for saying it though.

 

[supermarket]

Doesn't affect me one way or the other...since I've never ordered from them.

I will say this: I hope you guys all realize that ANYONE, literally ANYONE can create a web-page, and sell homemade e-liquid that they manufacture in their house. It is up to US, as consumers, to do our homework. Feel free to get to know your vendors, ask them questions...and if they hesitate to answer, MOVE ON.

I'm not against regulations for these very reasons.

 

[samwest]

The only reason I took the chance was because my beloved ADV was no longer up to par (my opinion). In reality, this the first time I've been ripped off besides Mrs. T's Bakery that is. I usually do research and check more than one source for reviews before I buy. I check the negative vendor comments regularly and think "you bought from them? That's what you get"

 

[samwest]

Ok Supermarket, I won't buy from him no mo.

 

[Racehorse]

The only reason I took the chance was because my beloved ADV was no longer up to par (my opinion). In reality, this the first time I've been ripped off besides Mrs. T's Bakery

oh dear, Sam, you sure have a magnet on you to somehow *find* the scammer vendors. Here, let me wave my wand over you and take that curse off.

There. Fixed.

Stick with the tried and true, read neg reviews, and use google and rip off reports before sending hard earned money to anyone.

I am thinking there are probably a lot of vapers out there who sent funds to this outfit. Just like to Mrs. Ts. Unfortunately, becasue nobody calls their states attorney general, etc. when waves of rip-offs start to appear, there are no actions taken against these companies, and so for years and years, other consumers continue to be scammed until the inevitable finally happens.

I can't afford to lose ANY money to scammers, so I am pretty un-forgiving to scammers.

 

[Racehorse]

ANYONE, literally ANYONE can create a web-page, and sell homemade e-liquid that they manufacture in their house. It is up to US, as consumers, to do our homework. Feel free to get to know your vendors, ask them questions...and if they hesitate to answer, MOVE ON.

I'm not against regulations for these very reasons.

*certain* regulations should be a no-brainer. Like being a registered business in your state. this guy wasn't.

I won't even order from anyone that doesn't post a phone number and address, and then I look up their address on google earth. Once I found a "lab" in a residential 4-unit apartment bldg. Another time the address linked to a chinese takeout hut. Of course, sometimes google GPS doesn't have things quite right, which is why the phone number comes in handy.....I call and ask.

 

[Sdh]

@Sam You might be able to do a charge back for your order I would copy the documents Racehorse provided and file with bank or credit card company. According to my bank their isn't a statue of limitations on fraud. One has to prove the goods were not delivered

You have a great case and personally one you can fight.

 

[ST Dog]

This is why I support testing and some kind of standards....

Not sure how that would help.
How do you verify the test results or prove the standars are met?

Too easy to game the system. Fake test results, fake licenses, etc.
I'd rather not present a false sense of approval.
Today, I know there's a risk, as should everyone else.
You present some unenforcable standard/testing regime and many will think that settles it.

Sort of like all the online headlight vedors claiming to sell D.O.T. approved xenon projector retrofit kits.
They don't exist, but people think thaey are buying them.

 

[DC2]

Is there a thread someone can point me to about this Ms T's Bakery issue?

Her's was a respected business for quite some time after she broke away from My Freedom Smokes.
And I have ordered from her a few times with no issues.

I guess I'm a bit out of the loop on what happened.

 

[Underwhelmed]

Is there a thread someone can point me to about this Ms T's Bakery issue?

Her's was a respected business for quite some time after she broke away from My Freedom Smokes.
And I have ordered from her a few times with no issues.

I guess I'm a bit out of the loop on what happened.

Here ya go DC2-http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/574529-ms-ts-bakery-juices-anyone-else-experiencing-much-longer-delay-then-posted.html

I never bought from there and haven't read the thread, just kept seeing it pop up.

 

[Racehorse]

How do you verify the test results

Perhaps you are not familiar with one of the top premier laboratories in the US, one of their divisions does testing for hospitals, this one will test eliquids. They also have a bioanalytical division (Tandem). They are huge.

This was brought up in Dr. F's study topic.

It was an important topic and is now closed, (and not sticked), so I will just provide the link, lest it disappear to page 100.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/517858-donate-dr-farsalinos-new-study.html

name of lab is Enthalpy Analytics, Inc.

Unless you think an independent lab would have reason to fake test results, they are highly well respected.

You present some unenforcable standard/testing regime and many will think that settles it.

I didn't *present* it. The researchers did. Let me make that crystal clear.

Without a test, there is no way that a vendor can tell you there aren't diacetlys diketones in the elquid.

I am not the author of that sentence. But Keep dancing.

By the way, the ECITA test is not limited to just AP and DA, it also tests for other substances with known inhalation risks.

 

[ST Dog]

name of lab is Enthalpy Analytics, Inc.

Unless you think an independent lab would have reason to fake test results, they are highly well respected.

I don't distrust the lab (though other posts suggest that the detection method is not sensitive enough).

My point was how do you verify the results that the vendor posts?
I go to Joe's e-juice and he has results posted. Are they real? What proves that?
What prevents him for modifying results from another test and posting them as being his liquid?

If I can't trust him when he says it's clean, I can't trust the results he posts either.
If he claims to follow some standard with respect to his production, I can't prove that either.

Only if I (or someone I trust) send sample in for testing myself do I have proof that the results are real.
Only if I (or someone I trust) visit the facility can I varify production controls/standards.

See also the SB issue, where 2 confilcting sets of results are out there.


Do you verify with the state that every vendor is actially licensed?
Again he can post that he is, and post a picture of said license. Photoshop is cheap and easy to use.

 

[irwink]

I've been mostly diy'ing my juice for awhile now and therefore out of the "vendor info loop" so I'm a bit surprised to read about the demise of Ms. T's Bakery. When I started vaping she was one of the most highly regarded juice vendors around despite longer than usual ship times.

 

[Underwhelmed]

{REMOVED}

Pretty sure the point of the thread was that this vendor is committing fraud by not shipping juice people here have paid for.

 

[Racehorse]

Pretty sure the point of the thread was that this vendor is committing fraud by not shipping juice people here have paid for.

Yes. But fraudulent types tend to be frauds in other areas. This company has a long history on Rip Off reports, as well as here. Nic levels were off by a mile, and even worse, the juice is.........well I'll let you look : blink::

Look at the photo of the juice bottle: Post #46, looks pretty horrifying
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-extracted-tobacco-finally-tried-again-2.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/480148-juice-companies-avoid.html
Post #16
Post #15

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=26886987


I have no idea why vapers want to protect vendors like this, and yes, *clues* are if you are not even registered as a business in your state, those things SHOULD send up RED FLAGS to consumers, and I am just posting these things to make people aware of what kinds of things we should not be supporting.

If any of you thinks these kinds of businesses help vaping, think again.

Read Kurt's post #61
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-extracted-tobacco-finally-tried-again-2.html

ElixerTV:
http://usaconsumercomplaints.com/sh...sh-for-orders-and-does-not-send-them-out.html

Gawd, another "OMG, what's in the juice" thread. Ridiculous. So let me get this straight, this guy gets popped for gaming social security so his ejuice MUST now be suspect. You people have lost your minds.

You need to look a little further into things..... I can't provide all the links but there are some to get you started.


Please everyone, check carefully into vendors. If they are not registered as a business, etc. your alarms should go off.....lest you be ripped off, or even worse, poisoned.

 

[LadiLauri]

I don't know how recent it is, but he has actually moved up by Plattsburg, NY. VERY close to Canada