CDC & FDA roll out media scare re kids vaping based on 2014 NYTS data

[DrMA]

http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/ProtectingKidsfromTobacco/ucm405173.htm

Reaction from AVA:
http://vaping.info/news/2015/nyts-again-finds-dramatic-declines-in-youth-smoking-as-vaping-increases

 

[curious8]

This is such BS because the article also states that the rise in vaping may well have influenced the decline in teen smoking: here's the NY Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/h....html?emc=edit_na_20150416&nlid=53545873&_r=0

 

[AndriaD]

I can't even figure out what they're talking about anymore. They seem to use the phrase "tobacco user" to mean vaping too, even though being a vaper generally means NOT being a tobacco user. And actually, from their stats, I'd suspect that they mean a 'tobacco user" is anyone who's ever caught a whiff of tobacco smoke, or vapor, in their lifetime.


Andria

 

[DrMA]

I can't even figure out what they're talking about anymore. They seem to use the phrase "tobacco user" to mean vaping too, even though being a vaper generally means NOT being a tobacco user. And actually, from their stats, I'd suspect that they mean a 'tobacco user" is anyone who's ever caught a whiff of tobacco smoke, or vapor, in their lifetime.


Andria

exactly, Andria. FDA defines vaping as tobacco product, then issues alarmist drivel saying "total tobacco product use is increasing". Of course, if you classify the cure the same as the problem, you'll never see the benefits.

 

[navigator2011]

Notice the treatment of e-cigs as merely another tobacco product, indistinguishable from cigars and hookah. I wondering if chewing nicotine gum is also using a tobacco product? If so, then why isn't nicotine chewing gum included in the data?

It just never seems to occur to these guys that there's a certain segment of society, including under 18s, that are going to imbibe nicotine is some form or another, and that it's better they do it with vapor rather than with smoke.

 

[AndriaD]

exactly, Andria. FDA defines vaping as tobacco product, then issues alarmist drivel saying "total tobacco product use is increasing". Of course, if you classify the cure the same as the problem, you'll never see the benefits.

It's exactly like saying that attending an AA meeting is the same as getting drunk.

Andria

 

[Moonbogg]

The chart makes is clear that young people choose vapor products over the more harmful cigarettes. Why in the hell is this a problem again? If they take them away, those smoking numbers will just go right back up.

 

[CarolT]

Considering that only a proportion of seniors in high school are even legally allowed to buy cigarettes, this survey doesn't reveal what they will eventually choose to do when that artificial barrier is removed.

Here's the report published in MMWR.
Tobacco Use Among Middle and High School Students — United States, 2011–2014

 

[Marc411]

I wish we could get the supporting data and studies they have to support the information they are publishing. Should this be covered in the freedom for information.

Dr.MA, have you ever requested the supporting studies and documentation?

 

[DrMA]

I wish we could get the supporting data and studies they have to support the information they are publishing. Should this be covered in the freedom for information.

Dr.MA, have you ever requested the supporting studies and documentation?

The data will be made available (eventually) on this website. Notice that you can already download older data (1999-2013)
CDC - National Youth Tobacco Survey (NYTS) - Smoking & Tobacco Use

 

[Grimwald]

Expect this to show up in all of the usual media places...here's the Huffingtonpost article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/16/e-cigarettes-smoking-health_n_7080548.html

 

[mctess]

All of this negative information is really starting to steamroll out into the news more and more each day. Get the general public behind them so that, when they bring down the hammer later this year, everyone will agree they need to shut down this entire industry for the good of the world.. or "the new world order" or some kind of b.s. along those lines...same kind of b.s. that's been going on with everything these last several years. At this point, I can't see these "new regulations" being anything short of devastating for the vaping industry. I hope I'm wrong, but with the rate these negative stories are coming out, it's to get the majority thinking this is a bad product so that when they step in and crush us, most people will think they have done a good thing. I'm sick of the people, whose salaries I help pay, telling me what I can and cannot do.

 

[Kent C]

Reason - Jacob Sullum

Smoking and Vaping Keep Moving in Opposite Directions Among Teenagers - Hit & Run : Reason.com

 

[mupuinen]

What bugs me with these studies is that they don't ask the kids are they using e-liquid containing nicotine. My brother is 19 and his e-cig using friends are all using 0 mg juice. If they don't know these kids are actually using nicotine, how can they categorize e-cigs with tobacco?

 

[Kent C]

What bugs me with these studies is that they don't ask the kids are they using e-liquid containing nicotine. My brother is 19 and his e-cig using friends are all using 0 mg juice. If they don't know these kids are actually using nicotine, how can they categorize e-cigs with tobacco?

Same here with my nephew's friends - same age.... no nic is 'it', says he.

 

[philoshop]

What bugs me with these studies is that they don't ask the kids are they using e-liquid containing nicotine. My brother is 19 and his e-cig using friends are all using 0 mg juice. If they don't know these kids are actually using nicotine, how can they categorize e-cigs with tobacco?

You answered your own question
The only slim thread of hope they have in classifying ecigs as 'a tobacco product' is that the juice might contain nicotine. If the juice contains no nicotine they'll have to completely reconstruct and resubmit their pro-regulatory argument.
They've come too far with their fight to let reality start seeping in, therefore they simply don't ask questions which might have answers they don't want to hear.

 

[ckquatt]

It was on CBS evening news last night. They had the information all wrong... my wife was looking at me all crazy while I was watching it. After everything they said I was like "Lie.... there are studies... another lie.... BS..." LOL!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-reveals-alarming-news-about-teen-e-cigarette-use/

 

[DampMop]

Failed.

I noted that the original picture talks about those who 'used' tobacco products in the last 30 days.

The number of people who 'tried' ecigs or the tobacco products listed means nothing. How many go on to abuse is important.

If youth are trying ecigs and not getting addicted, instead of trying cigs and getting addicted, then 'use in the last 30 days' is irrelevant at best, explicitly misleading at worst.

This doesn't even account for the differences in harm between ecigs and the listed tobacco products with further complicates the issue.

Sigh. My background is a technical one, I love numbers, data and statistics. They are useful, interesting, fun and truly neutral - when not being twisted by the corrupt who have no desire for the truth.

But seriously, no one will fall for this. Right? .. Hello? ..

Damnit.

 

[skoony]

Failed.

I noted that the original picture talks about those who 'used' tobacco products in the last 30 days.

The number of people who 'tried' ecigs or the tobacco products listed means nothing. How many go on to abuse is important.

If youth are trying ecigs and not getting addicted, instead of trying cigs and getting addicted, then 'use in the last 30 days' is irrelevant at best, explicitly misleading at worst.

This doesn't even account for the differences in harm between ecigs and the listed tobacco products with further complicates the issue.

Sigh. My background is a technical one, I love numbers, data and statistics. They are useful, interesting, fun and truly neutral - when not being twisted by the corrupt who have no desire for the truth.

But seriously, no one will fall for this. Right? .. Hello? ..

Damnit.

unfortunately the 80% who don't smoke and also don't
really care one way or the other will believe it.
its not their ox being gored.

mike

 

[AndriaD]

I was at my parents' house last weekend -- as previously noted elsewhere, my stepfather is recovering from a heart attack and triple bypass, and my mom hasn't been well, or really able to get out of her wheelchair, in years, so we went up to just lend a hand wherever needed, and give other family members a rest. A lady in their neighborhood was there, bringing them food which apparently is a whole-neighborhood effort, and as I vaped, she gave me a really odd look -- but as I've noted, my indoor-vaping isn't troubling my mom's COPD whatsoever, so naturally it's not going to bother my stepfather. I was just waiting for that lady to say something, but she never did. So I very graciously didn't either. Who knows, maybe she was just curious about it, but didn't really know me, so didn't ask; but I'd be willing to bet that she was thinking "why are you doing that around your stepfather who just had a heart attack?" Let's see, is it because I hate him and want him to die? Nope. Could it be... because it's not harmful in the least to be around someone vaping?

Andria