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[pennysmalls]

Could be. I've lived in So. Cal, Ohio mostly, but spent some time in the South in the Army, so I know all 'types' - they aren't all the same as the promoted stereotypes, but there are certain individuals who display them well :- ) In So. Cal and SF too :- ) In general, I find Southerners are smarter than is usually portrayed and more honest - and while honesty can be "hurtful" to some, I prefer that over, say, the feigned 'politeness' of the North East .... a hold-over from the English most likely, but it's funnier when they do it. lol.... I think we've covered and insulted about everyone now, so I'll leave it at that. For those in the Pacific Northwest, along the Canadian border and the South West - you get a pass on this one.

I haven't travelled enough to get to the know the different types from all over. I will say though that my area has changed some in the past twenty years, the die hards are all getting old and their offspring (I'm married to one) who still stick to grandpa's values are becoming fewer and almost far between. We still have that certain "flavor" here but it's not as strong as it once was. Although it's still strong enough to be a problem to me. I have no problem insulting people who have values that cause harm, after all how can it be considered a value if it does harm? I've reasoned that away nicely for myself lol!

 

[Kent C]

I have no problem insulting people who have values that cause harm, after all how can it be considered a value if it does harm?

If it does actual harm, it can't. If it only affects sensibilities, then that's another matter. Sissies come in a few different forms, perhaps - those who don't smoke and those who are way too easily offended.

 

[stevegmu]

Sounds a lot like nanny statism. It starts with restricting speech, then taking away the guns...

 

[pennysmalls]

Good story, Penny. Well, as the old saying goes "The old learn from the young," I come from a family of ex-smokers. It was my son who turned me on to vaping which, in my case is a lif-saving occurence. I smoked for decades and when I started vsping, I never had an analog from that point on. I'm 67, so cool is not an issue with me, but I'm sure some of my peers look at me like I'm from Pluto or something. No matter, I know vaping has helped me kick a nasty and deadly habit and is a whole lot more fun than burning holes in carpet, clothes, etc., and stinking all the time. Some of my vendors are in places like you live now, so attitudes do change.

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I just vaped in front of some of my co-workers for the first time last week and talk about awkward! They were all out for a smoke break and I walked up with my Reo and I felt like I was from Pluto. Not one word from one of them. They all like me so were being polite I think but I got the feeling they thought it was suspicious looking. Smokers are from mars and vapers from pluto maybe lol!

Good on you for switching, I know for some people the switch is not easy but you did it in one day. I did too. I liked vaping that much. I was uncertain about how it would go after 28 years of smoking but I had not one problem. I do wonder what makes it so difficult for some and not for others.

 

[pennysmalls]

If it does actual harm, it can't. If it only affects sensibilities, then that's another matter.

I was trying to bold just this part but it wouldn't bold for me so I just quoted it instead.

Agree with the quote but then you have those who know that distinction but don't apply it to their personal views, only to the views of others. It's like they become blind to that part of themselves, they literally cannot see it. When their views hurt another person that other person is just being a baby or is ignorant. But when they themselves get hurt by the views of someone else then the world is a messed up place and there's no hope for human kind. This is what I see all over the place and in so many people and it makes it very difficult to navigate through life with my sanity intact. This is one reason I have to take breaks from reading these studies and articles that get shared here on ECF, I don't want to pull my hair out.

 

[Kent C]

Agree with the quote but then you have those who know that distinction but don't apply it to their personal views, only to the views of others.

If someone doesn't differentiate between actual harm vs. harming sensibilities, then yeah, they won't see either side. But those who only see the 'offend sensibilities' and equate it to actual harm, then they're going to have a rough time of it, unless or until they make the differentiation. And in that case it's really all on them. If one is normally in 'victim mode', then anyone will fit the 'offender' role, whether they are offensive or not.

While it is said that if you are a hammer, everything is a nail, but the same is true the other way - if you're a nail then everything is a hammer.

 

[stevegmu]

Those offended by seeing something have no business complaining about those offended by vaping...

 

[zoiDman]

Those offended by seeing something have no business complaining about those offended by vaping...

I Think I am Offended by this Post.

That. Or I agree with it.

 

[pennysmalls]

Those offended by seeing something have no business complaining about those offended by vaping...

Well, that'll take us into a bottomless rabbit hole.

 

[sofarsogood]

I just vaped in front of some of my co-workers for the first time last week and talk about awkward!

A coworker standing with the smokers is how I learned about ecigs. I didn't ask about it for a couple weeks and it was a couple weeks more before I asked for advice. I was so insecure I asked him to front me the same $15 vape pen he had, which he kindly did. Now there are 5 of us vaping in the shop. The remaining smokers may be a bit uncomfortable having us around, hard to say. But we are allowed to vape on the shop floor and that's a very nice amenity we hope does not go away.

 

[zoiDman]

Well, that'll take us into a bottomless rabbit hole.

Yeah... About the Only thing that could have been Better is if Steve had accused either the Liberals or the Conservatives of doing it the most.

 

[pennysmalls]

A coworker standing with the smokers is how I learned about ecigs. I didn't ask about it for a couple weeks and it was a couple weeks more before I asked for advice. I was so insecure I asked him to front me the same $15 vape pen he had, which he kindly did. Now there are 5 of us vaping in the shop. The remaining smokers may be a bit uncomfortable having us around, hard to say. But we are allowed to vape on the shop floor and that's a very nice amenity we hope does not go away.

I thought about that incident afterwards and decided I'm going to do it more often because I'm the curious type and I want to see if any of them cave and ask questions. They have to be curious, at least a little. I'll make sure I show up with a strong fruity flavor they can smell. Like my Surebert, rainbow sherbert lol! This is a bunch of middle aged women who, if they're anything like me, still have a raging sweet tooth.

 

[sofarsogood]

I thought about that incident afterwards and decided I'm going to do it more often because I'm the curious type and I want to see if any of them cave and ask questions. They have to be curious, at least a little. I'll make sure I show up with a strong fruity flavor they can smell. Like my Surebert, rainbow sherbert lol! This is a bunch of middle aged women who, if they're anything like me, still have a raging sweet tooth.

I stopped dual using so I would have more credibility with other smokers. Lately my best argument is vaping can be free for practical purposes which I can back up because now I'm doing DIY and that's going to cost me $45 a year. It takes a lot of days of work for most people to pay their cigarette bill. It's hard to ignore the economic issues. Smokers can save money by rolling their own but I can make a month of liquid, equal to 4 cartons (800 cigarettes) in about 10 minutes and the cost of materials is $3.60.

 

[Robmidi]

I Think I am Offended by this Post.

That. Or I agree with it.

I'm not offended by it. I'm offended by the offendee or the offendor, depending upon the offense; or the defense. Oh wait...somehow I tangented into football. Sorry about that. Don't be offended....I'm not, or am I? I don't know. What's for dinner? [emoji23] [emoji33] [emoji30] [emoji32] [emoji33] [emoji39] [emoji42] [emoji42] [emoji42] [emoji39] [emoji39] [emoji39] [emoji43] [emoji43] [emoji43] [emoji41] [emoji48]

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[skoony]

That cool factor combined with vapings superiority in the flavor department will steal these kids away from the tobacco industry.

I agree. Having smoked flavored cigarettes back in the the day and more recently the
little flavored cigars when funds ran low I can state with out reservation aside from cherry
and menthol flavor all the rest tasted really, really, bad. I am beginning to believe those who
say the flavors in e-juice may be attractive to underage users. The difference between flavors
is magnitudes of order better in e-cigs. I still believe despite the new radio PSA of the kid
whom supposedly started with grape flavored little cigars is full of it as they taste the worst.
I still firmly believe that flavors in regular cigarettes never influenced any body to start
smoking. With e-cigs ti might be more of an influence but,still not so much as to be of
a concern to ruin the entire industry.

Regards
Mike

 

[CarolT]

I do think it's a general attitude due to location and local beliefs. I'm originally from the San Fransisco Bay Area and the "atmosphere" here in Indiana is so different. A lot more prejudices and old fashioned thinking going on, at least in my immediate area. It was sort of a culture shock for me when I first moved here over 20 years ago. We have lots of "good ole' boys" flying their Confederate flags from their mud covered jacked up pick up trucks with their girlfriends wearing pink camo. God, country and old fashioned values, even if those values demean and/or hurt others. I do think this attitude is at least partly the fuel behind the kids's attitudes toward vaping. These people tend to cling to the past and it's images of what's cool and don't seem as open to change and vaping is to weird for them I think.

It's the people who live in what the New England oligarchs sneer at as "flyover country" who've been systematically demeaned and hurt. And this isn't a recent thing about how they treat others. I think it dates back to even before the Revolution, when South Carolina was a rival to Massachusetts in power and influence. I was recently made aware of how much my school-days indoctrination about the Revolution is "Massachusetts-centric," as if the whole war was fought in the northeastern states, especially Massachusetts! Actually more battles were fought in SC than in any other state.

 

[pennysmalls]

I agree. Having smoked flavored cigarettes back in the the day and more recently the
little flavored cigars when funds ran low I can state with out reservation aside from cherry
and menthol flavor all the rest tasted really, really, bad. I am beginning to believe those who
say the flavors in e-juice may be attractive to underage users. The difference between flavors
is magnitudes of order better in e-cigs. I still believe despite the new radio PSA of the kid
whom supposedly started with grape flavored little cigars is full of it as they taste the worst.
I still firmly believe that flavors in regular cigarettes never influenced any body to start
smoking. With e-cigs ti might be more of an influence but,still not so much as to be of
a concern to ruin the entire industry.

Regards
Mike

I agree with you about the flavors being attractive. My son, a never smoker, vapes because of the flavors. He did try cigarettes in the past but thought they were blah, thank goodness. I also believe, though, that vaping would still attract the younger crowd even if all liquids were unflavored. Anything taboo is going to be attractive. Another part of why I think so is that I believe many people have an innate attraction to putting things to mouth. Babies are born with a powerful rooting reflex and I think lots of us never completely outgrow that instinct. And when youngsters, newborn through the toddlers years, get upset something is stuck in their mouth to soothe them. I know it sounds strange but after observing my own kids and many others over the years, including adults who I know still suck their thumbs at night, I think it's something that does stay with us to varying degrees. So I do think that plays a role in why some of the older kids take up smoking and vaping to begin with. Just a theory I have. I'd like to know how many smokers/vapers were breastfed lol!

 

[DC2]

Those offended by seeing something have no business complaining about those offended by vaping...

I see a lot of things that offend my sensibilities and/or my beliefs.
I think we all do.

It's no so much those that are offended by seeing certain things.
It's more about those that try to change laws to protect themselves from being offended.

 

[Endor]

I just vaped in front of some of my co-workers for the first time last week and talk about awkward! They were all out for a smoke break and I walked up with my Reo and I felt like I was from Pluto. Not one word from one of them. They all like me so were being polite I think but I got the feeling they thought it was suspicious looking. Smokers are from mars and vapers from pluto maybe lol!

I traveled a lot on business with my previous employer, often to out-of-the-way international locations. If you think you felt a bit out of place in Indiana, try whipping out your box mod and RTA in a place like Bulgaria or Malta.... boy did I get some weird looks! Worse yet, I couldn't understand what they were saying about me, either!

Back on-topic. Although i would agree that having young people vape instead of smoke does have a net benefit to public health, it continues to give fodder to the ANTZ groups about the attractiveness of the product, labeling, flavors, etc. It's not helpful to us.

But, mone of these reports specifically address the use of nicotine-containing e-liquid. We don't know how many of those people who use e-cigs use zero-nic, or even very low nic. If a 16 year old is using zero-nic, then what harm is really done other than offending somebody because it "looks like smoking" and hence somehow normalizes it.

Myself, I think a lot of this experimentation by under 18s is because it's trendy with a little bit of rebellion in the mix. Living in SoCal, which has become an epicenter of "hipster vaping culture", I see it in every vape shop.... 18 year olds blowing clouds with trendy mods and drippers, and when they're not blowing clouds they're building some ridiculously complex coil at the front counter. Worse, the vape shops here are now catering to them, many selling only low-nic eliquid (6mg and below). They no longer care about me, the mid-40s ex-smoker who still prefers mouth-to-lung with 12mg.