Chain vaping: What's the amp draw of standard vaping?

[Bennylava]

Hi all. What are the highest mah batteries can I get for normal vaping on my Vamo? If I had to guess, I'm thinking that typical VV vaping is done at about a max of 5 amps drawn per vape on the ol vape stick. That sound about right?

If so, what's the highest mah battery out there that actually stays "in the zone". IE, stays at its good voltage for the longest before dropping off and needing to be recharged. I've noticed that's the point when my vape begins to suffer. I'm a chain vaper, so I'm looking for the highest mah rating on an 18650 that's actually legit. I know that there are a lot of crap batteries out there. And those are to be avoided. So what's the highest mah I can legitimately get, that actually do what they say, for standard vaping on a Vamo?

I found these. I saw that big battery thread and a lot of people seem to think the "AX" is a staple battery for vaping. Is this what they are referring to?

http://www.amazon.com/UltraFire-380...8&qid=1386016933&sr=1-3&keywords=ultrafire+AX

 

[Traver]

Such a simple question. Here a simple answer for the highest rating and 5 watt vaping.
Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mAh Protected Button Top.
Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mAh Protected Button Top - Batteries

Now lets put the question in a different context. What do you value most, Safety, longest running time, price or how long that battery will last in terms of months or years. Perhaps a compromise. Then I would say;
Panasonic High Drain NCR18650PF Hybrid 2900mAh
Panasonic NCR18650PF 2900 mAh

Or this which I guess might the be the safest and the longest lasting battery.
AW IMR 18650 3.7v 2000mAh
AW IMR 18650 2000mAh

 

[Bennylava]

Thank you for the reply. I guess what I'm looking for, would be longest running time (mah), and how many years I'll own them. Before they're dead and I trash 'em. Lets say I want to keep them for a minimum of 1 year.

As for safety, I won't be using these batteries to cloud chase, or sub ohm vape. So is safety really still a concern with good quality, well known batteries? Obviously I won't be buying those "5000 mah" batteries cause we all know its probably just bullcrap. I'll be sticking to those that are at least somewhat well known, and when it comes to just standard vaping on a Vamo, I don't think that exploding the battery is really a concern. Or is it? Again, taking for granted that I purchase average quality batteries.

 

[Traver]

I use the Panasonic NCR18650PF 2900 mAh all the above are good batteries.
Mine are fro orbtronics because they ma ke the button top which is needed for the Provari and because of their reputation. The free shipping also helped.

Almost all mods today are vented so they wouldn't explode. violent thermal runways still happen especially with mechanicals. Either from shorts in the carto or a short within a damaged battery. A battery can be damaged just by dropping it, from overcharging, over-draining or stressing the battery by using above it's discharge ratting. A bad charger can do it too. With any of these the damage may not be apparent and the battery could go off any time. It could happen while vaping, charging or just sitting somewhere.
The odds are way against it but it does happen and the damage could catastrophic, like burning your house down. The risk is small and with a little effort and knowledge it can be even smaller.

 

[Bennylava]

Would you say that mah rating is accurate? And is there any way that someone could really tell me, how high the mah goes on the 18650 batteries these days? In reality, I mean. You can buy 5000 mah, but we all know that's fake. Whats the highest REAL mah that you can get? Something tells me its probably only about 2200 mah.

 

[BardicDruid]

For a VV/VW you'll want a 10A at least, the Panasonic NCR18650PD or NCR18650PF is your best bet.

 

[KenD]

The Panasonics are supposed to be accurate, and the 3400 mAh Pany is probably the most mAh you can get out of an 18650. I think they are 2c, so that would be around 6.8 amp, which should be more than enough for the Vamo (and almost any other VV/VW mod). Don't get a protected one though, might interfere with the Vamo's own protection circuit (I seem to remember that the unprotected Pany 18650 is hybrid chemistry so it's relatively safe). What I don't remember is if they need to be charged higher than 4.2v to get full use of them.

Need to point out that I'm in no way an expert on batteries, nor do I have any actual experience of the Panasonics.

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[Traver]

The Panasonics are supposed to be accurate, and the 3400 mAh Pany is probably the most mAh you can get out of an 18650. I think they are 2c, so that would be around 6.8 amp, which should be more than enough for the Vamo (and almost any other VV/VW mod). Don't get a protected one though, might interfere with the Vamo's own protection circuit (I seem to remember that the unprotected Pany 18650 is hybrid chemistry so it's relatively safe). What I don't remember is if they need to be charged higher than 4.2v to get full use of them.
Need to point out that I'm in no way an expert on batteries, nor do I have any actual experience of the Panasonics.

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The NCR18650PD and NCR18650PF are hybrid chemistry. I don't remember the 3400 being listed as hybrid anywhere. This not the kind of thing to guess about.

 

[Bennylava]

I was under the impression that most people are just popping in any old 18650 that they can get their hands on. Into their VV mods, anyway. From what I've been reading in the battery threads, that seems to be the case.

 

[Traver]

I was under the impression that most people are just popping in any old 18650 that they can get their hands on. Into their VV mods, anyway. From what I've been reading in the battery threads, that seems to be the case.

That is probably what most people do. Then again that cheap battery may have to be replaced in 3 or 4 months and a greater chance of a thermal runnay.
Panasonic 3400mAh 18650, NCR18650PD and NCR18650PF are three of the good batteries on this thread and you can use any one of them. The NCR18650PD and NCR18650PF are high drain hybrid batteries and offer a larger margin of safety. AW also makes good batteries.

You can read i bit about batteris here;
Types of Lithium-ion Batteries

 

[Bennylava]

I bought those panasonic 3400 mah ones. My goal was the highest real mah I could get. Is there any question as to whether or not they're really 3400 mah? If so, I'll post my results up here. Good, bad, or ugly.

 

[Traver]

The testing that has been done by flashlight hobbyist show that they are 3400 milliamps. With that in mind lithium batteries perform on a curve. The more or amps or watts you are using the farther they move from that rating. The faster they are discharged the higher their internal resistance and they are using some of those milliamps to overcome that internal resistance.

 

[mackman]

You can find many different comparative performance charts here CandlePowerForums.
For your purpose you would be hard pressed to find a better performer than an AW 18650 1600mah

 

[Bennylava]

But are those any better than the panasonics? They certainly don't last as long. Perhaps they hold 3.7v right up until the end?

 

[BardicDruid]

I bought those panasonic 3400 mah ones. My goal was the highest real mah I could get. Is there any question as to whether or not they're really 3400 mah? If so, I'll post my results up here. Good, bad, or ugly.

As I said earlier, you can't use those, the max Amperage is too low, you need a minimum of 10A because the circuitry in a VV/VW draws more Amps than just a coil. You need the Panasonic NCR18650PD or NCR18650PF, they have a max current of 10A.

 

[Traver]

As I said earlier, you can't use those, the max Amperage is too low, you need a minimum of 10A because the circuitry in a VV/VW draws more Amps than just a coil. You need the Panasonic NCR18650PD or NCR18650PF, they have a max current of 10A.

This battrey has a continuous discharge rate of 6.8amps. That seems be enough for what he wants. Personally I would use the 2900 hybrid and that is what I would recommend.

The specs are here.
Panasonic 18650 3400mah NCR18650B battery cell

I'd like to hear your view on why it is in not suitable for average vaping.

 

[Bennylava]

I went ahead and got the panny 3400 mahs. Turns out my friend has been using them on his vamo since Vamo has been around. No problems. There should be a way to figger out exactly what the max amp draw of a wide range of vv setups is. Most vv's let you use down to a 1.5 ohm coil, and let you go up to about 15 watts. At least, that's all the ones I've ever seen. There are the exceptions of course, but they're not the norm. So there should be a max amp draw that setup could possibly produce. My guess is that it isn't much.

 

[Traver]

Use this to get the amps;
Ohm's Law Calculator