Chalice III

[Sloth Tonight]

Being used to top air attys, I guarantee I will oversquonk lots while getting used to the Chalice

I just built an RM2 for S&G--couldn't help it. Been a long time. The draw is so tight but the flavor's really good

 

[Mactavish]

I'm sure you are aware of the controversy regarding sub-ohm vaping, so depending on what one wants to believe, since we are in the infancy of real research, it's not a bad thing to vape at lower voltages, besides the flavor issue. I tried sub ohm vaping, didn't like the heat, used up battery power quicker even on my larger regulated mods, as well as going through lots more juice, granted if you make your own, that cost is not as big a factor. Many debate you get more flavor at low ohms, I just never found that to be true for me, and there is a camp that agrees. What I do believe early research has proven, is for nicotine absorption, most of it comes from the mouth, then the lungs, so you don't lose anything in that regard and may come out ahead. Granted if one is inhaling huge clouds of vapor, that might offset the amount a MTL'er gets in terms of nic. I'm happy to be a MTL vapor, as I still believe our lungs don't like inhaling anything more then fresh air.

As far as "over sqonking", I go between over and under, it's a bit harder with the tiny 3ml bottle in my Reo Mini, it does not take much of a press, that and the great design of the Chalice, means I just have to be smart and pay attention when I sqonk.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I will likely never MTL vape; I lung inhaled cigs and I lung inhale vape. I know there is a controversy and I think it's bunk - my .3 setups are no hotter a vape than my 1 ohm setups, because I adjust airflow accordingly. As long as the wick is keeping up with the heat, I don't see how it could be any worse/better, but that's just me, and I'm not even one to care (it's likely 99% healthier than smoking no matter how I vape).

But I personally am finding that the sheer amount of vapor I get off my current setups is irritating to the throat in the longer term - and all that vapor is not necessary by any means for good flavor. Though some of my juices definitely do come alive in the heat - the Peeps, in particular, need 50+ watts to shine. But not all of em are like that...

I thus embark upon a journey to open my mind, try out old setups, new setups, and find a sweet spot between my preferred way of vaping (lung hit, be it restrictive or open), the flavor of the vape, and battery consumption

This little RM2's kicking right now at .7 ohms with twisted 29g 2mm coil. Flavor wise it's just insane. I had forgotten how good of a vape can be had from this thing...glad the Chalice is going to be a tad airier though, for sure.

 

[Mactavish]

Now, with the Chalice III, I put the legs on the inside of the posts, tighten down the screws really well, then I twist the excess wire off. They break off closer to the posts than I could ever get by clipping them.

Just an alternative POV. Before I got into building coils, I saw PBusardo twisting to break off wire, seemed cool, then read some opinions of builders to be careful if you use that technique, as you may twist or loosen your posts. That advise may only pertain to certain attys, but it's something to keep in mind, I assume the thicker the wire, the more violent the twisting may be. I bought those close clip cutters the big boy builders recommended, as good or better then nail clippers, for about $10. So far working fine for me in tight places, I do inspect any left over wire, never much when you cut close, and I press any I find close to the post, if needed. A final read on a meter lets me know there are no shorts. The Chalice may have rock solid posts, but it's an expensive, beautiful piece I don't want to challenge to find out.

 

[Mactavish]

I will likely never MTL vape; I lung inhaled cigs and I lung inhale vape. I know there is a controversy and I think it's bunk - my .3 setups are no hotter a vape than my 1 ohm setups, because I adjust airflow accordingly. As long as the wick is keeping up with the heat, I don't see how it could be any worse/better, but that's just me, and I'm not even one to care (it's likely 99% healthier than smoking no matter how I vape).

But I personally am finding that the sheer amount of vapor I get off my current setups is irritating to the throat in the longer term - and all that vapor is not necessary by any means for good flavor. Though some of my juices definitely do come alive in the heat - the Peeps, in particular, need 50+ watts to shine. But not all of em are like that...

I thus embark upon a journey to open my mind, try out old setups, new setups, and find a sweet spot between my preferred way of vaping (lung hit, be it restrictive or open), the flavor of the vape, and battery consumption

This little RM2's kicking right now at .7 ohms with twisted 29g 2mm coil. Flavor wise it's just insane. I had forgotten how good of a vape can be had from this thing...glad the Chalice is going to be a tad airier though, for sure.

Having an open mind and experimenting is why I always value your posts and feedback, have learned a lot from you, THANKS!

 

[JC Okie]

Just an alternative POV. Before I got into building coils, I saw PBusardo twisting to break off wire, seemed cool, then read some opinions of builders to be careful if you use that technique, as you may twist or loosen your posts. That advise may only pertain to certain attys, but it's something to keep in mind, I assume the thicker the wire, the more violent the twisting may be. I bought those close clip cutters the big boy builders recommended, as good or better then nail clippers, for about $10. So far working fine for me in tight places, I do inspect any left over wire, never much when you cut close, and I press any I find close to the post, if needed. A final read on a meter lets me know there are no shorts. The Chalice may have rock solid posts, but it's an expensive, beautiful piece I don't want to challenge to find out.

That makes sense, and thanks for the heads up. I'm using 28 and 29 gauge wire, so maybe that's why I've gotten by with it. And...I tighten the screws down well both before and after. BUT.....do you have a link for where to get those close clip cutters you're talking about?

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I must correct myself - I do MTL sometimes when the draw is this tight (RM2), but, when I do, it's really not even so much MTL as "M." Sometimes I pull vapor into my mouth and blow it out between perched lips, or open my mouth and let it sift slowly upwards into my nostrils. I actually, juice dependent (but more often than not), get the best flavor this way. When I blow through perched lips, I fully taste the juice; it just saturates my buds. When I let it sift upwards, I feel the sense of smell comes into play w/r/t the taste. This is an experience I have greatly missed with my open air setups (because if I close the air down to enable this kind of inhalation, they're usually too hot for my liking).

I wish I liked MTL itself. But the way it hits my throat is unpleasant.

Hey Mactavish, I'm in NY too - Adirondacks. Salutations fellow NY'er

 

[Mactavish]

I must correct myself - I do MTL sometimes when the draw is this tight (RM2), but, when I do, it's really not even so much MTL as "M." Sometimes I pull vapor into my mouth and blow it out between perched lips, or open my mouth and let it sift slowly upwards into my nostrils. I actually, juice dependent (but more often than not), get the best flavor this way. When I blow through perched lips, I fully taste the juice; it just saturates my buds. When I let it sift upwards, I feel the sense of smell comes into play w/r/t the taste. This is an experience I have greatly missed with my open air setups (because if I close the air down to enable this kind of inhalation, they're usually too hot for my liking).

I wish I liked MTL itself. But the way it hits my throat is unpleasant.

Hey Mactavish, I'm in NY too - Adirondacks. Salutations fellow NY'er

You live where the real AIR is! I have property in the Catskills, not bad either. As someone else posted, they vape the same juice as you on their Chalice, so hopefully it will meet your needs. I'm still searching for a favorite everyday juice, and it's been years now. Going to start making my own basic blend, save money too!

I will say this, don't know why, but compared to my only other RBA, and first, an internal that works inside an Egrip OLED, I have NOT seen the same amount of CRUDE build up on my Chalice coils. Same basic builds, ohms, wire, juice etc. I know the designs are different, but on my previous tanks, with pre-made coils, Kanger, Aspire, etc. I would take them apart to inspect, and lots of crude from sweet juices. I believe this may be an unheralded benefit of sqonking, and one of the reasons I wanted to try it. Easier to clean all components, knowing what wire and wick material is going into my lungs, no more funky, stake, sour tank juice, and the list goes on. At first sqonking appears more difficult, before you own one, but I can tell everyone that as someone with a touch of OCD, this method is far simpler and cleaner. From a far, the tanks on a regulated Chinese mod, seem real easy to use, until you want to fill them, change flavors, and try to clean them. I've had my Reo Mini 14500 for a week now, and have done nothing more then swap bottles to change flavors, and re-wick.

Sorry for the blog rant, I just wish vapors took a look at the advantages of sqonking, solved all my negative issues with vaping up till now. Granted, I know many may never want to get into coil builds, but you can still use disposable 510 atomizers, I just bought one to test.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

You live where the real AIR is! I have property in the Catskills, not bad either. As someone else posted, they vape the same juice as you on their Chalice, so hopefully it will meet your needs. I'm still searching for a favorite everyday juice, and it's been years now. Going to start making my own basic blend, save money too!

I will say this, don't know why, but compared to my only other RBA, and first, an internal that works inside an Egrip OLED, I have NOT seen the same amount of CRUDE build up on my Chalice coils. Same basic builds, ohms, wire, juice etc. I know the designs are different, but on my previous tanks, with pre-made coils, Kanger, Aspire, etc. I would take them apart to inspect, and lots of crude from sweet juices. I believe this may be an unheralded benefit of sqonking, and one of the reasons I wanted to try it. Easier to clean all components, knowing what wire and wick material is going into my lungs, no more funky, stake, sour tank juice, and the list goes on. At first sqonking appears more difficult, before you own one, but I can tell everyone that as someone with a touch of OCD, this method is far simpler and cleaner. From a far, the tanks on a regulated Chinese mod, seem real easy to use, until you want to fill them, change flavors, and try to clean them. I've had my Reo Mini 14500 for a week now, and have done nothing more then swap bottles to change flavors, and re-wick.

Sorry for the blog rant, I just wish vapors took a look at the advantages of sqonking, solved all my negative issues with vaping up till now. Granted, I know many may never want to get into coil builds, but you can still use disposable 510 atomizers, I just bought one to test.

I don't think the less gunking is because of squonking, but rather hand made coils. Pre-made coils in tanks gunk up quick. When we make our own we get better coils (and can build in ways to reduce gunking even further, like larger ID, spaced wraps etc). Squonking may have something to do with it too. I don't understand why more people don't squonk...I've been vaping for about 13 months and squonking 12 of them. Never looked back and never will

 

[Mactavish]

That makes sense, and thanks for the heads up. I'm using 28 and 29 gauge wire, so maybe that's why I've gotten by with it. And...I tighten the screws down well both before and after. BUT.....do you have a link for where to get those close clip cutters you're talking about?

Sorry, I was wrong, they cost less then $5. I think nail cutters would be fine, never had to try them, thinner the wire better. But with these clippers you can get real close to the posts. A good tool to own, in my opinion.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FZPDG1K?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01

 

[Mactavish]

I don't think the less gunking is because of squonking, but rather hand made coils. Pre-made coils in tanks gunk up quick. When we make our own we get better coils (and can build in ways to reduce gunking even further, like larger ID, spaced wraps etc). Squonking may have something to do with it too. I don't understand why more people don't squonk...I've been vaping for about 13 months and squonking 12 of them. Never looked back and never will

My Egrip coils were hand made, 2mm micro close contact, same I'm using now, that RBA is a bit smaller then the Chalice, but the difference in gunk build up is huge, swapping coils daily was a drag. The design may be the biggest difference, as that RBA lives INSIDE the device itself, little holes allow the juice it's sitting in, to get to the atty, so it's more like a tank setup. Squonk on!

 

[Sloth Tonight]

My Egrip coils were hand made, 2mm micro close contact, same I'm using now, that RBA is a bit smaller then the Chalice, but the difference in gunk build up is huge, swapping coils daily was a drag. The design may be the biggest difference, as that RBA lives INSIDE the device itself, little holes allow the juice it's sitting in, to get to the atty, so it's more like a tank setup. Squonk on!

Oh really? Sorry, didn't know what the Egrip is - that's really interesting. Could be that ... well I won't even speculate, other than to agree it must be a design difference. And well, maybe squonking is just so efficient...no extra juice sitting around cooking? I dunno but forever Squonkify

 

[JC Okie]

Sorry, I was wrong, they cost less then $5. I think nail cutters would be fine, never had to try them, thinner the wire better. But with these clippers you can get real close to the posts. A good tool to own, in my opinion.

Hakko CHP-170 Micro Soft Wire Cutter, 1.5mm Stand-off, Flush Cut, 2.5mm Hardened Carbon Steel Construction, 21-Degree Angled Jaw, 8mm Jaw Length, 16 Gauge Maximum Cutting Capacity: Side Cutting Pliers: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Thanks, Mactavish.

 

[Spydro]

The Chalice 3 is probably still my favorite atty ever. It will take some getting use to if you've been lung hitting .3 ohm builds, but it's worth it. The quality is just amazing, no possibility of leaking ever (unless you hold it upside down and squonk it to hell), and great flavor/vapor. I actually get just as much vapor from it as any other atty, including 22mm dual coils (but I MTL, and I can really only fit so much vapor in my mouth). One thing to note- the flavor is very different... I wouldn't necessarily say more flavor than some other atties, but all your juices will taste different. Some for the better and some not.
Also, I know a lot of people run them 1 ohm and higher, but I actually prefer .6ohm twisted coil. Give just the right amount of heat for me. So, like with anything, if you're feeling meh about it at 1 ohm, try lower (or higher)- makes a big difference in the Chalice.

Flavor can be controlled by the build to be the same or different, and I feel the vapor is richer in the CIII than in any of my big air atty's.

Definitely curious about the flavor. I wonder what Wakonda tastes like in a Chalice.

I was running Wakonda in two of my Reos. Best of those the OG VVG/RM2 build combo edging out the Mini2.1/Chalice II because of the builds, but the CIII on my new Mini 1.0 has been running nothing but Wakonda since i got it... until this morning. It has been the best of the three running Wakonda for my tastes. This morning I put Mayan Mocha in the Mini/CIII for a try out with this combo. So will see how it does on the same build.

 

[Spydro]

The Chalice 3 is probably still my favorite atty ever. It will take some getting use to if you've been lung hitting .3 ohm builds, but it's worth it. The quality is just amazing, no possibility of leaking ever (unless you hold it upside down and squonk it to hell), and great flavor/vapor. I actually get just as much vapor from it as any other atty, including 22mm dual coils (but I MTL, and I can really only fit so much vapor in my mouth). One thing to note- the flavor is very different... I wouldn't necessarily say more flavor than some other atties, but all your juices will taste different. Some for the better and some not.
Also, I know a lot of people run them 1 ohm and higher, but I actually prefer .6ohm twisted coil. Give just the right amount of heat for me. So, like with anything, if you're feeling meh about it at 1 ohm, try lower (or higher)- makes a big difference in the Chalice.

I'm gonna chime in here....just because I love the Chalice sooooo much. By far my favorite atty. before the Chalice III I was (still am) an RM2 fan just because I'm a single coil, MTL, flavor-chaser. When I over squonk and get a gurgle (not often anymore...you just have to get used to the different squonks on every atty,) I hold a napkin around the Chalice covering the air holes on the AFC ring, then I blow on my drip tip. Juice will clear out through the holes and all is fine.

Sloth, I don't think you'll regret getting a Chalice III. IF you get it and find it's not your bag, you can always sell it. HOWEVER....I'd suggest hanging onto your bill/receipt/paperwork. There are clones out there, and it will be easier (IMHO) to sell if you can prove when/where you bought it. Sad but true. I'm very leary of buying used Chalices IIIs these days....

Of the small footprint atty's the Chalice III IS my favorite, hands down.

 

[BlueSnake]

I have to agree of all the small attys nothing beats the flavor of the Chalice III. It is just amazing.

 

[Henry Etta]

Yep, if you're gonna go small, you better go big!

 

[element77]

I have my first chalice coming and am so excited reading this thread.
I've wanted one since the first, but could never find the availability nor the funds...
I have a VVWoodvil that has been parked on the shelf for quite some time and I'm hoping this is the atty that can bring it back into rotation
I'm a .7 MM readyxwick MTL'r all day every day kinda fella and thanks for all these great posts!

 

[Mactavish]

Welcome aboard "element77". I hope it meets your needs!

BTW: I posted some info about the "Haka 510 Meter", it's working great on the mod, and with the Chalice 3, showing battery voltage, and drop, plus ohms, and wattage. I posted in a few Reo threads, below link is one:

Reo compatible RBAs

 

[Train2]

That right there is probably smack dab in the Chalice "sweet spot".
You're probably going to LOVE it.

I have my first chalice coming and am so excited reading this thread.
I've wanted one since the first, but could never find the availability nor the funds...
I have a VVWoodvil that has been parked on the shelf for quite some time and I'm hoping this is the atty that can bring it back into rotation
I'm a .7 MM readyxwick MTL'r all day every day kinda fella and thanks for all these great posts!