Chalice III

[Train2]

Untested theory - gurgling could be:
- coil placement
- airflow (this I HAVE experienced - a tiny turn, and BAM, it's clear and hitting better)
- wicking - I'm wondering, due to the tiny chamber, if we need to ensure the wick doesn't obstruct air. I'm using a tiny bit of wick, just from the coil and kind of taper-cut to land in the spot where post meets edge of deck (and I'm still getting more draws/squonk than I do from some other tiny atties...).

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

I think some of the gurgling I've experienced was due to wick tails touching the cap and juice migrating to the air hole. Moving the coil in and shorter tails seems to have alleviated almost all of it (but then, I've also been paying more attention to air hole orientation while vaping, too).

 

[Robfisher]

Thanks everyone... will try it tomorrow afternoon... have friends from the USA here with us so paying attention to them... will give all the suggestions a full go when I have some time to play!

 

[keepsmiling]

I built a new coil, 28 ga on a 1/16 @ 1.2 ohms, less wick,adjustment to airflow. It's vaping great again.

 

[Robfisher]

OK it's time to give the Chalice III another go after really disappointing results so far. I have done a bit of research (asked questions in the REO ECF section ;-) ) and it appears that the coil needs to be higher up and away from the edge which is totally opposite to the Cyclone. OK this is a LOT better and that gurgling has gone and the flavour is now there.

Yes it's a hundred times better than it was and yes it's a most beautiful atty and the quality is out of this world. But is it that much better than an RM2 or Cyclone? I don't think so... personally I actually prefer the Cyclone slightly if I'm brutally honest! But now that I have it working lets see how I feel after a day or two.

 

[Bigflyrodder]

I hear ya Rob, been having the same struggles with my Chalice III.

Set it up low, med, high resistance, low, med, high off the deck, close, med, far from air hole and just could not get a satisfying vape from it no matter what combination I ran. Was about to throw the thing the drawer and forget about it for a while. Was getting just OK flavor, absolutely no throat hit, and minimal vapor.

Ended up setting the coil closer to the posts than I would have thought correct and positioned higher than what I would have thought to be center, used absolutely minimal wick, changed juice, and now it is vaping very well. I do still get some gurgle every once in a while and it is harder to get rid of when it starts than one would imagine.

Final verdict still out on these for me but I'll keep trying.

 

[Robfisher]

I hear ya Rob, been having the same struggles with my Chalice III.

Set it up low, med, high resistance, low, med, high off the deck, close, med, far from air hole and just could not get a satisfying vape from it no matter what combination I ran. Was about to throw the thing the drawer and forget about it for a while. Was getting just OK flavor, absolutely no throat hit, and minimal vapor.

Ended up setting the coil closer to the posts than I would have thought correct and positioned higher than what I would have thought to be center, used absolutely minimal wick, changed juice, and now it is vaping very well. I do still get some gurgle every once in a while and it is harder to get rid of when it starts than one would imagine.

Final verdict still out on these for me but I'll keep trying.

I'm glad it's not only me... my favourite juice is a locally produced Menthol Ice to which I add a coconut concentrate to make what I call Tropical Ice... in the RM2 or my favourite Cyclones the flavour is just perfect... but in the Chalice III I get the Menthol Ice but for some reason the coconut seems to disappear? It most definitely changes the taste of the juice no question. I will experiment with different juices because I think that will make a difference.

Spot on with where and how you have your coil now... mine is the same now. Very little gurgling which was driving me out of my mind.

 

[AngiBe]

Place the coil back away from the air hole more in the center of the deck and up even with the post nuts. Here's where I have mine. Keep playing with placement, a 1 mm change can have a dramatic effect.

Also study where the hole is in the inside of the cap, you want to make sure it is up when vaping. So yes you still need to worry about air hole placement when mounting this on the Reo. If I over squonk I will get some gurgling but it clears after a few hits.

Here's a few shots of where I place my coils.

Thanks for these pics and what gauge wire are you using? And your top pic that shows a top down view, wrapping the wire around the post/under the screw...that spot is tight. Apparently, my wire was out a little bit and hit the tapered part of the top cap-thats how I got my short.

I wish it was normal posts with a hole to thread like the Chalice II versus the wrap around. I swear I had the wire nice and tucked in. So instead of coming clockwise with the wire, can it be built coming from the inside then around on both like your left coil is? I'm constantly going to worry now a tiny bit of coil may not be fully wrapped under the screw and may hit the top cap!

It will be awhile before I can try again since my sexy TRA man AND Chalice are on their way to Rob for a check up. So sad My Chalice II is vaping like a beast and I thought was super easy to build on. This Chalice III kicked my ....

 

[Filthy-Beast]

That is 29 gauge wire. Wrapping counter clockwise will be harder to capture the wire since the nut will try to un wrap it as it tightens down. Plus it's probably the left post, wrapped from inside out, that shorted on you. It was the tail after you trimmed the wire that touched the cap.

I've started pulling that leg all the way around so it faces back towards the coil, then I clip the tail. That way the wire is tucked in on the side and the nub of the wire is not on the side.

 

[Filthy-Beast]

For gurgling I've found that pulling the coil away from the side and not having a big tail helps greatly. I still get some gurgling if I give it a healthy squonk but I now have process to quickly clear it.

If I just vape with the air hole up, juice will stay captured inside the air channel built into the top and continue to gurgle. If I turn the air hole down so the excess juice collects near the air hole, then a few draws without firing will suck it on to the deck and out of the air chamber. I then turn it air hole up and vape without the gurgle.

 

[AngiBe]

That is 29 gauge wire. Wrapping counter clockwise will be harder to capture the wire since the nut will try to un wrap it as it tightens down. Plus it's probably the left post, wrapped from inside out, that shorted on you. It was the tail after you trimmed the wire that touched the cap.

I've started pulling that leg all the way around so it faces back towards the coil, then I clip the tail. That way the wire is tucked in on the side and the nub of the wire is not on the side.

I had wrapped both coils outside of post back in towards the middle and both wires were cut super short and checked them several times. They were in the middle, like your right side coil, so it would have been hard for them to touch the top cap but I guess possible.

So the right side was wrapped clockwise, the left counter. The outer edge of the wire is what I believe hit the top cap where I put the arrow.



ETA- I don't think it was tucked all the way under the screw top. I still wish these posts just had holes to thread through. Wrapping around the post, holding the coil in place, screwing on the cap...all this in a little space..I feel like I need a third arm/hand. LOL And everyone said the Z coil was a pain?!? I'd take the Z coil for this atty too

 

[Filthy-Beast]

Ok, Try going clockwise, the nut won't push the wire out like it wants to do when wrapped counter clockwise, it should stay tucked in under the nut like this photo.

 

[want to quit]

it's funny. Normally I am the one that always has problems with vape gear but when it comes to the C3 it's nothing but pure pleasure from the first build on.

Hope you get it worked out Angie. I go with FB here that's the easiest way.

 

[AngiBe]

it's funny. Normally I am the one that always has problems with vape gear but when it comes to the C3 it's nothing but pure pleasure from the first build on.

Hope you get it worked out Angie. I go with FB here that's the easiest way.

Just the opposite for me but not giving up. The Chalice II is awesome and I know the Chalice III will be as well. I just need to pay real close attention the next time I build on it. Anticipation to try again begins...

 

[want to quit]

Just the opposite for me but not giving up. The Chalice II is awesome and I know the Chalice III will be as well. I just need to pay real close attention the next time I build on it. Anticipation to try again begins...

the chalice 1-2 are awesome no doubt but if anyone gives me the option C1-2 vs C3 I take the C3 7 days a week. I never fell in love with a RDA like this ever before. I am not saying it's perfect but it's pretty damn close to that.

GO ANGIE GO!! You will figure it out I am sure.

 

[AngiBe]

the chalice 1-2 are awesome no doubt but if anyone gives me the option C1-2 vs C3 I take the C3 7 days a week. I never fell in love with a RDA like this ever before. I am not saying it's perfect but it's pretty damn close to that.

GO ANGIE GO!! You will figure it out I am sure.

UGH..makin me jealous! Can't wait to try it again after it gets a clean bill of health. (praying it does and I didn't fry it). Wish all you guys lived on my street and could watch me build this thing and tell me what I did wrong LOL

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Sounds like a coil leg end was off by a mm or two, Angi. It happens - you're not alone, especially with the C III, apparently. Your reo reacted as planned and chances are all you need is a new spring.

This will all be a hazy, hazy memory in the new year, and you will be a Chalice guru handing out sage advice of your own.

 

[Filthy-Beast]

UGH..makin me jealous! Can't wait to try it again after it gets a clean bill of health. (praying it does and I didn't fry it). Wish all you guys lived on my street and could watch me build this thing and tell me what I did wrong LOL

You'll be fine after the new spring, I've shorted one of my Reos on purpose just to test it. If you didn't have a spring that collapsed and the short kept going your Reo and Chalice would probably still be fine from the short, however your battery would have overheated, gone into thermal runaway and melted, which would probably have messed up the Reo.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

gone into thermal runaway and melted, which would probably have messed up the Reo.

... and your whole day.

 

[Bigflyrodder]

Dang Angie, hadn't heard you shorted while using the III. Very sorry to hear but luckily, since Reos ROCK, super easy fix . You'll be back in business in no time at all.

I started trapping my wires then folding and running up to the post to the screw head on all my RDAs a while ago because I was always afraid I'd catch the cap with a tail. If I can propeller the wire off cleanly I do that, otherwise I run up and trim at the screwhead but made sure I kept it really close on the Chalice as I knew there wouldn't be much headroom above those screws.

You'll get it, hang in there!