Challenge: KR808D-1 vs 510

[PapaBloog]

+1.

Enjoy it if you like it. Let others experiment and make their own decisions. There's no other way. Just because I like a certain PV doesn't mean someone else will like it.

Happy vaping.

Sadly, I disagree. Given the fact that I was the "pioneer" in my community - in that I found something that actually worked - after having spent $$ on, tried, experimented, researched, asked questions - at this point, the e-cig is still >new< I would personally feel remiss if someone approached me for a recommendation for this life-saving technology only to respond 'you need to experiment and find your own way.' Although there is a level of truth to this - there is a starting point for every noob - and somehow, I feel a little more compelled to offer more than just advice -

For example, I've already learned who to avoid - which vendors are total junk, which systems require more maintenance than others, - I mean, yeah - you can lead a horse to water - but, when there are so many ponds within walking distance (with some you know are poisoned...) wouldn't it behoove anyone to offer assistance?

 

[PapaBloog]

Have you visited the ECF library? Tons of of info about different PVs and the cons and pros of each. Good place to start.

Have you watched MistressNomad's videos? Very helpful. I really like her series about E-cigs for broke people (Parts 1-6).

Katya -> this is not about me. I'm already settled. What's really funny is I didn't even learn of MistressNomad's videos until last week - and I've been a participant of this forum 'officially' for 1 month and unnoficially lurking for about 4 months.

 

[Katya]

Sadly, I disagree. Given the fact that I was the "pioneer" in my community - in that I found something that actually worked - after having spent $$ on, tried, experimented, researched, asked questions - at this point, the e-cig is still >new< I would personally feel remiss if someone approached me for a recommendation for this life-saving technology only to respond 'you need to experiment and find your own way.' Although there is a level of truth to this - there is a starting point for every noob - and somehow, I feel a little more compelled to offer more than just advice -

For example, I've already learned who to avoid - which vendors are total junk, which systems require more maintenance than others, - I mean, yeah - you can lead a horse to water - but, when there are so many ponds within walking distance (with some of the you know are poisoned...) wouldn't it behoove anyone to offer assistance?

Sorry, but I was responding to your original post, which was a challenge, of sorts: finding a $30.00 510 kit that would please you more than your kr808 setup. Now you're changing the conversation to "What to recommend to a beginner." This is a different conversation altogether.

 

[Stosh]

It would seem to me the "challenge" has been asked and answered, given the market share of models and accessories available for each battery / carto, atty connection thread. The difference between an 808 and a 510 is the threads on the battery and atty. Each has aftermarket (replenishing you kit) options available in the form of prefilled cartos, blank cartos, LR cartos, attys, LR attys, HR attys, bigger & different shaped batteries, mega attys & cartos, etc..... Right now market share determines which gets more attention, and more options, available at more suppliers, 510 wins hands down. No amount of recommendations on any forum or the internet could long support an inferior product without the buying public switching to a smilar priced better product.
If the 510 / ego / riva didn't work it would go the way of the "super-mini"

 

[Buzzy]

If the direction of this thread is what to recommend to a beginner, that does call for a different sort of answer. Personally, my journey with ecigs started with a V4L branded KR808D-1 nine months ago. It was enough to get me intrigued, but not really satisfying as I thought that the cartos had a kind of dry, or papery, or edgy taste even when full. So, I tried a 510, with atties and carts, and was much more satisfied with the flavor, vapor production, and throat hit. But it was not until I tried the blue foam mod that I really became please with the 510. However, I have now also tried newer KR808D-1 cartomizers, and consider them improved...but still with a hint of something different to the taste when compared with a 510 and atomizer/cart. I've also tried 510 cartomizers. Eh. Not so great. But I haven't tried the 510 LR cartos yet either.

Anyway, if I were to want to help a beginner to get started, I don't know if I could do it for only $30.00. Here's why: aside from needing two batteries and at least 10 cartomizers, plus charger, I would urge a newbie to start with at least a variety of 5 or more flavors, and NOT to use prefilled cartomizers either because the quality of eliquid imho in most of them is not as good as what can be bought from, for example, Backwoods Brew. And that will make a big difference in the experience. But to sum up, here is what I would suggest for anyone wanting to start.

Two 510 mega batteries, with 2.0 ohm 510 cartomizers, charger, and 5 eliquid sample sizes - six milliliter. Or...a KR808D-1 (two batteries) with 10 empty cartomizers - premium or gold label preferred - charger and 5 eliquid sample sizes. I could even name the suppliers, but to do so would imply personal preferences and perhaps disrespect some fine suppliers. Total cost would be closer to 50 to 60 dollars, rather than 30. I would also recommend at least one 510 atomizer, or one 901 atomizer, plus cartridges (empty) for the beginner to make his/her own comparisons.

But 510 or KR808D-1? Hey, there is no way you will get anything resembling a consensus on that. Each has it's strengths.

 

[PapaBloog]

Buzzy - thanks so much for this. This is the kind of input I feel is beneficial. This is not the kind of information that has been passed around lately. This is a solid compare/contrast between two products explaining the pros/cons of both sides and is nothing like discussions of bias such as 'I prefer my joye Ego - I got mine at _______' with nothing else stated, no details why...

I'm not saying we have a responsibility to provide new vapers with this much detail - but, I will say that this level of detail from a veteran that has experience with a number of products is more responsible.

 

[ManicMaurice]

PapaBloog,

I too have been very happy with my Bloog Maxx Fusion KR8 batteries and cartomizers. Even with the inconsistency in the ohms ratings of the cartomizers I have found them to perform very reliably and to truly be very burn resistant. But I'm still at the beginning of my journey into vaping, so I decided to pick up a 510 kit. I'll post a comparison once I receive my new kit.

2x 510 Joye XL auto 280 mAh batteries
2x 510 Joye USB quick charge cables
2x 510 Joye atomizers
5x 510 Joye carts & polyfill
5x 510 Joye cartomizers & syringe for filling
5x 510 Boge cartomizers (not sure what ohm rating, but will test before using)

 

[PapaBloog]

... I decided to pick up a 510 kit. I'll post a comparison once I receive my new kit.

Very cool. Will save me $30 -- Look forward to your side-by-side.

 

[AngusATAT]

I've always liked the 510 better. While it isn't a great as the KR8 where flavor is concerned, it gives a fuller, wetter vape, which is my personal preference.

However, if I had to choose one atty or carto to use exclusively, I'd drop them both and stick with the 902. All the vapor of a 510, but with much better flavor. It's not quite as cheap as the 510, though. ($10 for an atty).

 

[pianoguy]

Back before I started, I stumbled onto this video, which led me down the KR8 path. At the time, there were no cartomizers for the 510 platform:

YouTube - Vapor4Life VaporKing - Solution To My Problem

I was sold on the simplicity - I ordered a couple of kits, and a few days later, my wife and I were miraculously done with cigarettes. Over a year later, I have gradually become the guy in the video, though, with the huge case full of mods, attys, juices, etc. - LMAO! The landscape has changed a lot over the past year, but I am very happy with the decision we made up front, and the KR8 is still my Mrs.' go-to PV.

 

[VprNomi]

I totally agree that the 808 is underestimated. I also think the term "big" is relative. I get huge clouds of vapor from my 808, using a 60/40 PG/VG juice. Even with 100% PG juice though, I still get more vapor than I did smoke from an analog.

I think the 808 is a bit underestimated. It really is quite a nice little reliable eciggie. No big clouds of vapor, but neither has the 510 and the taste makes up for it.

 

[PapaBloog]

I was sold on the simplicity - I ordered a couple of kits, and a few days later, my wife and I were miraculously done with cigarettes.

Simplicity is key - I agree with you one +1000 on this - my first kit was a 3pc (batt+atty+cart) and the learning curve was steep - almost to the point that I nearly gave up.

Over a year later, I have gradually become the guy in the video, though, with the huge case full of mods, attys, juices, etc. - LMAO!

Funny, I can see myself even going this route, although not now as I am more than adequately satisfied with my current gear.

The landscape has changed a lot over the past year, but I am very happy with the decision we made up front, and the KR8 is still my Mrs.' go-to PV.

I see this happening for me and my wife too - and, as each new iteration of 808 tech builds on prior success, and improves to the point where a MOD is no longer needed - I may never switch.

I totally agree that the 808 is underestimated. I also think the term "big" is relative. I get huge clouds of vapor from my 808, using a 60/40 PG/VG juice. Even with 100% PG juice though, I still get more vapor than I did smoke from an analog.

LOL! Isn't this the truth? I understand the need for vapor to simulate the analog experience - but, how much vapor is really needed? Twice an analog? Thrice? I am still amazed that my 808 gear can fill a room with fog!

 

[Traver]

LOL! Isn't this the truth? I understand the need for vapor to simulate the analog experience - but, how much vapor is really needed? Twice an analog? Thrice? I am still amazed that my 808 gear can fill a room with fog!

If you want more vapor you can use a lower ohm cart or carto. It's the battery, carto combination that will determine the hit, smoke and flavor.
I usually recommend a KR808 for beginners because they can start right of with filled cartos in a variety of flavors. As you said simplicity is the key for newbies. They are both good batteries and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either one. With the caveat that a bigger battery would be better.

 

[AngusATAT]

I am still amazed that my 808 gear can fill a room with fog!

I'd love to see a pic of someone filling a room with vapor from any e-cig. That would be amazing, considering vapor dissipates after just a couple of seconds.

It would probably look something like this:

Here is a pic of me testing out my new Chuck at 6v in the golf pro shop.

 

[jtpjc]

That's not a PV, it's a fire extinguisher. You're not fooling me.

 

[AngusATAT]

That's not a PV, it's a fire extinguisher. You're not fooling me.

 

[PapaBloog]

How 'bout a lite mist then?

 

[longworthb]

i started witha 808 and i loved it. good vape and good th and decent battery life for a moderate vapor. 510s batt life isnt very great and if ur using carts there a pain to top off but if u use cartos depending on which ones u get they can last quite awhile. im partial to both but will always have a soft spot in my heart for the 808 considering it was my first lol also i dont get how it would be comparative spending 30 on a 510 kit? the 808s cost more so why only spend 30 on a 510? it wouldnt make it fair in the end

 

[Tracker II]

When I was a teenager in the late 60's to early 70's, the majority of people bought Fords or Chevy's. The devoted Chevy crowd would always say that FORD stood for Fix Or Repair Daily, to which the Ford crowd would always chant - Chevy Shove It To The Shop. In fact they were both pretty reliable brands back then although each had its own strengths, weaknesses, and peculiarities.

I'm new to this game, have bought my first e-cig 4 days ago (a V4L VK) and haven't had a single analog during these four days. I'm pretty sure that if I had bought a 510, I would also be analog free the past four days. And isn't that what it's really all about?

I know it's fun to debate these types of things and, believe you me, I'll probably jump in on my fair share (why should you guys have all the fun). But end the end, this particular discussion looks like a classic Ford/Chevy debate to me and odds are that it will never be settled. I suppose the one great thing about these types of debates is that newbies like me get a real feel for different brands and models and I thank you for that.

Oh well, I've rambled way to long for a newbie. Thanks for all the info my fellow (and more experienced) Vapers.

 

[longworthb]

Overall a 808 imop is one of the best to start with. Its what i started with and it did its job amazingly. If u want to get into mods and dripping 510 is more in ur direction. Both great units just depends what ur looking for