Challenge: KR808D-1 vs 510

[MrNate]

Thanks for that! Exactly what I was looking for! So, with this information, if we were to 'get the word out' and point noobs in the right direction with the sole aim of successfully transitioning analog users to e-cigs - (barring those that take a leap of faith directly into the mod arena) - perhaps we can make a project of this - create a sticky thread that compares these three analog-like candidates that shows the pros and cons of each model in terms of battery life, maintenance, and other factors so that noobs are not presented with so many differing opinions?

Because of all the product on the market (most of which is pretty shoddy), I personally found it very hard to wade through the 30 or so recommendations I was hit with until I found my PV of choice. I would very much like to contribute to the community - not detract from it - by introducing known quality product, regardless of the type, in the form of a fact sheet to encourage the development of an informed decision. Different strokes for different folks I get. But without knowing or understanding the strokes, --

Having already introduced so many to e-cig technology - and, being the first in my community (so it seems at times) I have inherited the role as the "e-cig help desk". Certainly, not what I was expecting, just happened. Taking up this mantle - and watching threads introduce product that clearly is aimed at taking advantage of the consumer (Like "White Cloud" e-cigs -- see my other thread on this vendor) - it's really hard to decipher the good from the bad and our opinions, as good as they may be, are lost in the clutter.

Anyway, just looking for some unification of our recommendations to make it easier to help those in real need.

When I began looking a couple weeks ago, I was overwhelmed by options and opinions. There are a lot of stickies here, some helpful, some not. But there are a LOT of them - even with the stickies, it was a lot to wade through, and you had to find them in the first place.

I agree with PapaBloog 100% - From a complete noob's perspective, there is no consolidated, straightforward guide that is easily found on this site. Feel free to disagree, but my cardinal rule of user interface is that if I have to tell you it's easy, then it ain't easy.

It would be great to see a guide exactly as described - A brief comparison of analog-style PVs to penstyles to mods, and from there a comparison of the major analog styles, and from there a comparison of the offerings from different vendors. When I started looking here, all I wanted was a simple explanation of what different models were available, what the properties of each were, and what the most trusted vendors were. Throw on top of that differences in quality for the same model from different vendors, and it becomes very difficult to navigate.

 

[PapaBloog]

When I was a teenager in the late 60's to early 70's, the majority of people bought Fords or Chevy's. The devoted Chevy crowd would always say that FORD stood for Fix Or Repair Daily, to which the Ford crowd would always chant - Chevy Shove It To The Shop. In fact they were both pretty reliable brands back then although each had its own strengths, weaknesses, and peculiarities.

Totally agreed. I think we've established, at least those that have cared to chime in, that the best starting point for a new vaper is a KR808D-1, a 510, or a 901. Agreed? (At least thats about 90% of the non-MOD comments I've seen). At a bare minimum, we know what to expect and have enough data and acquired knowledge to support first steps. What concerns me is that, even though these 3 models are discussed with zeal, other models that should not be recommended - mixing chevys and fords with yugos, mercedes, and yugos priced like mercedes - makes for a tough informed decision.

I would like to put together a tech-tree - with some assistance - to outline the logical progression from unit to unit, device to device - then maybe we might be able to confuse the noobs less?

Just my $0.02...

 

[PapaBloog]

... From a complete noob's perspective, there is no consolidated, straightforward guide that is easily found on this site. Feel free to disagree, but my cardinal rule of user interface is that if I have to tell you it's easy, then it ain't easy. It would be great to see a guide exactly as described - A brief comparison of analog-style PVs to penstyles to mods, and from there a comparison of the major analog styles, and from there a comparison of the offerings from different vendors. When I started looking here, all I wanted was a simple explanation of what different models were available, what the properties of each were, and what the most trusted vendors were. Throw on top of that differences in quality for the same model from different vendors, and it becomes very difficult to navigate.

If interested, I would be willing to turn this into a project - provided others commit to support the effort - of detailing a tech tree and constructing a document that we could refer those just taking the plunge into vaping... I guess it would become a little touchy when specific vendors are brought on - but, then again, we can allow the community at large begin to rate vendors AND we can begin to hold vendors accountable for their respective reputations.

 

[Buzzy]

I'd be willing to help if I can. Whatever my experiences might be worth for new members, and prospective ecig users, I'm glad to offer. I've tried KR808D-1s, Modern Vapor's 902, 510 xls with standard and xl atomizers, and with cartomizers, and the Leo. I've tried 801 atties via adapters. And 901 atties. I've also tried and frequently but not always use dripping. Anyhow, I'll chime in what I can.

 

[PapaBloog]

I'd be willing to help if I can.

I'll friend you Buzzy - then, I just need to figure out how and where to upload and store docs on this ECF site?

 

[longworthb]

id like to be involved if at all possible. ive used the 808 as it was my starter and the 510 and now a riva 510

 

[ManicMaurice]

When I began looking a couple weeks ago, I was overwhelmed by options and opinions. There are a lot of stickies here, some helpful, some not. But there are a LOT of them - even with the stickies, it was a lot to wade through, and you had to find them in the first place.

I agree with PapaBloog 100% - From a complete noob's perspective, there is no consolidated, straightforward guide that is easily found on this site. Feel free to disagree, but my cardinal rule of user interface is that if I have to tell you it's easy, then it ain't easy.

It would be great to see a guide exactly as described - A brief comparison of analog-style PVs to penstyles to mods, and from there a comparison of the major analog styles, and from there a comparison of the offerings from different vendors. When I started looking here, all I wanted was a simple explanation of what different models were available, what the properties of each were, and what the most trusted vendors were. Throw on top of that differences in quality for the same model from different vendors, and it becomes very difficult to navigate.

These might be what you're looking for.

The ECF Library > The Wonderful World of Vaping (Parts 1 to 6)

How to Vape Video

Vaping Guides

 

[ManicMaurice]

My order from LiteCigUSA arrived today. Give me a few days to put the 510 through it's paces and then I'll post a comparison.

 

[MrNate]

These might be what you're looking for.

The ECF Library > The Wonderful World of Vaping (Parts 1 to 6)

How to Vape Video

Vaping Guides

The first is close, but it is a comprehensive overview and more or less exactly fails to get you to the end zone. Not only that, but it is not easily found in the clutter.

The second two are, for the purpose I am describing, part of the clutter.

If you have to tell me it's easy, it ain't easy.

 

[MahBohMan]

I am an avid 510 guy, mods all the bells and whistle etc....just ordered the make your own ato mizer from nhaler 510 connection. I also just got the latest 808 style maxx fusion kit from bloogplanet. Tell you what imagonnado.....Seeing as I have a bunch of mods built with 510 connectors on the battery end....I placed an order for some 808 to 510 adapters...this way I can use my new kick .... maxx cartos on my 3600 mah 18650 copper pipe mod I built. I actually like those cartos as much if not more than my LR joye 510 drip setup....draw is perfect great vapor and excellent taste, I couldn't ask for more.

 

[Traver]

I am an avid 510 guy, mods all the bells and whistle etc....just ordered the make your own ato mizer from nhaler 510 connection. I also just got the latest 808 style maxx fusion kit from bloogplanet. Tell you what imagonnado.....Seeing as I have a bunch of mods built with 510 connectors on the battery end....I placed an order for some 808 to 510 adapters...this way I can use my new kick .... maxx cartos on my 3600 mah 18650 copper pipe mod I built. I actually like those cartos as much if not more than my LR joye 510 drip setup....draw is perfect great vapor and excellent taste, I couldn't ask for more.

Do you know if the maxx fusion is a true KR808? In other words does it run at 3.7 volts? I know it's a 3.7 volt battery but that's not the same thing.

 

[PapaBloog]

Do you know if the maxx fusion is a true KR808? In other words does it run at 3.7 volts? I know it's a 3.7 volt battery but that's not the same thing.

Traver - the MaxX is a true 3.7v 808 - with an operating peak of 4.2v -

 

[PapaBloog]

Hey all, moving this thread to a new title:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...54193-tech-tree-beginner-pro.html#post2508835

 

[ManicMaurice]

My first impressions ...



The 280 mAh 510 batteries are 1/2 inch longer than the 300 mAh Bloog Maxx Fusion batteries.

The cartomizers are the same length. The 510 cartomizers I received are Boge 3 ohm cartos.

Fresh off the charger the 510 battery measures at 4v. Fresh off the charger the Bloog batteries are measuring 3.8v. (To do this I had to put the LED end of the battery in my mouth, touch the multimeter prongs to the battery connector and suck )

The draw on the Bloog is consistent, relatively quiet, and for me it is just right. I seem to hit the cut off on the Bloogs at about 8 seconds. The draw on the 510 is very loose and airy and there is a loud hiss of of air being pulled through small holes. I can't seem to hit a cut off on a freshly charged 510. But after using them for a couple minutes and letting the carto get warm to the touch there seems to be an erratic cut off. Sometimes it is 3 seconds and sometimes it doesn't cut off at all. Furthermore, once the cut off kicks in the battery takes about a half second break and if I am still sucking it kicks back on which creates an annoying pulsating on/off. I also have to draw harder and longer on the 510 to get the same vapor production as the Bloog. The draw on the 510 is very similar to a non Bloog KR8 as far as the airiness and the sound goes.

Just for fun I pulled out an adapter and put the Bloog carto on the 510 battery. The draw and noise are completely consistent with what I am used to out of a Bloog carto on a Bloog battery. Unfortunately thought there is still that weird inconsistent cut off and the pulsating on/off that is sometimes happening on the 510 batteries. Finally I used another adapter and put the Boge 510 carto on my Bloog batteries. The draw is still much looser and more airy than with the Bloog cartos. And I still have to draw longer and harder for the same vapor than I do with the Bloog carto / Bloog battery or the Bloog carto / 510 battery combos. Also, the sound while vaping with the Boge 510 / Bloog battery is less annoying than the straight 510 / Boge carto combo. It's still not completely silent and it is still a little louder than the Bloog / Bloog combo, but it's better than the 510 / 510 combo.

That's all I have so far. Give me a week or so to play with them and I'll post again.

 

[PapaBloog]

Team is up to six members and counting now... any others interested?

 

[Traver]

ManicMaurice, Which 510 are you using? Is this the one from LiteCigUSA. I',m pretty sure that would be a Joye. There are a lot of different batteries using the 510 thread. The Joye and rebranded Joye's' are the ones that made the 510 thread so popular. It has a modulated voltage. It actually runs at two voltages and averages out at 3.2 with a carto.

You can read this thread to see why that matters.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise-10.html

Then you have the 510 threaded mods and they usually run at 3.7 volts. Then there are the joye knockoffs made with cheaper parts

Another question. Do you like the Bloog cartos and how many refills do you get with them?

 

[ManicMaurice]

ManicMaurice, Which 510 are you using? Is this the one from LiteCigUSA. I',m pretty sure that would be a Joye. There are a lot of different batteries using the 510 thread. The Joye and rebranded Joye's' are the ones that made the 510 thread so popular. It has a modulated voltage. It actually runs at two voltages and averages out at 3.2 with a carto.

You can read this thread to see why that matters.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise-10.html

Then you have the 510 threaded mods and they usually run at 3.7 volts. Then there are the joye knockoffs made with cheaper parts

Another question. Do you like the Bloog cartos and how many refills do you get with them?

Yep they're from LiteCigUSA. I'm one day in and I considering doing a teardown on one of the 510 batteries. The auto switches are really touchy. Sometimes they work great and other times they do the pulsating on/off thing I mentioned earlier. Plus the draw is still too loud and airy for my tastes. I'm curious to see how the internals compare to the Bloog and the KR8s I've disassembled in the past. I kinda want to figure out what they're doing wrong with the design. The auto switches on the KR8s work just fine and the Bloogs work even better than those, but the 510 autos are hit and miss from drag to drag.

I haven't really been counting my refills. I typically use a carto for a day or two until I get bored with a flavor and then I set it aside to be cleaned and reused with a new flavor. I don't ever run them dry because I've gotten in the habit of topping off before each "vape break." But I did do a test after I received my first shipment from Bloog and I was able to dry vape a Bloog carto about 5 times before I gave up. I didn't disassemble the carto and to be honest it has probably been cleaned and reused a couple time now, so I'm pretty confident that they are highly burn resistant.

 

[ec!gg]

For me it has to be the 510 not because it's better or worse, but because of modding and all the compatibility with almost every device out there.