Charging Overnight?

[patkin]

I bought a lipo safe bag along with my 18650 and 18350 batteries and the charger all at the same time from the same place and its the only charger they sell. I would think they would be opening themselves to liability if the charging bag was not supposed to be used with it. Frankly, the batteries were for a Vamo I tested right after getting it and haven't used it enough to charge the batteries again but do recall it getting warm so I just opened the flap more. I am super leery of heat from laptops, computers, movie players, play station, etc and hubby keep telling me they're designed to handle that heat. I haven't detected any heat when charging device-contained batteries other than the amount they generate sometimes when charging with no bag used... so I would really like to find an answer to this... nervous mervous here... think I'll do a search or may call Batteries + and see what they say.

Edit: just saw instructions at Nhaler:
Lipo Safe Charge Bag
where they do talk about "leads" but I find no chargers there or where I bought mine that has leads.
Soooo.... I just asked my hubby about this and said chargers with "leads" come with dummy batteries you place in the charger to
activate it, then send leads from it to the batteries that are then placed in the bag. He said putting the charger in the bag probably won't
cause an explosion but it sure will decrease the life of your charger from the heat build up in the bag. I'm going with what he said. I guess this one, since I can't find any vendors selling the bags that also sell chargers with leads, is like recommending lower mg juices so you buy more juice chain vaping.... geeez.

 

[kiwivap]

Edit: just saw instructions at Nhaler:
Lipo Safe Charge Bag
where they do talk about "leads" but I find no chargers there or where I bought mine that has leads.
Soooo.... I just asked my hubby about this and said chargers with "leads" come with dummy batteries you place in the charger to
activate it, then send leads from it to the batteries that are then placed in the bag. He said putting the charger in the bag probably won't
cause an explosion but it sure will decrease the life of your charger from the heat build up in the bag. I'm going with what he said. I guess this one, since I can't find any vendors selling the bags that also sell chargers with leads, is like recommending lower mg juices so you buy more juice chain vaping.... geeez.

Those instructions are different to the ones for the liposafe bag I that use. If in doubt just use a metal or pyrex dish or container. I'm fine with mine - I use it mainly when charging the 18350's in the TR-001. With the Xtar I sometimes use it and sometimes if its in use already I just put the Xtar in a metal dish.
I've seen reports and photos of exploding batteries here on ECF. I haven't seen any reports of batteries overheating and exploding in a liposafe bag.

 

[patkin]

Hubby said they won't explode from over heating but the over heating will decrease the life of my charger. Based on that, I think all my battery-contained devices need the air flow to prolong their life too so, yeh, I'm just going to put them in a pan or dish on my ceramic cook top stove. But, I really don't charge overnight and do use my strip for usb charging right where I sit to keep an eye on them. So far, the ones that bother me most are the little 510s with those itty bitty cables that are sooo close to the wall while charging. I have a tall glass candle holder I let those dangle into because I have to charge those over my kitchen counter.

 

[jam*her*some]

can batterys be over charged ?

Yes, they really can be overcharged.... My old cell, I used to charge it overnight, every night. The battery started losing its ability to hold a charge, so I went to the Batteries Plus store to get a new one, and the guy was laughing at me because my battery was so misshapen because of the overcharging. He said I was lucky the battery didn't explode. I kid you not, the square, flat battery had gotten bloated. :/

 

[Zipp]

I used to charge batteries for RC planes overnight sometimes. Back then the preferred way of leaving charging batteries unattended was to put them in an old ammo can from an army surplus store. I'm not sure how much I trust those bags. They at least need a solid base so you can stand them up. Otherwise, won't any flames that shoot out just light up the carpet? Or are you guys putting the batteries in the bag and then putting the bag in some other fireproof container?

 

[mkbilbo]

can batterys be over charged ?

Yes they can. Modern chargers, cell phones, smart phones, tablet computers, lap tops, music players (MP3), and too many to list have systems in them to prevent that. But electronics do fail sometimes.

Still, people should realize that the lithium ion battery is everywhere. Not just in PVs. But all the widgets above and more. All those electronic gadgets we run around with that are rechargeable are using lithium ion batteries (some lithium polymer but that's a whole other bucket of fish).

Lithium is a volatile chemical. If it weren't, it wouldn't be any good for use in batteries. Safe, inert materials aren't good at producing power. This is why you put gasoline in your car, not water.

(Well, not in the tank that is)

It's something to be aware of but not freak out about. The LI batteries in cell phones have also gone wonky on people. And I found at least one really spectacular YouTube video of a laptop bursting into flames in an airport (no, no terrorism, just a very angry lithium ion battery).

You should be careful with your batteries but not afraid of them. I charge overnight but I have a good smoke detector which I test regularly that can wake the dead and a fire extinguisher on the wall near the computer. I had a plain old computer motherboard fry one night while I was asleep. Thing just decided it didn't want to live anymore and tried to burst into flames.

I do, however, unplug the charger on my batteries when I leave the house. I can't use the fire extinguisher if I'm not here.

On the other hand, the wildfire that almost took out my house in 2011 was started by a downed power line three miles from here. Being super careful about my batteries didn't stop that fire from happening...

 

[Mr-Glass]

Wow - guessing I need to re-evaluate my charger that I keep at the Lake. I believe it is a Trustfire - TR001 - I have never had any issues with it (2 years) but hearing that it is a cheapy that comes with starter kits, does not sound great to me.. I have used it recently with my aw and pannies 18650's without any issue..

 

[DancingHeretik]

Wow - guessing I need to re-evaluate my charger that I keep at the Lake. I believe it is a Trustfire - TR001 - I have never had any issues with it (2 years) but hearing that it is a cheapy that comes with starter kits, does not sound great to me.. I have used it recently with my aw and pannies 18650's without any issue..

As I remember, the TR001 was considered a good charger a couple of years ago. Not as good as a Pila, but not a cheapy either. I have one.

Times they do change!

 

[Heavyrocker]

Hello Oryx and welcome to ECF.

No, I don't charge my batteries overnight. If you have to that, get a battery charging bag, like the one below--they are widely available.

Li-Po Battery Charging Bag (Silver Small) - HeliPal

As for your other questions, how much do you want to know?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-rechargeable-batteries-apvs.html#post2019025

That's for starters.

Its unsafe too charge batts is a bag,it makes the chager and batts hotter,the bags are desined too store the batts.

 

[nartnailuj]

I usually time how long it takes to charge depending on The voltage of the battery so i know if safe to charge over night.

 

[Crash Moses]

I bought a lipo safe bag along with my 18650 and 18350 batteries and the charger all at the same time from the same place and its the only charger they sell. I would think they would be opening themselves to liability if the charging bag was not supposed to be used with it. Frankly, the batteries were for a Vamo I tested right after getting it and haven't used it enough to charge the batteries again but do recall it getting warm so I just opened the flap more. I am super leery of heat from laptops, computers, movie players, play station, etc and hubby keep telling me they're designed to handle that heat. I haven't detected any heat when charging device-contained batteries other than the amount they generate sometimes when charging with no bag used... so I would really like to find an answer to this... nervous mervous here... think I'll do a search or may call Batteries + and see what they say.

Edit: just saw instructions at Nhaler:
Lipo Safe Charge Bag
where they do talk about "leads" but I find no chargers there or where I bought mine that has leads.
Soooo.... I just asked my hubby about this and said chargers with "leads" come with dummy batteries you place in the charger to
activate it, then send leads from it to the batteries that are then placed in the bag. He said putting the charger in the bag probably won't
cause an explosion but it sure will decrease the life of your charger from the heat build up in the bag. I'm going with what he said. I guess this one, since I can't find any vendors selling the bags that also sell chargers with leads, is like recommending lower mg juices so you buy more juice chain vaping.... geeez.

Please check out this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../422476-battery-charging-bag.html#post9652374

It has pictures of the types of batteries and chargers designed to be used with Lipo bags and as you can see from the first post putting your batteries and charger inside a battery bag is not a good idea...period. The Lipo bags were not designed for use with the types of batteries and chargers we use.

 

[kiwivap]

Please check out this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../422476-battery-charging-bag.html#post9652374

That link went straight to a post by you - but the thread has both points of view.
I'd like to hear from other vapers who been using the bags for some time - its been something vapers have done for quite a while, and as I said several vendors sell charging bags as well.

This thread at candle power forums has a consensus its preferable:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...e-one-of-these-when-charging-Li-ion-batteries

Batteries should not be left unattended for long periods while charging, and should be checked periodically. If they get more than mildly warm stop charging and stop using them.

 

[NickCA]

As a rule of thumb, don't charge your batteries overnight.