China can't figure out how to clone a Russian 91???

[folkphys]

Are you people really arguing over the quality and precision of manufacturing of a clone?

W.T.F. IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!

Question 1: Nope. That is certainly not what I'm arguing about, but thanks for reading.

Question 2: Likely very many things. Once again, a hearty thanks, this time for your constructive and entirely unjudgemental criticism.

 

[Jdbaker82]

The original argument is in regards to a clone of the Russian, not the Russian it's self.

i don't see what point you are trying to make.








Complaining about cheap clones, is like complaining that a ...... gave you gonorrhea... what did you expect?
SMH

nope that's wrong you just have missed my original question. All my KFL+ clones work perfectly fine there's nothing wrong with them they simply just don't have the airflow of a Russian 91. My question was why hasn't the Russian 91 been cloned by all these manufacturer cloning the KFL +s to match the same airflow of the Russian 91 design.

I don't have a Russian 91 clone because they don't exist as far as I know. My point is the kfl+ is being cloned left and right and it's exactly like a authentic kfl+ in terms of performance.... Russian 91 on the other hand doesn't appear like anyone is trying to clone it.... whoever designed the Russian 91 is a genius because appearantly no one is able to rip off his design successfully OR they didn't even think to try because they figure it's the same as a KFL..... many more sales for them :O

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[KenD]

nope that's wrong you just have missed my original question. All my KFL+ clones work perfectly fine there's nothing wrong with them they simply just don't have the airflow of a Russian 91. My question was why hasn't the Russian 91 been cloned by all these manufacturer cloning the KFL +s to match the same airflow of the Russian 91 design.

I don't have a Russian 91 clone because they don't exist as far as I know. My point is the kfl+ is being cloned left and right and it's exactly like a authentic kfl+ in terms of performance.... Russian 91 on the other hand doesn't appear like anyone is trying to clone it.... whoever designed the Russian 91 is a genius because appearantly no one is able to rip off his design successfully OR they didn't even think to try because they figure it's the same as a KFL..... many more sales for them :O

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There are plenty of clones of the r91. I have one, from fasttech. It's not a 1:1 clone, but it's certainly not a kfl clone. Works well, but then I've never tried an "authentic" r91.

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[Jdbaker82]

Let me make this real simple

see this hole right here with its sweet wide angle bore. Why hasn't it been cloned

Oh and BTW let's pretend we are talking about authentic KFL+s not clones just to make this a little more clear. Russian 91 authentic vs kayfun Lite + authentic two totally different beasts the airflow is night and day boooyah if someone can clone the Russian design I will buy 5 of them (2) authentic ones is as much as I want to spend for now



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[Jdbaker82]

There are plenty of clones of the r91. I have one, from fasttech. It's not a 1:1 clone, but it's certainly not a kfl clone. Works well, but then I've never tried an "authentic" r91.

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I wish someone with an authentic Russian 91 could chime in and tell me if the airflow design is the same!!!! news to me!!!! Do you have a KFL+ to compare it to are they the same draw? because Russian 91 is much airier then a KFL

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[SteamHead]

I'm curious as to how the center pin in the R91 differentiates from the kayfun, as that is the bottleneck in the KFL+'s airflow, not the main intake.

 

[Jdbaker82]

I'm curious as to how the center pin in the R91 differentiates from the kayfun, as that is the bottleneck in the KFL+'s airflow, not the main intake.

whatever it is its magic I can't put my Russian down its just that much better to me I love love love the draw

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[SteamHead]

Don't you have both? Can't you look at them and compare?

 

[Jdbaker82]

Don't you have both? Can't you look at them and compare?

I think he might be talking about the internals of the machining that you can't really see if he's talking about strictly the center pin yeah I think you can pull it out

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[Idaholandho]

Not reading any of the posts here but the Title cracks me up. The Russian not only is a clone of the Kayfun but, even considered a counterfeit on many forums. Some of the moderators on ECF have even discussed this. It also was produced originally in Guangdong, China.

Carry on with your fruitful conversation

 

[suspectK]

Not reading any of the posts here but the Title cracks me up. The Russian not only is a clone of the Kayfun but, even considered a counterfeit on many forums. Some of the moderators on ECF have even discussed this. It also was produced originally in Guangdong, China.

Carry on with your fruitful conversation

Well, if you're going to post something like that, could you at least throw more gasoline on the fire..?

 

[folkphys]

Not reading any of the posts here but the Title cracks me up. The Russian not only is a clone of the Kayfun but, even considered a counterfeit on many forums. Some of the moderators on ECF have even discussed this. It also was produced originally in Guangdong, China.

Carry on with your fruitful conversation

Thank you so very much and I'm glad we could bring you joy despite your misunderstanding. I am jealous of your bliss.

 

[BuzzKilla]

no, he hit the nail on the head....

this thread was a good laugh.

 

[Jdbaker82]

no, he hit the nail on the head....

this thread was a good laugh.

Yeah but everyone know as well as I do if a good Russian 91 clones went on the shelves today everyone would buy 6 of them :O

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[BuzzKilla]

they do.... and they go for $100

 

[KenD]

Yeah but everyone know as well as I do if a good Russian 91 clones went on the shelves today everyone would buy 6 of them :O

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I just don't understand where you've gotten the idea that there are no r91 "clones"? I've seen plenty. Not quite as many as kfl clones, but still plenty. As to how they compare to the "authentic" r91 I couldn't say, as I've never tried an "authentic" (have you compared the original r91 to many cheaper, can you honestly make the claim that there are no good copies?). I'll say this, I've never seen anyone else bring out the differences you're describing between the r91 and the kfl+, nor have I ever heard anyone else complain that there are no good r91 "clones". Perhaps I've been living under a rock...

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[folkphys]

Real R91 with a slanted hole for air in, and a straight hole for air adjustment.


Not Real R91 with a backwards configuration of the two holes.

Every single R91 clone that I have ever seen does it this way. And this makes all the difference.

 

[Jdbaker82]

Real R91 with a slanted hole for air in, and a straight hole for air adjustment.
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Not Real R91 with a backwards configuration of the two holes.
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Every single R91 clone that I have ever seen does it this way. And this makes all the difference.

By this you mean that Russian 91 clones are the same airflow as a KFL +? I mean my KFL + don't touch my Russian 91s smoothness of airflow not even the authentic KFL+. Maybe I'm picky but I notice the difference

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[folkphys]

Well here we go:


Link to it

 

[Jdbaker82]

Well here we go:
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Link to it

oh wow I am so curious!!!!!

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