China Comparison

[20ADAY]

Im interested in comparing the use of e-cigs in China to Everywhere else or "we people here".

It appears that basically all e-cigs are created in China and that even the posher models are made there and are simply rebranded from generic items or modified in some way and the branded.

So how do the Chinese use these devices, do they use them to completely replace a smoking habit ?

If so how are the items viewed by them, are they basically treated as semi dissposable/dissposable items or do they expect "X" amount of use and reliability and service.

Also what is the comparative price of say carts, atomisers and batterys in China, are they priced so cheaply there that people are happy to dispose of them or are they relativley expensive like the exports we are recieving ?

Im very interested in this as something seems a miss with the idealogy of current e-smoking, either the consumables should be far cheaper or they products far more durable, prefferably both...

Anyways if anyone has any experience of China and its e-smoking culture I would be intrigued

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

be interesting to know what they cost the guy in the street over there.

Emp

 

[20ADAY]

be interesting to know what they cost the guy in the street over there.

Emp

Im very interested , as to me these items and their spares are not sold at a price point I deem to be dissposable, yet they appear simply be incapable of lasting as I would expect a device or relative cost should..

I will have to wait until my e-puffing device arrives before I can be sure, but these forums seem to confirm they are unreliable, I will to take the chance though as Im fed up with my real smoking habbit.

If they devices do help me a lot I would like to reccomend them to other smokers I know, problem is many of them are not rich and dont think they could afford to fork out all the time for parts and more so handle when mid puff there e-smkoing device gives up the ghost and leaves them in no mans land...

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Hi 20

I don't know your 20 (hahahahaha!!!!) but I'm in the UK so we're in a sort of weird position. We get scalped unmercifully for cigarettes - £5.50 a pack for my cheapo(!) brand. Therefore there's a lot of headroom in what I can afford to pay. I've spent over a thousand quid on this stuff, but I would have spent that much in about 6 months anyway (and I have more than 6 months supply of carts and liquid). Throw in the health benefits (jury still out on whether inhaling PG is a good idea or the worst choice we've ever made) and it's value for money from where I'm sitting. I haven't yet factored in the cost of replacement atomisers, batteries etc, but I think it will still come in under the UK bar.

Emp

 

[trog100]

e-cig.com prices make them disposable.. in my case they have been 100% reliable both with delivery and working on arrival products..

if in the UK here is a way to guarantee a 100% reliable and working product.. budget to buy one pillbox 901 generic kit plus one spare atomizer per month..

if u wish to play the unreliability game simply try and make them last longer like everyone else does.. he he

once u have a few spare ones u can try eaking them out a little longer.. but budget for the one basic kit plus the one atomizer per month.. they will work take my word for it..

u can save money on the carts by buying pillbox classic carts and syringing them out for liquid..

please dont think when these things go disposable the price will drop.. it wont..

trog

 

[20ADAY]

Hi 20

I don't know your 20 (hahahahaha!!!!) but I'm in the UK so we're in a sort of weird position. We get scalped unmercifully for cigarettes - £5.50 a pack for my cheapo(!) brand. Therefore there's a lot of headroom in what I can afford to pay. I've spent over a thousand quid on this stuff, but I would have spent that much in about 6 months anyway (and I have more than 6 months supply of carts and liquid). Throw in the health benefits (jury still out on whether inhaling PG is a good idea or the worst choice we've ever made) and it's value for money from where I'm sitting. I haven't yet factored in the cost of replacement atomisers, batteries etc, but I think it will still come in under the UK bar.

Emp

Yeah I pay around 5.50 as well, which is a total outrage, I smoke Regal King Size, there are cheaper brands than that though 4.60/4.70 region.

Can I ask if you still smoke standard cigarettes or are you an e-cigarette only smoker now ?

It would be a complete downer if PG was really bad for your health would defeat the purpose completley, I cant see them being allowed to fully sell or promote e-smoking in any way in the UK or EU if its wasnt safe though..

I wonder how much testing has went into the properties and effects of e-cigarette smoking, surley it cant be any worse than the unregulated crap that big tobacco companies put in there products.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Hey trog, welcome back

I'm still playing with these puppies. New kit every five minutes, new flavour every ten. Figure I'll settle on a favourite model or brand sooner or later then I'll buy a stack of replacement parts and sit on the porch. I ain't out of the new toy phase yet.

Despite your many informative posts, I am still farting around with resurrection rituals. Some work, some don't.

Figure to be stable by Christmas. Note to family and friends - I got enough socks already...

Emp

 

[TropicalBob]

Trog is wrong. In many ways. E-Cig is neither competent to make decent products or to fulfill shipping orders. They lie. They cheated me personally. Avoid them and buy from a supplier within England.

Disposables are the future. True disposables, not flawed products that Trog orders as if he were a wholesaler. Read around, of course, and make up your own mind. Trog is the rebel in the group, for sure. He does it HIS way. You decide for yourself.

 

[20ADAY]

e-cig.com prices make them disposable.. in my case they have been 100% reliable both with delivery and working on arrival products..

if in the UK here is a way to guarantee a 100% reliable and working product.. budget to buy one pillbox 901 generic kit plus one spare atomizer per month..

if u wish to play the unreliability game simply try and make them last longer like everyone else does.. he he

once u have a few spare ones u can try eaking them out a little longer.. but budget for the one basic kit plus the one atomizer per month.. they will work take my word for it..

u can save money on the carts by buying pillbox classic carts and syringing them out for liquid..

please dont think when these things go disposable the price will drop.. it wont..

trog

I went for a DSE901B which has 2 x Battery and I also purchased an extra battery (3 in total) and atomizer and hope this lasts me a decent amount of time..

Im thinking of charging all the batteries up and using them in rotation, I read that I need to charge them all for 8 Hours for best charge, which seems a long time. So first day I recieve the product will probably be keeping to my normal smokes and get everything in preparation for the next day and go e-smoke only

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Hi 20

Been off 'hot-smoking' (© MacFan) for 12 days. Getting my eyes fried at the start of August so want a particle free house. This is after about a month of combo e and hot smoking. I couldn't go exclusively e-smoking from the start, like some of the forum heroes.

As to the PTB making sure it's safe, they're only just waking up to it. Perils of the internet world, I'm afraid - the perimeter is no longer manned.

We're all living on the maybe lethal vs certain death equation. TB makes a good point about Big T only getting away with it because of custom and usage. No way would cigarettes make it to market as a new product. This is the only point worth making in favour of the anntis - when kids now in the womb are grandfathers, hot-smoking may well have vanished from the face of the earth .

Emp

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

always need a rebel in the group, Bob! And to be fair he was pointing me at Pillbox. Anyway, I'm a dilettante with more money than sense so I'll carry on buying across the spectrum - that Sedansa Diva Leaford's so taken with calls to me just as much as Smokester's funky black'n'blue DSE901b.

I'm not quite brainless enough to ignore the weight of negative posting about e-cig, though - I haven't forgotten the 50ml shorting they gave you, and I'm really loath to order anything from China. EU for me, although I'll stretch a point to get my hands on some Johnson Creek when he opens...

Emp

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

I went for a DSE901B which has 2 x Battery and I also purchased an extra battery (3 in total) and atomizer and hope this lasts me a decent amount of time..

Im thinking of charging all the batteries up and using them in rotation, I read that I need to charge them all for 8 Hours for best charge, which seems a long time. So first day I recieve the product will probably be keeping to my normal smokes and get everything in preparation for the next day and go e-smoke only

Good luck with that, but don't think you have to be one side of the line or the other. I'm fairly certain your hot-smoking will reduce drastically (I went from a pack a day to about 3) but don't set yourself up for failure by thinking you have to go e-only from the word go. For the first week or so you may find the first ... of the day has to be hot - this is because of the CO and CO2 in burned tobacco. That head-swimming feeling we all thought was a nicotine hit? Brain anoxia, mate.

Emp

 

[20ADAY]

Togg, thanks for your post, rebels are fine with me, havnt worked out why your a rebel yet though, I will probably stick to a cheaper generic (read this term yesterday) product first, will probably stick to UK to begin with though as preffer to be able to get supplies fast if I take to this e-cgig lark...

Bob, I will give them a wide bearth, if the general consensus is that they are a poor supplier and will stick to a "England" supplier, I stay in Scotland though.. better update my profile

Emp, think your right m8, I wont force myself to go strait from hot smoking to e-cigs in one go, I will pace myself and see what happens... Interesting what you say about brain anoxia! not 100% sure what it means, will look it up though..

 

[trog100]

bob we can only quote from experience.. i ordered four new pipe atomizers on Saturday night from e-cig.. early today i got the shipping confirmation and tracking number.. they send out three emails.. one your order has been accepted.. two saying its being processed and will be shipped.. three saying its been shipped and giving a tracking number..

i have no qualms that these spares wont arrive with luck on Friday or at worse on Monday.. as for being lied to i expect that from retailers.. but i do live in a different county than u.. he he

over about twenty orders.. all except one arrived with no hassle.. the hassle wasnt e-cigs fault simply british customs or TNT.. i now avoid big orders..

of course i wouldnt try and send faulty parts back.. i buy from china on a no guarantee basis.. one thing i can say.. i have not received one dead on arrival product.. they do check each part before shipping.. i have received poorly working parts.. mainly their minies.. i simply wont buy any more minies.. they suit me bob which is why i continue to use them....

but we both need different things from our sellers.. u need good back up service.. all i want is for them to send me what i ask for.. when i ask for it.. in this respect they have been faultless.. they have never failed to deliver..

so if its back up service u want.. avoid e-cig.. avoid china.. if its simple someone to reliably send u what u ask for.. e-cig over the last three months have served me well..

i aint a rebel bob.. i gave up being on of those in my twenties.. i am just a wise man who knows the way of the world and uses it to his advantage.. which means if nobody in the UK sells what i need at a price i am prepared to pay.. i have to buy from china..

but i am wise enough to know.. i give up a whole bunch of consumer rights when i do buy from china.. i find it odd americans dont seem to know this.. he he

trog

 

[Jason]

Just to add my opinion to the mix...

I opt for the e-cig.com cigars, knowing full well that they're poorly made and "disposable". I do this for a couple reasons:
1. Using a cigar model (e-cig.com's or otherwise) I can use standard 10440 Li-Ion batteries.
2. It costs me $9 to replace the whole unit, with a failure rate of 1/month that's not bad.
3. When something does fail I have a $9 spare and don't have to wait for shipping.

It's certainly not ideal, but I don't want to be in a position where my equipment fails (battery, atomizer, switch, etc.) and I have to wait for a replacement. Because of that, my options are to either go with e-cig.com or to spend money on two quality units.

Remember, just my two cents.

 

[TropicalBob]

Peace, brother, but this statement is why E-Cig is a flashpoint for not just me but huge number who bought from them and vented their fury before E-Cig took down its forum:

all i want is for them to send me what i ask for

And that's exactly how my trouble with E-Cig began. Old story now. Peace, out.

 

[trog100]

Just to add my opinion to the mix...

I opt for the e-cig.com cigars, knowing full well that they're poorly made and "disposable". I do this for a couple reasons:
1. Using a cigar model (e-cig.com's or otherwise) I can use standard 10440 Li-Ion batteries.
2. It costs me $9 to replace the whole unit, with a failure rate of 1/month that's not bad.
3. When something does fail I have a $9 spare and don't have to wait for shipping.

It's certainly not ideal, but I don't want to be in a position where my equipment fails (battery, atomizer, switch, etc.) and I have to wait for a replacement. Because of that, my options are to either go with e-cig.com or to spend money on two quality units.

Remember, just my two cents.

jason... how much use do your cheapo cigars get.. i tell u why i ask.. my cigarillos are a total disaster.. part of my logic say they are or should be the same as the cheapo cigars.. but i have tested seven of them none of the seven have lasted more than four or five days.. lets say vaporized 10 ml of fluid before turning into total wimps.. they are that bad i cant believe they are that bad.. he he he.. there is no logical reason they should be.. they all work nicely when new they just simply die off at a silly rate..

i do like the cheap simple design and shape i have thought the cigar might be better if only cos it might come off a different production line.. it certainly cant be any worse.. he he

so u recon a months good use on average.. are we talking the same kinda use here.. 2 to 3 ml a day.. cos if i thought i could get even two weeks good use out of the cigars i would go for them.. at the price they are a bargain.. i have tried very hard with cigarillos but they genuinely are not much use..

trog

 

[Jason]

jason... how much use do your cheapo cigars get..

The best cigar lasted three months and withstood two cleanings. The worst lasted two weeks. I drip exclusively (don't use a cartridge at all), usually using two drops at a time. I go through about 50ml of liquid a month.

We've got quite a few people here at work who've ordered from e-cig and it seems that people who drip get much more vapor and life out of the cigars. Cartridges seem to kill them pretty quick.

 

[20ADAY]

Just to add my opinion to the mix...

I opt for the e-cig.com cigars, knowing full well that they're poorly made and "disposable". I do this for a couple reasons:
1. Using a cigar model (e-cig.com's or otherwise) I can use standard 10440 Li-Ion batteries.
2. It costs me $9 to replace the whole unit, with a failure rate of 1/month that's not bad.
3. When something does fail I have a $9 spare and don't have to wait for shipping.

It's certainly not ideal, but I don't want to be in a position where my equipment fails (battery, atomizer, switch, etc.) and I have to wait for a replacement. Because of that, my options are to either go with e-cig.com or to spend money on two quality units.

Remember, just my two cents.

I had a look at e-cig.com cant see an entire cigar for $9 ?

Also it leads to a good point, these device would be far better if they used more standard batteries!

 

[Jason]

I had a look at e-cig.com cant see an entire cigar for $9 ?

Also it leads to a good point, these device would be far better if they used more standard batteries!

The "entire cigar" for $9 is the cigar atomizer:
https://e-cig.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=755

We place group orders for everyone at work and the atomizer is $9 when you buy more than 5 (I think).

The atomizers come with the battery L.E.D. cap, but without the mouthpiece. I have tons of mouthpieces sitting around so I don't need more of those.

Basically, I pick up the brand new atomizer, drop in a battery, screw on a mouthpiece and and I'm ready to drip and smoke.

Using "standard" batteries was a big reason I went with the cigar as opposed to a pen model.

I picked up a two battery charger (no more waiting for a recharge):
DealExtreme: $12.58 Ultra Fire 10440 14500 Ac Charger

And I can get decent batteries with free shipping much cheaper than the custom cigarette batteries:
DealExtreme: $4.32 Ultra Fire 10440 3.6V 500mAh 2Pack

Edit:
Okay, the more I think about it, the more I'm unsure if the LED cap is included with the atomizer. I'd hate for someone to order just an atomizer and get screwed.