Chrome end caps

[BuzzKill]

Good Stuff ! this REALLY helps us to understand what exactly is going on .

Like I said I have stuff coming to do some REAL TESTS , this will cycle the batts on a 2 amp load 5 volts at 2.5 ohms or some other combo ( not sure yet I have to run some numbers )
I plan on a 6 sec. ON time and a 24 sec. Off Time so worst case timing then we will put a counter on output and count the ON cycles , from that we can determine the EXACT ON TIME for SURE .

This will allow us to quantify the battery life , I plan on setting this test up so that other MFG ( IF they want to ) can reproduce the tests exactly.

 

[moorea]

Well My batteries finally died. Started using them around 11:00am Saturday woke up this morning, took a good vape and the next one there was nothing, then I noticed the LED was out! My husbands batteries are still going, but he does not vape through the night, I tend to fall asleep with buzz in hand!

I'm impressed, got all Saturday, all Sunday and was at least able to hit it once before I got out of bed Monday!

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

I've long felt that.

A count of hours means anything only if you know who you're talking about, what their habits are. Otherwise it's just an arbitrary number.

 

[markfm]

PI, I absolutely agree. I , for instance, am consistent at 6 ml use, but that is at 8 watts, 1.5 - 1.6a, 3 - 3.4 ohm cartos, 5 - 5.2v range with my particular blend. Another person may hit entirely different run time.

(my times are not to battery drained, I just swap sets at end of the day)

An actual test that is reproducible with other products is, however, interesting to my geek side

 

[BuzzKill]

I'll have to start ECIST ( E, Cig, Institute , Standards , Technology ) LMAO !

( a take of of " NIST " , National Inst, Stan, Tech )

 

[markfm]

Either that or the Mod Institute of Technology

 

[BuzzKill]

Current Test for ECIST standard

#1 Load = 2.0 ohms @ 5.0 volts = 2.5 Amp @ 12.5 watts

#2 Load = 2.0 Ohms @ 4.0 volts = 2.0 amps @ 8 watts

#3 Load = 1.5 ohms @ 3.5 volts = 2.33 amps @ 8.16 watts

#4 Load = 1.5 ohms @ 4.25 volts = 2.83 amps @ 12 watts

Timing = 6 seconds ON , 24 seconds OFF , measure cycles with a counter until batteries are fully discharged from a full charge cycle.

Use cyclic timer


My thoughts are that a 2.0 ohm load should be used for the test as a base line because LR attys etc. are down around 1.5 ohms and regular are up around 3 ohms so this is closer to the mainline of users ( ok 2.25 ohm is closer ! ) also 2.0 amps is closer to what the batteries are designed for . you do NOT want to setup a test that is at the edge of a components failure zone.

 

[markfm]

The one add I might suggest is something up around 5 - 5.2v, 3 - 3.4 ohms. That also gets you in the lower end sweet spot 8W, but is letting the voltage do the work, while still stayng within readily available resistance.

 

[BuzzKill]

The one add I might suggest is something up around 5 - 5.2v, 3 - 3.4 ohms. That also gets you in the lower end sweet spot 8W, but is letting the voltage do the work, while still stayng within readily available resistance.

Good point BUT I am thinking just ONE test setup for the baseline , the problem with to many test is that you can not quantify them to each other !

 

[markfm]

You are right, I'm just wondering if my good run time relates to lower draw

 

[sashwa]

Okay just had to change out batteries. This time they went about 7 hours or so and about 3 ml or so. They went in to the BP at 4.09 each and came out 3.55 and 0.

I took a pin and ran it around the fire button a good number of times with no help in getting it firing each and every time.

 

[BuzzKill]

Okay just had to change out batteries. This time they went about 7 hours or so and about 3 ml or so. They went in to the BP at 4.09 each and came out 3.55 and 0.

I took a pin and ran it around the fire button a good number of times with no help in getting it firing each and every time.

Ok the switch has to be bad or intermitten ( this happens ! ) we will fix it Sashwa

 

[Rosco]

Okay just had to change out batteries. This time they went about 7 hours or so and about 3 ml or so. They went in to the BP at 4.09 each and came out 3.55 and 0.

I took a pin and ran it around the fire button a good number of times with no help in getting it firing each and every time.

.....and here I was thinking you could get anything to fire whenever you wanted it to...fire.

 

[markfm]

5 hours after the t1/t2 pair died, I checked them and they were both reporting 3.75v. After about 8 puffs, t1 still 3.75, t2, the bottom battery, measured 3.55.

I still call then dead at 3 ml - they stopped working st that time even if something later kicked back alive. They were intermittent, then unresponsive when checked over about a half hour from the first fail point (before I stopped checking until just now).

Switching to b1& b2. Fresh off the charger they are 4.10 & 4.11v.

Note that t2 and b2 had both come off the charger at 4.17v yesterday, so they are coming off a little lower than before. (i had not recorded the t1/b1 first values, but believe they were in that 4.17 zone).

Zombie batteries

 

[markfm]

Apologies for posting battery stuff here.

The end cap off-not-working item is, I believe, known, being worked, affects some, but not all, units, at least in the first couple days of build. Mike picked up on it immediately, as soon as he heard the problem description.

 

[sashwa]

Ok the switch has to be bad or intermitten ( this happens ! ) we will fix it Sashwa

Me broke it already ?

So What do I need to do - Just send it back to the address on the box with a note?

 

[Ruppy]

Me broke it already ?

So What do I need to do - Just send it back to the address on the box with a note?

On mikes site follow the RMA link on the returns page
Print it out and fill it out
Send it in the box with it Youll get it back in a couple days. RMA units get priority and go to the front of the line

 

[Rosco]

Me broke it already ?

So What do I need to do - Just send it back to the address on the box with a note?

NO fear....I believe this is a test sashwa - and you passed with flying colors.
Now Mike will return it to you in NEW shape.

I'm proud of ya too...not just anyone would have caught this tricky....trick..test thing.

 

[BuzzKill]

On mikes site follow the RMA link on the returns page
Print it out and fill it out
Send it in the box with it Youll get it back in a couple days. RMA units get priority and go to the front of the line

Ruppy has it right , we test each unit 100% but intermittent issues do not always show up .

 

[markfm]

Likelihood that I have the same problem as sashwa? Gets through about 3 ml until one batt dies? Curious to see if their batt resets in. about 5 hours, like mine did today.

Happy to keep logging,.simple enough to do