cigar disassembly

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mogur

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I was having a blast with this cheap DX cigar until a week later when it stopped working from an overdose of juice. Until then, it was filling a room like a fog machine.
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The culprit seemed to be the bathtub sized cartridge-
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juice ran down throughout the cigar and finally messed up the electronics. So, here goes another inspection tour. First, the cheap paper glued to the plastic tube-
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Then the electronics start to emerge from the ‘ash cap’ end-
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But the rest of it was stuck, so I had to split the tube with my trusty Swiss army knife-
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The voltage of the Li-Ion cell was still up there-
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The atomizer is HUGE, and there’s nothing to stop juice from running down the entire cigar-
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Looks like about three wraps of NiCr, which measured a mere 1.2 ohms. The wick flares and contacts the nickel foam surround on both ends-
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The charger jack is a 1mm coaxial with shunt switch-
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The inside/outside of the air switch looks like this, and don’t ask me how it works, because I can’t figure it out. Maybe the plate with the three holes moves away from the pcb surface on the right (inside the switch) and breaks contact between the semicircle traces on the outer edge, but with no spring, how does it return?-
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I tore apart the air switch because I plan on a rebuild with a manual switch. To stop the juice from flowing past the atomizer, I found a straw to act as dam. I will silicone it in when I reassemble the cigar, and goop up the hole for the wires, also-
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If anyone is interested in the electronics, I aligned a picture of both side of the pcb with the air switch removed, then flipped the right side of the image, so I could reverse engineer a schematic-
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It all makes sense except the “A” pin on the IC. When the charger plug is engaged, the shunt wire is no longer grounded, and therefore disables the coil. But how can A be a positive input pin for charging and a 1 amp output pin for the coil when vaping? The chip seems to be a microcontroller because it blinks on low battery and shuts off on long hits. But, even if it has a built in mosfet to handle the coil current output, that shouldn't allow it to also handle high current input for recharging the battery on the same pin.
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I probably won't be displaying the mod, duct tape isn't the prettiest sight in the world.
 

kinabaloo

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I don't see the problem with Pin A - the coil ground is disconnected during charge; even e-cig batteries work like this - one contact (pin) is both atty current out and also charge current in. The microcontroller takes care of it with some internal switching.

Battery protection is built in to the 14500. So maybe no internal switching required - the earth breaker on the jack socket is all that's needed. Ah, but the blinking must be from the cigar controller ...
 
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kinabaloo

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That air switch probably works on the same principle as a tactile switch, but with a much more flexible membrane - that's my guess anyway.

"The wick flares and contacts the nickel foam surround on both ends" Shows that this arrangement can indeed work - well even. Very interesting!

And though the atomizer is 'huge', the coil is quite small; seems that lots of foam is what makes this work well - that and the direct coil-wick contact.

Will be great to mod this device ... :)
 
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mogur

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mogur - that's a fascinating expose - thanks !

interesting it has our friend the 14500 battery inside :)

how much are these cigars - compared to just buying the battery ??

$21 - $23, I think. Three huge carts, not a bad taste, either; it's better than my marlboro juice.

I don't see the problem with Pin A - the coil ground is disconnected during charge; even e-cig batteries work like this - one contact (pin) is both atty current out and also charge current in. The microcontroller takes care of it with some internal switching.

Battery protection is built in to the 14500.

Battery charge in on an ecig is the same as atomizer coil out at the connector, of course, but the 901 I looked at used external mosfets. Anyway, will have to take another look at that 14500, it might depend on protection from the charger and microcontroller
 

kinabaloo

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$21 - $23, I think. Three huge carts, not a bad taste, either; it's better than my marlboro juice.



Battery charge in on an ecig is the same as atomizer coil out at the connector, of course, but the 901 I looked at used external mosfets. Anyway, will have to take another look at that 14500, it might depend on protection from the charger and microcontroller


Good price for all that ! Even get a piece of straw ;)

I believe the 14500 batt.s have in-built protection; so I guess we are looking at double protection here - just to do the fancy blinking thing ...

Didn't see any mosfets on the 901 battery i disassembled, perhaps i didn't recognise them without a big casing - there was just some caseless components on a tiny board; surely no mosfets involved in the one i had(?) Or must there have been?? The board got crushed while getting the internals out - but still have it somewhere, can take a look ...

Really want to get to work recasing this cigar - upgrade the straw and plastic tube to something gorgeous ... it has many good features, functionality-wise, by all accounts (well, by mogur's account - that's good enough for me; wanting one ...)

ps: the 'air-switch' does look a bit like a condenser microphone - so that's another possibility. 'Condenser ' is an old word for capacitor - i.e. two plates with a gap.
 
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kinabaloo

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Just had an idea : this mght look really good re-cased in an acrylic tube with all the innards on show. It's been done for a box mod, but might suit this too. Otherwise a brushed platinum tube might be good; maybe a metal cigar tube (case). There are some nice ones, and about the right size too :)

For example:
a-zlighters_2055_1346930

http://www.elighters.com/accessories-cigar-cases-cigar-tubes.html

PoundLand (uk) mini eye-glasses cases are quite nice too (colored aluminium, 2-part); and only a pound!
 
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Looking at your pics, that little disc would likely be a piezo disc transducer, used as a microphone, not a mechanical switch

Perhaps, all forms are cheap, the 'electret'/'condenser' or piezo form; though tactile-style, diapghram (though without attached contact point; so like a tact switch) is also a possibility; if not what it is, is could be done ;)

Good to see you RjG, the first cigar afficionado :)

Interesting about the coil-wick to metal foam huh ...
 

mogur

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Ahhhh, you guys are right, where is my brain. I even yelled at it once, because it seemed to react to noise. (It didn't turn on to my voice, but then that was after the electronics got flooded. My brother thought I was crazy, though.) I forgot about that. I haven't looked inside a piezo mic before, I just assumed there would be a big crystal of some kind.

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Sry about the crap pictures, but my camera NiMHs are in the five hour charger, and this cheap USB microscope camera sucks (DX, too). This is the front and back side of my 901 pcb. The conformal coating really messes up the id, but those look like two SOT-23-3s to me. I don't know. What do you guys think?
 
Good spot mogur - looks right.

IC Package, 3-lead SOT-23, Specification - Fairchild Semiconductor

Found the old 901 PCB; mine has only one discrete mosfet; a second space is just that - a space! Perhaps a bit too small to work with :(

Ahhhh, you guys are right, where is my brain. I even yelled at it once, because it seemed to react to noise. (It didn't turn on to my voice, but then that was after the electronics got flooded. My brother thought I was crazy, though.) I forgot about that. I haven't looked inside a piezo mic before, I just assumed there would be a big crystal of some kind.

Sry about the crap pictures, but my camera NiMHs are in the five hour charger, and this cheap USB microscope camera sucks (DX, too). This is the front and back side of my 901 pcb. The conformal coating really messes up the id, but those look like two SOT-23-3s to me. I don't know. What do you guys think?
 
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