Cinnamon extraction and cocoa extraction

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Tona Aspsusa

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The cocoa is extremely good as an extract(I dipped my finger in), not overly strong, so I really had my doubts how it would taste when mixed. It's not as strong as I'd like. Also, I had to go to 20% to get an adequate amount of flavor. It is much lighter in color. It doesn't taste bad; it's just not that "in your face" kind of flavor. This also may change when it steeps, I dunno.

Please keep us posted on this!

But I am curious, isn't the cocoa extraction the least bitter?
Every cocoa powder I've ever used (for baking or for real hot chocolate) absolutely *needs* some sugar to be palatable, at least to me. For drinking chocolate (with 1-3% milk) I need at least 1/4 teaspoon of sugar for every tsp of cocoa, and that is really more medicine than a treat. Typical mixes are usually something like 2:1 sugar/cocoa, I rather like 1:1 or just a tad more cocoa, but these are ratios developed when I wanted to maximize the cocoa. The 0.25:1 ratio was the absolute limits of what my tastebuds could deal with (in milk, in water this would probably have been quite impossibly bitter).

Or does the PG/VG (forgot which you used, sorry) supply enough sweetness to balance the bitterness?

(This is very interesting to me, because I only have one chocolate flavouring (supposed to be some kind of milk chocolate I think) and I tried mixing it with mint and it was epic fail. Sickly sweet, bland, just horrible. I also happen to have far more cocoa powder than I will ever use for baking or cups of weirdly strong hot cocoa.)
 

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Let me say up front, I am a lousy dripper. I couldn't seem to get a good taste dripping, so I sacrificed a carto to test it. My base is 50%pg/50%vg.

Well, the cinnamon extract is very dark. I had to go up to 20% to suit my taste for a nice full bodied bakery cinnamon taste. Even mixed, it's a darkish liquid. I am going to strain it again through a clean coffee filter to be sure there are no particulates in the extract. It is absolutely yummy, just like this. I'd truly give it 5 stars. I don't know if it'll be a "clogger" or not, but it will be a very nice stand alone flavor, and definitely a wonderful complimentary bakery flavor. It may get stronger after steeping, I dunno.

The cocoa is extremely good as an extract(I dipped my finger in), not overly strong, so I really had my doubts how it would taste when mixed. It's not as strong as I'd like. Also, I had to go to 20% to get an adequate amount of flavor. It is much lighter in color. It doesn't taste bad; it's just not that "in your face" kind of flavor. This also may change when it steeps, I dunno.

Also, I added no other flavoring or sweetner to either one. Anyone else trying this?
Yes, I would steep it. I still have 15ml of the coffee extract, when I first posted the recipe. I just tasted it right out of the bottle, and it tastes like Cuban Buche x 1000...I don't even taste the pg..Strong stuff...
 

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Thanks for that hint. I did not allow mine to steep that long before straining. I'm going to try it again.
I did both about a month ago but used a cin stick for the cinnamon. I also filtered both through several layers of paper towels for the strain (took awhile but NO particles, dark but clear). Also, I let my coffee, tea, cocoa and cinnamon steep for a couple of days in the pg before straining (in a sunny window). You get a much stronger extract that way ;)
 

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I thought it would be bitter as well. In my experience with baking cocoa, it has always been bitter on its own. Surprisingly, this did not need any extra sweetner. I used a 50%pg/50%vg base, and of course the extract is 100% pg. Of course, I haven't tried any recipes with it yet, just trying to get strong flavor.
Please keep us posted on this!

But I am curious, isn't the cocoa extraction the least bitter?
Every cocoa powder I've ever used (for baking or for real hot chocolate) absolutely *needs* some sugar to be palatable, at least to me. For drinking chocolate (with 1-3% milk) I need at least 1/4 teaspoon of sugar for every tsp of cocoa, and that is really more medicine than a treat. Typical mixes are usually something like 2:1 sugar/cocoa, I rather like 1:1 or just a tad more cocoa, but these are ratios developed when I wanted to maximize the cocoa. The 0.25:1 ratio was the absolute limits of what my tastebuds could deal with (in milk, in water this would probably have been quite impossibly bitter).

Or does the PG/VG (forgot which you used, sorry) supply enough sweetness to balance the bitterness?

(This is very interesting to me, because I only have one chocolate flavouring (supposed to be some kind of milk chocolate I think) and I tried mixing it with mint and it was epic fail. Sickly sweet, bland, just horrible. I also happen to have far more cocoa powder than I will ever use for baking or cups of weirdly strong hot cocoa.)
 

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I'm about ready to try making some vapeable cocoa, but I just want to ask:

I started a cinnamon and a cocoa extraction today. I used ground cinnamon from the dollar store and Nestle 100% pure cocoa(the kind for baking). I followed the "EXACT" same instructions as to make a coffee extraction.

When you say "the exact same instructions" as with the coffee, do you really mean that you use as much cocoa powder by volume as you would ground coffee? (iirc about halfway up in a small glass jar, add PG to fill it up)

I'm just thinking that cocoa is more of a powder, and hence much denser if measured by volume than ground coffee.


Oh, and I'm thinking of trying this with some aqueous glycerine (15% H20), simply because that is the only thing that is really easy for me to get (asked two pharmacies, neither had any pure glycerine :-(). It will be interesting to see if it works at all.
 

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Yes, that's exactly what I did. I used a 30ml bottle. Also, if I had it to do over again, I would let the mixture steep in the bottle for a couple of days before straining through the coffee filter. On the previous page, someone mentioned that it helped to make her extract stronger.

It also just makes sense to me to use glass measuring cups/pyrex bowls instead of bottles until after the last strain, then pour the end result into the bottle. Much easier. YMMV
 

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Thanks, my4jewels. And good point about suitable vessels, Bostonsnboxers.

I didn't have a suitable small bottle, and didn't want to use an open cup, so I used an old spice-bottle with a volume of about 100-120ml. Into that I measured ~20 ml cocoa powder and 20 ml aquous glycerine.
This looked and felt like a paste, so I added an extra 10ml of the glycerine. Stirred and shook it up, left it in a hot bath for an hour. Now it is standing on the kitchen counter looking cocoa-y, and there it will remain for a few days.

I have no idea how I will be able to filter it - I seriously doubt a paper coffee filter will catch all particulates. But we'll see.

As I was mixing this paste I remembered that I had seen cocoa-shards for sale in a nut&spice shop some weeks ago (together with cocoa butter - mmm, the smell and feel of that was seriously yummy), and I started thinking if maybe that would be a better form for doing this. But maybe there's too much of the cocoa fats still left in those? Would be easier to strain, that's for sure, even if you grind it up a bit.
 

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Eat it, don't vape it


Well, I'd probably eat all that stuff, not vape it :)

Take a small dish that will take heat and cold: maybe a Pyrex or similar pot, about 4" across and 2" deep.

Fill it to half an inch with hot water or milk (or 50-50). Or use water plus tinned condensed milk.

Stir in 4 heaped tablespoons of cocoa powder, hot chocolate drink powder, or a mix. If you only use cocoa then perhaps you'll need some brown sugar too. It takes some stirring... You could add a tiny bit of cinnamon or vanilla - but take it easy. Now you have 3/4" depth of choccy sludge.

Then take two Digestive biscuits, crumble them up, and stir them in. In case you don't have McVitie's Digestives locally, they are sweetened plain wheatmeal crumbly biscuits.

This gives you about 1" depth of thick chocolaty mix in the dish. Now freeze it for 15 minutes. Pull it out while you can still cut it, and cut it into 6 or 8 sections. Cover with clingfilm and put it back in the freezer for storage.

Makes a nice frozen choccy biscuity bite on a hot day :)

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eat 'um, don't vape 'um
 

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OK now I'll tell you what I call it: Frozen Sludge. Hehe.

So, what is a biscuit in FL then?

We have to take special measures here if there is a hot day, it could be fatal for us, normally it is so cold and damp. Another thing I do is freeze pineapple chunks. If it gets hot, one day a decade normally, you can suck on frozen pineapple chunks. Nice.

Or just put them in your rum of course.
 
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