had a 28ga wrapped with 32 gauged clapton
i did a simple 26 gauge 7 wraps, tastes the same lmaos
maybe its just me, thoughts?
i did a simple 26 gauge 7 wraps, tastes the same lmaos
maybe its just me, thoughts?
claptons... overrated imo
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They tend to work a bit better with a higher gauge tight outer wrap and lower ohms, higher wattage. I did the single, twisted, duals, parallels for a while, but once you get dialed into clapton's, there is a world of difference.
The only reason I make claptons is if I want to wrap NiCr with kanthal. Otherwise, a simple twist is close enough.
I found Claptons much cooler and are better at higher wattage. Like considerably. im yet to build a basic single wire build which can handle anything over 50 watts without getting to high or burning, however im a novice builder and so my wicking, RDA, quality of build etc may be responsible for this. As for things like flavor i don't really notice a difference however to be honest im not very in tune with flavors. Anytime i get a new flavor i drastically notice it but after chain vaping all day at 70-100 watts it all just taste the same to me. like hot,throat hit and vapor.
Tried them...
I Vape under 30 watts and over .6 ohms though.....
And went back to single wire open coils in the tanks.
I Vape under 30 watts and over .6 ohms though.....
And went back to single wire open coils in the tanks.
hi mrez !
I agree build a jig for making claptons make tight wound in 10 seconds ..perfect every time.
but the reason I am not in to using them is like yousaid higher wattage !!
vaping at around 20 to 22 watts now and getting good flavor ..clouds ..and battery life from 4 strand twisted .
the ohms I like best are around 1.5 to even 2 . for my style of tootle puffing !! in a tank (aromamizer )
can see them in a dripper ..if you are into higher wattage .
ps the twist is with 34 gage
I vape 70W-90W with naked wire (on a mech). Typically, I build dual coils, 23G or 24G N80 (Kanthal will work), 3mm-3.6mm ID usually 3.2mm, 3 wide spaced wraps every now-and-then four. Never any burning. Something to try.
Naw man, aliens & framed muti-strand high gauge & framed staples are the current fad. Claptons are just good coils. A 28/32g Clapton isn't ideal, but a 24g or 26g with a high gauge (36-40g) wrap is a better option. I usually make fused 28/40's (2 cores) and those are great because it's a parallel with more surface area with barely any density added. I do it with Ni200/N80 wrap for TC while leaving the Ni200 leads exposed so they're the only thing making contact with the posts.
With non-TC builds, you can easily vape in a lower wattage range using a Clapton with a high gauge wrap.
Im not into anything that takes an ad break to heat up. I got over exotic builds the day i built a twisted coil and the ramp up was ridiculous....lasted 4 toots before i ripped it out and put a single wire coil back in.
I cannot imagine the level of .... retentiveness neccessary to sit there with jigs and swivels and drills and not to mention the most dire sight in humanity, a man with fr@cking tweezers...fiddling about
Ever see that youtube clip of the guy who painstakingly tweezes out minute bits of cotton, dressing his wick minutely perfectly? You know the one that made everyone i know feel uncomfortable, like they were watching this guy playing with his precious? Only one step away from making a damn skin suit so they can become mother some of these people
Might have been this vid, or one even more ....
Ive been vaping 10 months and i havent spent the amount of time in the entire 10 months building and wicking as he does in this one video.
Whats my point? Vaping - it doesnt need to be complicated, so i dont understand why so many people are hell bent on doing exactly that...
If you want to make videos and play with things, get a doll maybe and play dress ups
In 10 months of whacking out 7-11 wrap single wire 26g 3mm ID coils, and wicks:
Number of bad coils: 2 (1 nickel one, 1 kanthal)
Number of bad wick jobs: 3 (2 floods, 1 spitty ever so slightly loose one)
I like to vape, not buggerise around, but thats just me.
Full disclosure/disclaimer: I view 99.99% of exotic coils as pure w@nkery. I have too many things to get done, and not enough time. Id rather listen to Clapton than build one.
Full disclosure/disclaimer #2: Im also not a wattage chaser, or as i call them ruler boys.
Full disclosure/disclaimer #3: Im also not a cloud chaser, or as i call them, the people who will get this vaping thing sh#tcanned
I cannot imagine the level of .... retentiveness neccessary to sit there with jigs and swivels and drills and not to mention the most dire sight in humanity, a man with fr@cking tweezers...fiddling about
Ever see that youtube clip of the guy who painstakingly tweezes out minute bits of cotton, dressing his wick minutely perfectly? You know the one that made everyone i know feel uncomfortable, like they were watching this guy playing with his precious? Only one step away from making a damn skin suit so they can become mother some of these people
Might have been this vid, or one even more ....
Ive been vaping 10 months and i havent spent the amount of time in the entire 10 months building and wicking as he does in this one video.
Whats my point? Vaping - it doesnt need to be complicated, so i dont understand why so many people are hell bent on doing exactly that...
If you want to make videos and play with things, get a doll maybe and play dress ups
In 10 months of whacking out 7-11 wrap single wire 26g 3mm ID coils, and wicks:
Number of bad coils: 2 (1 nickel one, 1 kanthal)
Number of bad wick jobs: 3 (2 floods, 1 spitty ever so slightly loose one)
I like to vape, not buggerise around, but thats just me.
Full disclosure/disclaimer: I view 99.99% of exotic coils as pure w@nkery. I have too many things to get done, and not enough time. Id rather listen to Clapton than build one.
Full disclosure/disclaimer #2: Im also not a wattage chaser, or as i call them ruler boys.
Full disclosure/disclaimer #3: Im also not a cloud chaser, or as i call them, the people who will get this vaping thing sh#tcanned
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Couple misconceptions in this thread. One, not all of us who are into some of the fancier builds are wattage chasers. My current most advanced builds are the fused claptons and staggered fused claptons. Both ohm out at about .2-.25 the way I make them, which is my comfort zone for a single tube mechanical mod. When I used them on a regulated device, I hit dual coils with about 70 watts. Rarely do I go about 75 or 80...which for those coils is under 4 volts, very under powered. But the flavor I get of them blows anything else I've made out of the water. It's a much smoother vapes.
Now..regarding the other issue, of "I ain't got time for this sh*t"...that is a bit harsh man. Some of us take this as a hobby, others as a secondary source of income. I fall in the hobby aspect, and it's one of many. Fused coils take me no time at all to make up once you get the hang of them. I like the challenge of making something interesting that's usable...its frustrating as hell (can't do an alien, or a multistrand framed yet, but getting closer), but very enjoyable for me when I get the time to do it.
FInally, it's simple physics at work, you get so much more surface area out of a high gauge clapton, without the added ramp up time of using a low gauge single wire with 7-10 wraps. Most wraps I ever use is 6, and with a 34 gauge outer wrap around a 26 gauge wire, that's a lot of surface area heating up very quick. You don't get that same delivery with a twisted or parallel coil. Hell, I don't even think you get that delivery with a helix or spiral coil(I've tried, since in some respects they are easier to make).
Ultimately vape what works for you, but leave the judgement at the door.
Now..regarding the other issue, of "I ain't got time for this sh*t"...that is a bit harsh man. Some of us take this as a hobby, others as a secondary source of income. I fall in the hobby aspect, and it's one of many. Fused coils take me no time at all to make up once you get the hang of them. I like the challenge of making something interesting that's usable...its frustrating as hell (can't do an alien, or a multistrand framed yet, but getting closer), but very enjoyable for me when I get the time to do it.
FInally, it's simple physics at work, you get so much more surface area out of a high gauge clapton, without the added ramp up time of using a low gauge single wire with 7-10 wraps. Most wraps I ever use is 6, and with a 34 gauge outer wrap around a 26 gauge wire, that's a lot of surface area heating up very quick. You don't get that same delivery with a twisted or parallel coil. Hell, I don't even think you get that delivery with a helix or spiral coil(I've tried, since in some respects they are easier to make).
Ultimately vape what works for you, but leave the judgement at the door.
Maybe i needed to point out theres 99.99% good humour intended in most of my posts
I applaud cleverness, from anyone, but i wonder if newbies especially get overwhelmed with what the "cool kids" are doing and miss the entire central point of vaping...to not smoke.
Saw a newbie the other night trying to fire ridiculous wattages on a mod he hadnt even read the manual of, wonder where he got the idea of huge wattages from, wasnt your average vaper
I do understand the physics theorem behind some of the exotic coils, but ive never struggled to get enough vapor out of a 7 wrap 3mm id coil in a Lemo 2 to keep me off the analogs
And theres a few people who have managed to use prebuilt 1.8 ohm coils to give up smoking too
I try to be amusing, but i have no choice at being rational (im wired that way)
Ill play devils advocate (i do that a lot) and say personally, if i were running the forum, id put all the high wattage and exotic coil stuff in a section only accessible after youve made some reasonably high amount of posts...personally i feel too many newbies get sidetracked into areas and ideas they really dont need to be sidetracked by to simply stop smoking ...
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Maybe i needed to point out theres 99.99% good humour intended in most of my posts
I applaud cleverness, from anyone, but i wonder if newbies especially get overwhelmed with what the "cool kids" are doing and miss the entire central point of vaping...to not smoke.
Saw a newbie the other night trying to fire ridiculous wattages on a mod he hadnt even read the manual of, wonder where he got the idea of huge wattages from, wasnt your average vaper
I do understand the physcis theorem behind some of the exotic coils, but ive never struggled to get enough vapor out of a 7 wrap 3mm id coil in a Lemo 2 to keep me off the analogs
And theres a few people who have managed to use prebuilt 1.8 ohm coils to give up smoking too
I try to be amusing, but i have no choice at being rational (im wired that way)
Ill play devils advocate (i do that a lot) and say personally, if i were running the forum, id put all the high wattage and exotic coil stuff in a section only accessible after you've made some reasonably high amount of posts...personally i feel too many newbies get sidetracked into areas and ideas they really dont need to be sidetracked by to simply stop smoking ...
My apologies then, I get a little weary of the dick measuring contest that vaping can become at times, and since I've been sick all week, my vaping is down and it's leaving me on edge.
My own experience has been the 1.8 preemies didn't work for me, and I didn't really quit smoking fully until I started pushing .2 ohm coils. But, I didn't jump right in either. Took me a long time to get comfortable with lower builds, and more advanced builds, and a lot of research and questions...and I've always been some what risk adverse.
Ugh...and dont talk to me about the lemo 2. I hate that thing, never could get it to work right.
I actually thing you're last paragraph is a great idea, but with all the shops pushing the low builds onto people who shouldn't be using them, I'm not sure how effective that would be. The two shops that I frequent, are both on the more responsible side of things as far as I know. One shop definitely caters to more advanced users (Tom you know the place), the other place is more entry level.
No worries, its hard to tell sometimes, lol, even sometimes im not sure if im intending humour, and just hoping others pick it up that way
I didnt start on prebuilts either, i actually started on what turned out to be an evil leaky subtank building my own coils from day one (which is also the day i quit smoking after 33 years, first press i was converted...lucky). Swapped the subtank for a Lemo 1, then got the Lemo 2, and ive had other tanks since, but thats my favourite tank. Its never let me down yet. Im generally on 0.6 ohm ss coils these days. I think the most bonkers i got when i got into tc was a 0.09 nickel coil..like 13 wraps, had to sit that one diagonally across the Lemo 2 deck to fit it in
The worst day in my vaping history was the day i got a DNA40 mod about 7 months ago, visited my b&M that morning to get nickel and got some tips, went home and built my first coil perfectly, wicked her up perfectly, vaped it for an hour, sat down to write an email to the boys at the b&m crowing how i got my first nickel build perfect (after they warned me nickel was an sob and tricky), got half way through the email and picked up the dna40 and the chip died...hmm, had to slightly alter the email - well i added a few expletives, lets just say.Yes, the time has passed for trying to keep the bonkers stuff out of the hands of newbies
Subtanks were extremely new on the radar when i started, and older heads were cautionign newbies on the local forums Hopefully some might see the new Innokin Endura and take a similar path that i did when starting out (MVP3 and Subtank Mini at a whopping 22w tops
), slowly and with less risks. pbusardo's just done a great video on it and he targets this video at current smokers especially, as this might be the best device yet as a crossover device...simple...no settings - fixed watts even, just one button, on/off and fire, and top fill.Maybe i needed to point out theres 99.99% good humour intended in most of my posts
I applaud cleverness, from anyone, but i wonder if newbies especially get overwhelmed with what the "cool kids" are doing and miss the entire central point of vaping...to not smoke.
Saw a newbie the other night trying to fire ridiculous wattages on a mod he hadnt even read the manual of, wonder where he got the idea of huge wattages from, wasnt your average vaper
I do understand the physics theorem behind some of the exotic coils, but ive never struggled to get enough vapor out of a 7 wrap 3mm id coil in a Lemo 2 to keep me off the analogs
And theres a few people who have managed to use prebuilt 1.8 ohm coils to give up smoking too
I try to be amusing, but i have no choice at being rational (im wired that way)
Ill play devils advocate (i do that a lot) and say personally, if i were running the forum, id put all the high wattage and exotic coil stuff in a section only accessible after youve made some reasonably high amount of posts...personally i feel too many newbies get sidetracked into areas and ideas they really dont need to be sidetracked by to simply stop smoking ...
As someone who has only been vaping for around 2 months, it does seem evident that the current trend is very much high wattage/low ohm/fancy builds. When I went into my local B&M with the intention of buying something to help me give up smoking, with 0 knowledge on vaping, I end up leaving the shop with an iStick 100w/Atlantis 2 tank with .3ohm coils on their recommendation.
Fortunately I found this forum and spent alot of time trying to educate myself more on the topic, because there was 0 chance the setup I ended up getting would of helped me give up smoking! I now use a nautilus tank with 1.8ohm coil at 12w throughout most of the day, but have recently discovered RDA's. For me the nautilus is what stops me from smoking and I consider RDA's/Subohm tanks/fancy builds/ high wattage vaping and all the rest of it more as the hobby side of it.
I think our local b&m's median kit is a subox these days for the younger people (lol, and i mean people in their late 20's, havent seen a vapor here in Sydney yet under 25) and the basic starter kits for the late starters
My first convert a friend who smoked 40 years, i got started on a Evic VT and a Silo with 1.8 coils, ive since shown him, after he spent many months on is setup, other tanks and tc setups and he's not even slightly interested in progressing beyond the Evic VT (which he liked purely for the battery life) and Silo. Sits there happily at 12w!
. Last month he got me to order another VT and Silo, reckons thats it for gear for him. Lol, i mixed about 7-8 months of juice (hes a 98% unflavoured vaper like me, has the occasional flavour) for him to help him on his way, i reckon that might be the only maintenance i have to do for him Next time i order some bulk nic in from the US, we'll split it and he's hopefully going to learn to mix himself...i could fall off my perch Im so time poor it kinda killed off the tinkerer in me like when i first began, sometimes im travelling 6 hours roundtrip somewhere and all i wanna do is have a reliable vape with no possible calamity, and thats been made even easier with temp control - most of the time i wont even change a wick for a month now, lol, if i wrap a coil its now usually just to keep my hand in, and not because its burnt or clogged
talking of it being a hobby !
I quit smoking about 5 years ago w set of cig look a likes from a mall at 200 bucks !! we came a long way since than !
I still don't see high wattage ..there are 200 w mods now .. maybe soon we need to use a backpack with a motorcycle battery and number eigt lead wires from a back pack !
I havesome 18650 s over two years ..and still vape nicely with them .just wondering how long the will work w brutalizing them with 100 watts ?
the hobby part is so multy fasseted ...build genny type attys wa jig to cut glass tubes . some turned out realy nice.
then build about 20 or so mods now that's a hobby by it self .fiberglas carbon fiber boxes layups and all kinds of regulators from t10 to sx350 and dna 's. pure fun !
also mixing my own juices ..another part of the hobby .
now playing with coils another hobby part ! with different goals than most. how to get the most out of low wattage and still have a satisfying vape.
so you don't need high wattage to call it a hobby ..but nothing wrong with it either . just have fun!
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