clarifying the V1 versus V2 provari, along with clarifying the basic differences between different amps/ohms/volts

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I read a couple different people stating some misinformation about the V2 versus the V1 provari, and stating that it is pointless to upgrade the V1 because of the reasons that are stated in a few others plus the following quote (i don't mean this to be rude or offensive, i only aim to clarify things a little):



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Originally Posted by AZCraig
I spend plenty of time at 5.0 to 5.5 volts with my Provari v1 and Boge 3.0 cartos (in tank and out of tank).
One of the things to consider is that with a higher resistance cartomizer / atomizer, you are able to drive things at a higher wattage without the same current draw that a lower resistance would need.


I.e. 5.5 volts into a 3 ohm load yields 10.08 watts with a 1.83 current draw


In order to generate the same heat with a 2ohm atomizer you'd have to drive it at ~4.5 volts to get the 10.08 watts but your current draw would be significantly higher: ~2.25 A


Battery failure / wear / voltage drop over time is tied to the current draw. So driving a 3 ohm load with a 1.83 A current draw will be potentially safer and "nicer" to your battery than the 2 ohm load with a 2.25 A current draw.




I don't mean for this to sound rude, but this is completely wrong.

The output current is not in any way tied DIRECTLY to the current that is drawn from the battery. Because of the way the boost circuit works, and the fact that the INPUT voltage (from the battery) is limited to whatever the battery is at the time of vaping. What I am saying is that, regardless of the load or voltage or current, the ONLY thing that will affect the current drawn from the battery (and thus the total wear on the battery and the voltage drop over time, as well as the run time on the battery) is the TOTAL OUTPUT POWER.

To use the example in the above quote, if you are using a 5.5 volt setting on a 3 ohm load you are getting 10.08 watts using 1.83 amps, but this is the amperage going into the load, NOT the amps drawn from the battery


if you are using a 2 ohm load, you will need to have the voltage set to 4.5 volts and will then end up with 10.125 watts and end up pushing 2.25 amps through the load, but then you have to remember the boost circuit.


since you are stuck at (we will assume) a 3.7 volt battery voltage, to get 10.1 watts out of a 3.7 volt battery you will need 2.73 amps coming out of the battery. this does NOT change if you put a different load on the OUTPUT of the boost circuit and change the voltage, it ONLY changes if the load power changes. It is sort of complicated to someone not well-versed in electronics, but if you look into it, you will see that it is power that must be conserved here and not the current.


Hope that clears things up ... and hope that shows that, in fact, there is a pretty decent reason to get a V2 over a V1
 

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You are absolutely correct. I was wrong in thinking that the battery wasn't going to be asked to provide more current in order to boost the output voltage.



I read a couple different people stating some misinformation about the V2 versus the V1 provari, and stating that it is pointless to upgrade the V1 because of the reasons that are stated in a few others plus the following quote (i don't mean this to be rude or offensive, i only aim to clarify things a little):



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Originally Posted by AZCraig
I spend plenty of time at 5.0 to 5.5 volts with my Provari v1 and Boge 3.0 cartos (in tank and out of tank).
One of the things to consider is that with a higher resistance cartomizer / atomizer, you are able to drive things at a higher wattage without the same current draw that a lower resistance would need.


I.e. 5.5 volts into a 3 ohm load yields 10.08 watts with a 1.83 current draw


In order to generate the same heat with a 2ohm atomizer you'd have to drive it at ~4.5 volts to get the 10.08 watts but your current draw would be significantly higher: ~2.25 A


Battery failure / wear / voltage drop over time is tied to the current draw. So driving a 3 ohm load with a 1.83 A current draw will be potentially safer and "nicer" to your battery than the 2 ohm load with a 2.25 A current draw.




I don't mean for this to sound rude, but this is completely wrong.

The output current is not in any way tied DIRECTLY to the current that is drawn from the battery. Because of the way the boost circuit works, and the fact that the INPUT voltage (from the battery) is limited to whatever the battery is at the time of vaping. What I am saying is that, regardless of the load or voltage or current, the ONLY thing that will affect the current drawn from the battery (and thus the total wear on the battery and the voltage drop over time, as well as the run time on the battery) is the TOTAL OUTPUT POWER.

To use the example in the above quote, if you are using a 5.5 volt setting on a 3 ohm load you are getting 10.08 watts using 1.83 amps, but this is the amperage going into the load, NOT the amps drawn from the battery


if you are using a 2 ohm load, you will need to have the voltage set to 4.5 volts and will then end up with 10.125 watts and end up pushing 2.25 amps through the load, but then you have to remember the boost circuit.


since you are stuck at (we will assume) a 3.7 volt battery voltage, to get 10.1 watts out of a 3.7 volt battery you will need 2.73 amps coming out of the battery. this does NOT change if you put a different load on the OUTPUT of the boost circuit and change the voltage, it ONLY changes if the load power changes. It is sort of complicated to someone not well-versed in electronics, but if you look into it, you will see that it is power that must be conserved here and not the current.


Hope that clears things up ... and hope that shows that, in fact, there is a pretty decent reason to get a V2 over a V1
 

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Correction, for accuracy.

Regulators have efficiency ratings, which may indeed vary as a function of the output.

For example, see the regulator output efficiency curves at http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...9-mNAQ&usg=AFQjCNF6FT1rGPv_gIlHB6elNdbFlo9o9Q

See page 5 of the spec, figure 2. 5v out at 600 mA, 3w, is about 88% efficient. Go up to a 15v output, 200 mA, again 3w out, and you have just over 85% efficiency. The boost regulator is more efficient at the lower end of the boost, for this case.

What those curves mean is that the source (battery) does have to provide extra current as you increase output voltage.

(this is just a sample dc boost regulator, not one you would really use in a pv)
 
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