Classified Mark Up Jerks.

[TakenALeft67]

The solution to all of this is don't read the classifieds. Now you're gonna complain about what is posted on the individual threads or for bumping? If its that annoying just don't read it! Best not to police transactions that you aren't part of and that aren't breaking any current rules if you get annoyed that easily. If we are complaining however I have an opposite complaint---

People who become so used to the prices they get in a co op that they feel the need to write you and tell you your below what you paid retail price isn't quite low enough for them. There is a whole segment of vapers who practically want you to give something away here.

For this and all other classified irritants-- just move on--life is too short to fuss over someone else's transactions on here.

Some people aren't quite getting it.....

 

[Clearo-Mizer]

Yeah ...i ran into this a few montha ago when i was mod hunting...really turned me off as well..

I think the OP is more about holding the stuff hostage instead of letting it out into the comunity and being usedfor vaping and not profiteering.

I saw listings for a i hybrid before it was even released...looked to me as if the person knew he was going to get at least 3i units and intended to sell them all for twice what he paid.


The solution may be an auction format in the classies...that way the price would be set by the buyer and not the seller...and "real" market values would develop.

 

[TakenALeft67]

This comes up from time to time, and it's already been addressed.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-guidelines-updated-often-without-notice.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-notice-new-classified-tools-please-read.html

Unless it's limited or out of production, pricing is capped at 20% above retail, period. If you see an ad that you feel is unfairly profiteering, report it.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forms.php?do=form&fid=20

Or other complaint: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forms.php?do=form&fid=21

We review all reports, and take the appropriate action on a case by case basis.

Hope this helps.

We are aware of the rules in place. We want a NEW rule, like maybe one that people can't buy LE items and sell them when they haven't even been used!!!

its a classified ad, people should be able to sell/trade used items to a new home for a reasonable price.

We want to stop profiteers from buying LE mods and selling them at huge mark ups without even using the devices! i mean some of the people on here are just buying mods and reselling them! this is a clearly taking the devices out of peoples hands just to rip other community members off!!!

or atleast make a separate classified forum, labeled "HUGE MARK UP ON THE ITEMS!" lol

 

[TakenALeft67]

I think the OP is more about holding the stuff hostage instead of letting it out into the comunity and being usedfor vaping and not profiteering.

When did I say hold stuff hostage? look at my sig, I've traded a ton of nice items for even trades. I mean if you used the item and mark it up 10% because its LE and in great condition thats reasonable. Its the folks buying new released items, never using them, then selling them for a mark up in the classies that bug me.

 

[TakenALeft67]

1000 points to anyone that can come up with a simple new rule for the classifieds that would stop what we have been talking about



I tried, it gets too complicated. lol

 

[greenman]

It's just the nature of the beast, if you wanna play with an out of production high end mod then you gotta be prepared to fork over the cash.

 

[Big Screen D]

Hey it's just pure and simple supply and demand. So long as people are willing to pay a given price for the convenience of buying something they want at an inflated price from someone that snagged it first, that's their prerogative.

The underlying issue really is with the mod makers IMO. If their business model is such that it works for them to limit production of a desired device to maintain a desired profit margin, or simply prefer to not expand production to meet demand, then that item becomes collectable. Of course the danger to the maker is someone else steps in to fill the void, AKA China.

Probably the hottest mod at this time is the Billet Box. Unlike many mod manufacturers, his company is gearing up to produce these in quantity. Destined to become the Provari of box mods IMO. So resale will be good, but not something flippers will be able profit off of I'd think.

 

[badinfluence357]

Some people aren't quite getting it.....

I agree, you want it you buy it. You don't like the price, buy it somewhere else if you can get it cheeper. Crying about it isn't going to reduce the price!!...its very simple !!!....lol

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[Faylool]

I'm not advocating for rule changes to the classifieds. The somewhat recent updates to them are good. I'm still advocating for a separate classifieds for regular things so that the influence of this price gouging and profiteering is no longer able to contaminate the pricing of every day regular unwanted or used items.even if they come from a coop or might be over priced, the atmosphere wouldn't be as supportive to that kind of activity. Separate the classifieds and let 'er rip! More fun, more action less bad vibes

 

[Amirite]

So...the seller of the LE (Limited Edition) is doing nothing wrong as far as the classifieds rules go...


To prevent price gouging there is a max 20% mark up on items that are still available.


Thread makes no sense.

This is rarely enforced. I submitted an offer of 175.00 on a GG Stealth that was listed for 200.00. (20%) The seller doesn't even write back. Yet all the comments are 'great seller!' and 'great prices!' We all know the MSRPs, why doesn't ECFs enforce their own rule? Flagging does nothing.

I propose setting up a look-up table with the maximum price allowable of each item. If the item doesn't exist in the database, then it must be submitted for approval with backing documentation regarding price. And don't allow the original post to be edited (only appended) so price history can be tracked.

 

[greenman]

1000 points to anyone that can come up with a simple new rule for the classifieds that would stop what we have been talking about



I tried, it gets too complicated. lol

Swap those points out to dollars and I'll get right on it.

 

[Clearo-Mizer]

When did I say hold stuff hostage? look at my sig, I've traded a ton of nice items for even trades. I mean if you used the item and mark it up 10% because its LE and in great condition thats reasonable. Its the folks buying new released items, never using them, then selling them for a mark up in the classies that bug me.

i am agreeing with you...i interpreted it as holding the devise for ransom...my bad if i misunderstood your point...I agree with what you are saying

 

[Talyon]

Personally I use this Forum to help others as they have helped me, with support etc. I for one well not use the classified because its against my morals of buying something just to sell for a profit, that is actually intended to help people. I know there's always an exception to the rule, so no need to remind me as that's not the point of this Forum.

 

[Clearo-Mizer]

1000 points to anyone that can come up with a simple new rule for the classifieds that would stop what we have been talking about



I tried, it gets too complicated. lol

AUCTION based listings...this will put the market value of an item squarely in the hands of the BUYER...not the seller..

auction minimums should be retail+10%...the we will see REAL market values set on stuff...

 

[DC2]

There are people who buy all the water before a coming disaster, knowing they can sell it for a profit.
Those people are the same kind of people, and we all know what kind of people they are.

 

[TakenALeft67]

i am agreeing with you...i interpreted it as holding the devise for ransom...my bad if i misunderstood your point...I agree with what you are saying

My bad lol.

 

[greenman]

AUCTION based listings...this will put the market value of an item squarely in the hands of the BUYER...not the seller..

auction minimums should be retail+10%...the we will see REAL market values set on stuff...

I feel we would just lose sellers, forcing the rare out of production mods to find a new market place elsewhere. Even if the sellers in question are quick to the cart and looking to make money on the slow, their will always be people who are going to fork it over for a chance to own one thus creating the new value. I'm not trying to be rude, just feel like it is what it is.

 

[muzichead]

Its all very simple... Just don't even read the classifieds!!! I, to this day have not even tried to become verified for the classifieds. I had the same attitude as the OP of this thread when you didn't need to be verified to browse them. It amazed me what some people asked for some items and amazed me even more that there was people not even blinking to drop their money for some items!!!

The problem as many people have pointed out and that is unity and conformity to the rules set forth by the forum and its moderators. Im my opinion, there is no unity and conformity! Its all smoke and mirrors! It is just what sounds good to them and what works for the time being and when enough people confront them and make a big enough thing out of it, they will then change the rules to benefit themselves and no one else. I could never understand what my standing with PayPal or Ebay had anything to do with being upstanding and or trustworthy! So someone had a bank account verified from Paypal... How is that going to help the forum recoup "MY" money someone bilked me out of? Its not! ECF is just a forum and can do nothing about it. They can ban the person that took my money and ran, (and probably closed their bank account when they did anyway)! Big deal! They still can't guarantee me my money back. So as I asked then, i'll ask again, what good is verification if you can't do anything about it? I seem to recall Paypal having a rule against any ecig sales in their policy to begin with. Is that still in place? If so, they why are they even using them for verification? It all boils down to the forum trying to cover themselves in any event, but long story short as history has proven itself, that all depends on the lawyer you hire and not what the fine print says!!!

 

[TakenALeft67]

The other issue with auctions is people will refuse to sell to the high bidder of the price isn't what they want it to be. There's nothing requiring them to sell if they don't get what they want.

 

[Clearo-Mizer]

The other issue with auctions is people will refuse to sell to the high bidder of the price isn't what they want it to be. There's nothing requiring them to sell if they don't get what they want.

Yep...that may happen...then they get bad reviews....or banned....

This whole issue is stupid...if the rules in place in the classies are not enforced anyway...this is all irrelevant.

If auction based selling scares off the gougers then good...let them go elswhere...auctions are the ONLY proven way to set fair market value and also give advantage to those who may have a little more scratch than the next guy...Auctions are where some of the worlds finest items are bought and sold...think Sotheby's....generally...auctions will bring higher than market prices...so its really not a risk for the seller if his intentions are to get "fair" pricing....but if he is trying to burn folk...it may not be the place for him...or her so it seems