clearomizer vs batteries which is more important to vapor production

[williamclarkonet]

Clearomizer vs Batteries which is more important to vapor production? I have heard different things like "tanks dont matter its just amount of power your battery has or "battery power is a very small part its the tank design that matters" So I was hoping you guys or gals can help me understand this. I'm looking for which factor contributes more to getting bigger vapor. I'm really not ready for Re-Buildables I'm still just trying to figure out vaping in general right now. I'm sorry in advance if my questions is a little noobish and if it has already been answered else were on this site. I would like to limit the tanks to stock tanks(Aspire, Kanger etc) and there stock coils (sorry RBA Fans I love yall) and limit batteries to any Non Mechanical batteries (sorry again DIY Fans I still love yall) thanks in advance for all comments.

 

[Ryedan]

The number of watts your power supply can produce affects your vape. I have a number of different power supplies generally called 'mods', both mechanical and also regulated, that I can put various different batteries into.

As long as your power supply can make the watts you need for your vape, any more power available is irrelevant.

After that the quality of your vape is determined by the juice delivery device on your power supply. Or, the atomizer on your battery

IMO the atty is much more important than the battery, as long as the battery is good enough.

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

For more vapor, look for low ohm coils and high voltage or wattage batteries. Buy 1.2 or 1.5 ohm coils, and a variable voltage or variable voltage and wattage batteries. Plain variable voltage batteries tend to be less expensive than those with variable wattage also, and do essentially the same thing.
Lower ohm coils mean more power is getting to the coil, therefor producing more vapor, and higher coltage batteries are putting out more power to the coil. Don't go to too low of ohms with too high voltage/wattage as I've heard this can damage the device.

In my experience, the atomizer determines the quality of vapor and flavor, while ohms and volts/watts determine amount of vapor.

 

[williamclarkonet]

Thanks sincerelysasquatch and Ryedan for the well informed answers!

 

[Absintheur]

Juice plays a role as well, higher PG gives me more flavor while higher VG gives more vapor. Despite using more than a few RDAs I also still use Kanger Provape BDC heads, especially when driving. Great flavor and vapor from them.

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

I second absintheur, I left that part out. Pg/vg balance also is a factor. Higher vg blend juices produce a bit more vapor, while pg tends to strengthen the flavor. But with lower ohm coils and a variable voltage battery on a high setting can get good amounts of vapor from 50/50 pg/vg blends, and those higher in pg, so that you get the strong flavor from pg while still getting a lot of vapor.

I personally don't use a whole lot of volts when vaping, with low ohm coils I don't have to use the highest voltage setting to get good vapor, and my batteries last longer between charges. Using a higher voltage setting drains batteries quicker. Also, using either lower ohms or higher voltage producing more vapor, it tends to mean more nicotine because usually more vapor = more nicotine. I found I had to lower my nicotine content in my juices when I started low ohm and/or higher voltage vaping. The only time more vapor doesn't mean more nicotine is when the excess vapor is coming from a higher vg ratio in your juice, I believe. This is why people who get big clouds of vapor from dripping, for instance, usually use very low nicotine content in their juice.

 

[Cool-breeze]

With factory coils the coil itself is certainly the bigger factor. Most factory coils can not handle higher voltage. Higher voltage means more heat. Factory coils are so small (and tend to have smaller amounts of liquid able to reach the coil at any one time) that if they burn to hot it will vaporize faster than the wick can get wet meaning you get a dry hit. The battery itself is only relivant in regards to amp limits which typically doesn't come into play until you are in the sub ohm range on coils. So to answer your original question the tank/ coil is where your flavor comes from.

 

[FattyJ]

I can make this easy for you. You want a MVP 2.0 and an Aspire Nautilus Mini with the 1.8 ohm BVC coil. If you buy online you can get all of this for around $70 or so. You will thank me later

 

[kemishdo]

For more vapor, look for low ohm coils and high voltage or wattage batteries. Buy 1.2 or 1.5 ohm coils, and a variable voltage or variable voltage and wattage batteries. Plain variable voltage batteries tend to be less expensive than those with variable wattage also, and do essentially the same thing.
Lower ohm coils mean more power is getting to the coil, therefor producing more vapor, and higher coltage batteries are putting out more power to the coil. Don't go to too low of ohms with too high voltage/wattage as I've heard this can damage the device.

In my experience, the atomizer determines the quality of vapor and flavor, while ohms and volts/watts determine amount of vapor.

Seems rather dangerous, the lower ohm coil the lower voltage you need to vape at, thus less vapor production. or else you vape at a higher than the recommended voltage get it real hot so you get loads of vape and risk the battery exploding or shorting and burning juice. higher voltage can produce better vapor production, but you should use a higher ohm coil also to avoid it getting too hot. Recommend 1.8 or 2.0 coils. If you want loads of vapor, best move on from clearos and VV batteries and on to RBAs and mods.

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

Seems rather dangerous, the lower ohm coil the lower voltage you need to vape at, thus less vapor production. or else you vape at a higher than the recommended voltage get it real hot so you get loads of vape and risk the battery exploding or shorting and burning juice. higher voltage can produce better vapor production, but you should use a higher ohm coil also to avoid it getting too hot. Recommend 1.8 or 2.0 coils. If you want loads of vapor, best move on from clearos and VV batteries and on to RBAs and mods.

I didn't know that. Don't lower ohms allow more power to get to the coil, therefor producing more vapor? I use 1.5 ohm coils and vape at 3.7 volts and it seems like I get more vapor than with higher ohm coils.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

There is a lot more to vapor production than power / resistance.
All clearo's can be improved by various tunes, tweaks, tricks, & fiddling with to provide more vapor & flavor than they do out of the box.

Then there is PG/VG ratio, wicking ability, airflow, coil to wicking material contact area, coil type, size, gauge wire, different wicking materials, juice flow into coil wick, all before worrying about watts volts or resistance.

There is no such thing as x resistance at x power produces the most vapor, It is all about experimenting with the variables until you find what you're looking for.

 

[williamclarkonet]

wow! I love posting questions on this site. I get VERY good answers thanks all!

 

[Ryedan]

I didn't know that. Don't lower ohms allow more power to get to the coil, therefor producing more vapor? I use 1.5 ohm coils and vape at 3.7 volts and it seems like I get more vapor than with higher ohm coils.

Yes, lower ohms will draw more current increasing the watts at a set voltage. So if you can't increase the volts to get more power, you can reduce the resistance to get it. If you are able to set watts with your device, it doesn't matter what the atty resistance is because it will calculate the volts required to make the watts you've set.

Here is a online Ohm's law calculator. Plug in say 2 ohms and 4 volts, hit enter and you'll see that combination draws 2 amps and makes 8 watts. Change the resistance to 1.5 ohms and you get 2.67A and 10.67 watts. Change the resistance back to 2 ohms and increase the volts to 4.5 and you get 2.3A and 10.58 watts, almost the same power as 1.5 ohms at 4V.

Regulated power supplies have a voltage range and sometimes a watt range you can set. They also have a amp limit and a watt limit that they will not let you go above by using a low resistance atty and cranking up the volts. They also have a minimum resistance you can use and anything less than that is considered by the device a short and it will not fire.

 

[Shootist]

As long as the battery device can supply enough voltage and or wattage to the atomizer to heat the coil to the temp needed to vaporize the e-liquid that is all that matters. it is then the atomizer system that gives you the amount of vapor.

So the short answer is the tank, RBA, RTA, RDA that matters the most.

 

[proxion]

Yes, lower ohms will draw more current increasing the watts at a set voltage. So if you can't increase the volts to get more power, you can reduce the resistance to get it. If you are able to set watts with your device, it doesn't matter what the atty resistance is because it will calculate the volts required to make the watts you've set.

Here is a online Ohm's law calculator. Plug in say 2 ohms and 4 volts, hit enter and you'll see that combination draws 2 amps and makes 8 watts. Change the resistance to 1.5 ohms and you get 2.67A and 10.67 watts. Change the resistance back to 2 ohms and increase the volts to 4.5 and you get 2.3A and 10.58 watts, almost the same power as 1.5 ohms at 4V.

Regulated power supplies have a voltage range and sometimes a watt range you can set. They also have a amp limit and a watt limit that they will not let you go above by using a low resistance atty and cranking up the volts. They also have a minimum resistance you can use and anything less than that is considered by the device a short and it will not fire.

+1

Being an EE professional - your information is absolutely correct. One thing that I would like to add for other people's sake though:

Batteries have an internal resistance - due to their chemical nature. If you can, it is better to use higher voltage with higher resistance to achieve the desired power. This increases efficiency and reduces current. Current is what causes power to be dissipated by the internal resistance - i.e. inside the battery.

I know this goes against "less ohms is better", and it is true that max power is delivered when resistance matches internal impedance - I'd rather power be dissipated by the atomizer than inside the battery! Lower currents are inherently safer, for yourself, and the battery.

I imagine that is part of the reason why manufacturers include "short circuit protection".

 

[Ryedan]

+1

Being an EE professional - your information is absolutely correct.

Thank you

One thing that I would like to add for other people's sake though:

Batteries have an internal resistance - due to their chemical nature. If you can, it is better to use higher voltage with higher resistance to achieve the desired power. This increases efficiency and reduces current. Current is what causes power to be dissipated by the internal resistance - i.e. inside the battery.

The problem I have with this is that battery current draw is not equal to regulated device current. The battery does not change voltage, in effect battery amps are used for raising device output voltage. If you run the numbers battery amp draw follows device watt output, no matter what the atty resistance is.

 

[Racehorse]

Clearomizer vs Batteries which is more important to vapor production?

Are you just talking about vapor production, or are you going to include taste/flavor in that?

A batterie is just a power source, but certain juices taste better at low voltage (most fruits) and others at higher voltage.

But if you stick a crummy delivery device on top of *any* battery, you won't get a good result.

So, the delivery device is more important.

I've vaped a cheap clone Ce4 clearo on a $150 mod and a $15 ego clone, and there is little difference.

 

[proxion]

Thank you



The problem I have with this is that battery current draw is not equal to regulated device current. The battery does not change voltage, in effect battery amps are used for raising device output voltage. If you run the numbers battery amp draw follows device watt output, no matter what the atty resistance is.

It appears you are correct... They would use a boost converter to get the extra voltage. We would need to get an equivalent circuit and efficiencies since we're no longer dealing with a purely resistive circuit. Either way, its interesting how they do it.

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[kemishdo]

I didn't know that. Don't lower ohms allow more power to get to the coil, therefor producing more vapor? I use 1.5 ohm coils and vape at 3.7 volts and it seems like I get more vapor than with higher ohm coils.

Well if you are only at 3.7 should be ok, but I wouldn't go any higher with voltage unless you up your ohms.

 

[Benzin]

I assume that by "batteries" you mean the whole device in wich you put your clearo (as opposed to just the battery itself) right?

Let me put it this way, i recently had another chance to try my kayfun on a very expensive mod/battery (whos name i wont say as to not offend any "sensitivities"). I unscrewed it from my device, gave it to the owner of the other device so he could screw it in place wich he did, and gave it to me.

So how did it compare to the mod i use wich costs about 20% of what that expensive mod costs? did it taste better? did it produce more vapor?
Nope, It was exactly the same.

On the other hand, back when i switched from clearos to RDAs & RTAs, i did notice a -WORLD- of diference. It was like moving from vaping to VAPING

But what about longevity of the device, looks, features, quality, cool factor???
Thats another story. Im talking strictly vapor quality here.

just my