"Clones" are actually the REAL THING

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WattWick

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Wow needed to make some more :pop:
This thread is like the energizer bunny, it just keeps going and going and going and going and going.

Did Energizer clone the Duracell bunnies?


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There is some truth to this. I'm a computer nerd and for example, when I built mine, I wanted a certain PC case. I couldn't afford it, it was $300. But, knowing that many of the case makers sub out their models under different names to make an extra buck, I looked to see if the model I wanted was on the list. It was. I got a $300 Lian-Li brand case for $80, re-branded under the name "Rockfish". Its even got the Lian Li logo stamped under one of the feet, just like all the rest. Its the EXACT same case. No differences at all. In fact the only difference that I could find, was that the embedded rubber logo on the top said "Rockfish" instead of "Lian Li" You know the vape stick companies are doing it too. The OP is right.
 
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It's come down to insults so yeah, it needs to be closed. I don't need to hear some stuck up jerk insulting me because I choose to pay $30 for my mod instead of $200.
And that's because neither side can argue in a respectful manner. Of course you'll get people that just blow the argument out of the park and rely on insults. I got both clones and originals, so I don't need neither someone insulting me for getting cheap clones nor someone insulting me for being able to afford quality gear.

There are some good points made in this thread but it's a shame that it becomes a playing ground for both sides to start throwing rocks at each other.
 

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And that's because neither side can argue in a respectful manner. Of course you'll get people that just blow the argument out of the park and rely on insults. I got both clones and originals, so I don't need neither someone insulting me for getting cheap clones nor someone insulting me for being able to afford quality gear.

There are some good points made in this thread but it's a shame that it becomes a playing ground for both sides to start throwing rocks at each other.

Agreed. Whenever something has a rabid following, like some of these expensive mods, you're going to have people that get all emotional about it and can't help but start flinging poo. On the other side, those that can't afford these expensive things will tend to react violently to insinuations that they're somehow unworthy because they didn't pay the entrance fee... I walk a very fine line between those two, leaning more towards the latter. I do have a $140 ePipe, but all my other stuff is China.
 

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It's come down to insults so yeah, it needs to be closed. I don't need to hear some stuck up jerk insulting me because I choose to pay $30 for my mod instead of $200.

Wait what? If I insulted you or anyone I'm very sorry, I looked back but didn't see anything directed at any individual, But once again if I did, I'm truly sorry.

As for others being mean, I'm sure it's just an emotional response or maybe a character flaw, Could also be deep rooted psychological issues that manifest themselves through fits of rage, financial mutilation, and lashing out in the form of insults, But I'm sure they didn't mean it.

I love you all.. (((Group Hug)))
 

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Wait what? If I insulted you or anyone I'm very sorry, I looked back but didn't see anything directed at any individual, But once again if I did, I'm truly sorry.

As for others being mean, I'm sure it's just an emotional response or maybe a character flaw, Could also be deep rooted psychological issues that manifest themselves through fits of rage, financial mutilation, and lashing out in the form of insults, But I'm sure they didn't mean it.

I love you all.. (((Group Hug)))

LoL. My comment came after yours, but wasn't directed at you, or any one person. There's been several posts in this thread basically calling those who buy clones thieves, and that was what I was commenting on.

You give awesome cyberhugs, btw. :toast:
 

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Yeah it looks like some people in this thread got butthurt because the possibility exists that they paid way too much for their mod. I'm not against it, I'd pay high dollar for the right mod. But I'd also be upset to find that they're selling the exact same thing for 1/3-1/4 of the price. Especially when its not even a clone or knockoff, the OEM just didn't etch on the logo or something. I wouldn't be too happy to find that out. That's probably why the high payers are getting bent out of shape and slinging insults. That and immaturity.
 

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Actually, the legitimate point of the OP was lost by page 2. The point of clones being the real thing.

In many industries (electronics its huge) a major branded manufacturer will debut a TV, at premium price, premium components, etc. At that time they are also working with 2nd and 3rd tier manufacturers to license their design, albeit with lesser quality parts, for much lower price, with their "budget" brand name on it. Because in some part, they know that if they aren't getting a piece of the trickle-down-pie, they will get nothing at all.

E-cigarettes ARE big business now. Users are in the 10s of millions. It would neither shock me nor offend me if someone contracted out the design of their mod to a Chinese factory to at least make sure the knock-off doesn't give their original competition, yet still getting something for their efforts. these small boutique makers cannot do production runs of 100,000 to satisfy world demand.
 

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Actually, the legitimate point of the OP was lost by page 2. The point of clones being the real thing.

In many industries (electronics its huge) a major branded manufacturer will debut a TV, at premium price, premium components, etc. At that time they are also working with 2nd and 3rd tier manufacturers to license their design, albeit with lesser quality parts, for much lower price, with their "budget" brand name on it. Because in some part, they know that if they aren't getting a piece of the trickle-down-pie, they will get nothing at all.

E-cigarettes ARE big business now. Users are in the 10s of millions. It would neither shock me nor offend me if someone contracted out the design of their mod to a Chinese factory to at least make sure the knock-off doesn't give their original competition, yet still getting something for their efforts. these small boutique makers cannot do production runs of 100,000 to satisfy world demand.

There is also a STRATEGIC incentive to get the market flooded with your STANDARD.

In the ecig market, the 510 interface seems to be becoming the de-facto standard.
 
I think mechanicals are rather bizarre

ALL mechanicals are clones and knock offs of flashlights. A metal tube that holds a battery, switch and a connection that takes power. Heck, even the coil is a knock off of a light bulb! I have a flashlight from 10 years ago with interchangable "lightomizers", different battery tubes so I can use 1AA/2AA/3AA or 18650 cells. The body is vented but the hole is filled in with rubber which blows out if the battery off-gasses. Maybe next year mechanicals will fill in the vent holes, offer waterproof switches and throw a gasket on the 510/Ego connection for vaping while river rafting.

I've been using LED flashlights since 2002 that have current regulators (no PWM) My 2008 EDC light has variable current regulation pushing a LED with a momentary switch, waterproof, kick it down the street and it just works--every time. HA-III aluminum, stainless steel clip/stainless switching and knurled for grip. The reason there are variable voltage/wattage mods is thanks to the LED flashlight industry figuring it out, improving the breed and producing millions of them.

I'm happy that a standard exists for the connection--the 510/Ego connection used on most mechanicals/mods etc. I don't consider the telescope function, switches or interchangable body pieces for different batteries "vape tech" It's flashlight tech! My EHPro started off as a GG, then Electric Angel knocked that one off but added telescoping for different batteries. EH then knocked off EA but improved the shape and feel of the switch.

The actual tube and telescoping feature of the thing was taken from flashlights. The 510/Ego connection was taken also...the only original idea was the switch hitting a negative post without using wires. This stuff is very, very basic stuff as far as mechanicals go... it's a tube/switch/connection so almost all of it is the same.

What about the "kick"? It is a blatent copy, a knock off, clone or theft from the flashlight folks. In 2002 I bought a 500mA current regulator that drove a LuxeonI LED (around 1.9 watts) A curcuit sandwich with an LED on the top board that fit inside mini mag lights, ran be around $45 at the time They also had version where you could adjust the output with a pot. The kick is the same thing but with more power and designed around 3.6V li-ion, not 2.4V to 3.0V AA cells.

Would I spend $200 on an Electric Angel? NO! Talk about a generic pipe looking thing, no style at all but it does do the basics well and is very durable. The generic tail switch mod...it ain't pretty but it works. I can drop it on the end, it won't break and it stands on end very well.

Figure the real action is in the vaporizer portion--were this game needs work. A coil of wire, wick and juice...very simple in theory but almost there. Figure in 5 years variable temperature LiFePO4 18500 powered devices with wicks that can be swapped in seconds will be the standard. Bank on a "tactical version" that is waterproof, drop proof and idiot proof... then I'll be called old school for swapping cotton wicks in a retro-grouch Kayfun.

Will I ever buy a $150 to $250 mechanical? Maybe, but not a tube--it has to have the atomizer which better rock. Just throwing that out there... now back to my flashlight---err, mechanical pipe with switch.
 

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All the morality BS and theft arguments aside. I like supporting the few modders who actually do make their own stuff, couldnt care less how many people buy a copy after the fact. (still cant get me to buy a Pacific rim modders product though, it was clear long long ago they arent making their own products but still charge a fortune)
 
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To me "Bottom Line", I could care less, it IS NOT A HOBBY, IT IS TO QUIT KILLING MYSELF WITH STINKIES....
Is it a Copy, Clone, Counterfeit, I don't care, I'm NOT SMOKING and I am Happy and not coughing up a lung every morning.
Am I going to spend $200+ on a battery holder, $100+ on a topper? I think not.
I like the mods, have an authentic SVD and VV V3, but I am satisfied with an EGO and EVOD and not smoking.
Some people need to get off there high horse and think about why they vape, and NOT criticize others because they buy what they can.
Don't like the Copy, Clone, Counterfeit, then go after the people creating them, not the ones that it is all they can afford to quit smoking.
And when you say they save enough from not smoking to afford them, in time you are right, but some live hand to mouth, buy each day what they need and don't have the $$$ to shell out for the latest and greatest Mod and topper.

Rant Over

Vape On
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Well back to the :pop:
 
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