Clones, Are they Worth the Money?

[Alien Traveler]

Do I smell something?

 

[Tygerlovesdeb]

how about posting a pic of an original kayfun and explain further the glaring difference that stands out so much ... I have 3 original Kayfuns and do not believe they are as rare as you think.

Willy, the chances of your owning three authentic Kayfuns is about the same as you ever going out on date with Faith Hill. That said, clone or real?

 

[Tygerlovesdeb]

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Do I smell something?

Yeppers, the normal garbage coming out of Willy Z's mouth. He just seems to gravitate towards big daddy!

 

[Ryedan]

I have done an extensive amount of research on both authentic and clone manufacturing. In the course of my research I have discovered with my own two eyes that some authentic mods are made on the same assembly lines as their clones. In some cases they are identical in every respect, in other cases small differences that distinguish the two are purposely done to satisfy the marketing company and designer of the authentic.

Yup, that's perfectly possible and people have been tossing this idea around for a while.

Additionally, I have discovered that almost all clones are manufactured in two plants and that the only difference between an Ephro and Infinite clone are the packaging they go in to. Quality control is non-existent in these plants. In some instances, such as the Cloupor T5, mods are manufactured knowingly with faulty parts and or design, because the marketing company does not care. In the case of the T5, engineers at Greenleaf told Cloupor that the circuit board was not capable of sustaining 50w for any length of time. Cloupor, took under advisement and told them to manufacture them per Cloupor faulty specifications.

Why would Cloupor do such a thing? Why would they endanger peoples lives with a device that could possibly explode? Simple, Cloupor is two guys and a woman in a small shack in a very depressed slum area in Shenzen China. I am not speculating on this fact. I work over there 4 months out of the year. I bought a Cloupor T5 and after five uses, it freightrained on its own. If I had not been near it when it did it, I have no doubt the battery would of got hot and exploded. I was so ...... that I made it my mission to find out exactly who built the thing and raise hell with them. After threatening to make a stink with US Customs about their illegally importing electronic items in to the US as engineering samples, they refunded my money and had Greenleaf build me one per Greenleafs specs.

The point I am trying to make is that to most people when they hear the name Cloupor or Infinite, they think they are dealing with multimillion dollar companies, when in reality they are dealing with thieves who are stealing other peoples designs and profiting off them. These clowns don't care about how far they stick something up your posterior sideways, so long as they get your money.

The Aqua RBA was actually stolen from a large pharmaceutical company. Its original design was targeted for administering inhalable insulin. The US Government is well aware of the theft but because the problems we have with the North Korean government, they turn a blind eye to some of the criminal acts of the South Korean government and industry sector. These are no opinions, as I was in charge of the design team that developed that device.

Every cent you spend on a clone may actually be used to support some criminal enterprise. I think everyone should take a hard look at where there money is actually going. It is the right and responsible thing to do. For the worst offenders, their products should be revealed in these types of forums so that others will know not to buy them. I hope that this tread will encourage others to do the same.

It's the first time I hear any of this so I obviously take it all with a grain of salt. If you have proof of any of it I am however all eyes

 

[Ryedan]

@Ryedan, thank you for the insightful information. I did not buy any clones knowingly until my interest really peaked in them last month. Over the month of October, according to my PayPal bookkeeping, I spent almost $18,000 on mods. I only purchased about 10 authentic mods and the rest were a few clone mechanicals and a whole boat load of different RDA's that I have the authentics to compare to. If you read my analysis and some of my follow up comments, I personally have only found a few of RDA's and two clone mechanicals that I would recommend to anyone.

You're welcome Tyger. We obviously have a very different approach to vaping. The important thing is that it's working well for both of us

 

[Tygerlovesdeb]

You're welcome Tyger. We obviously have a very different approach to vaping. The important thing is that it's working well for both of us

I am not sure that you understand the distinction I have between vaping and collecting authentic mechanical mods. For the record Ryedon, in vaping my whole focus is to enjoy it to the fullest and to do so safely. As a collector, I try to promote the supporting of those who design and produce mechanical mods. In any trade, you have those who choose to create out of artistic desire and those who do so with the sole purpose of making a buck. I choose to support those who make limited quantities or art.

Additionally, as a collector I choose to support those who promote safe vaping and fight against unnecessary (with emphasis) government regulations. All that said, how do we differ in our approach to vaping?

 

[WillyZee]

Willy, the chances of your owning three authentic Kayfuns is about the same as you ever going out on date with Faith Hill. That said, clone or real?


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So what's the glaring difference?
Just answer the original question ... save the insults ... they're not worth the time it takes to type them.


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[Ryedan]

I am not sure that you understand the distinction I have between vaping and collecting authentic mechanical mods. For the record Ryedon, in vaping my whole focus is to enjoy it to the fullest and to do so safely. As a collector, I try to promote the supporting of those who design and produce mechanical mods. In any trade, you have those who choose to create out of artistic desire and those who do so with the sole purpose of making a buck. I choose to support those who make limited quantities or art.

Additionally, as a collector I choose to support those who promote safe vaping and fight against unnecessary (with emphasis) government regulations. All that said, how do we differ in our approach to vaping?

In that case we have the same approach to vaping.

I'm not a collector, but there are some people who are also not but still take sides on the clone vs authentic topic. There are (*I hope*) very few people who support unsafe activities of any kind, no matter what their involvement is with them.

 

[Lessifer]

It's been less than two years since the kayfun was first released hasn't it?

I have a KTS+ which is a clone of something, kamry has a habit of renaming the clones. I'm not a big fan of it, I don't like the side pinkie switch, but it works fine. I also have a pisces clone, the only issues I had with that were that the floating center pin was sticky at first, and the button spring is on the weak side. My stingray clone I've had no issues with, at all.

As for rda's I have an igo-w clone, that only has one air hole and no post holes, an igo-l, and a phoenix v5 clone. They all vape quite nice when built properly, and I've never had any leaking issues.

Buy what you can, make it vape the way you want it. My clones have definitely been worth it for me.

 

[danca90]

There is nothing wrong with clones. I won an authentic m16, but I sold it because my H Cigar m16 was made just as well.
My Tobh clone is top notch, no complaints.
And kayfuns are not rare at all. Just no reason to get an authentic. The EH clone is made better.

Wanting to support original designers is great, but honestly, they need to give me a reason to do so. I spent a lot on smokes, so I can justify authentics, just most companies aren't ran in a way that I respect.

 

[Tygerlovesdeb]

@Ryedon, I speak from personal experience. Maybe, I should add to the end of my posts a disclaimer that states that I am not an investigative reporter, I don't photograph the misdeads of others or covertly copy confidential documents (especially in the countries I go in and out of). That said, I do understand that some people just like to hear the sound of their own voice or in this case, read their own words. However, I speak the truth and lay it out to people to either believe it or not.

As for further info, just ask anyone who works n China if you think I am pulling your leg. What I have mentioned here in this post is common knowledge to just about everyone that goes in and out of the Shenzen plants.

 

[Woofer]

Tygerlovesdeb interesting post, never a dull moment.
Many Chinese factories manufacture cheap (junk) because many consumers wish to buy (cheap) junk. These same consumers then often demonize the Chinese for manufacturing cheap (junk). I can not afford to buy junk, I'm not wealth enough for that. For me clones are generally not worth the money, to those who disagree I say fill your boots, no hard feelings

 

[Tygerlovesdeb]

I get that you're an elitist, but there is nothing wrong with clones. I won an authentic m16, but I sold it because my H Cigar m16 was made just as well.
My Tobh clone is top notch, no complaints.
And kayfuns are not rare at all. Just no reason to get an authentic. The EH clone is made better.

Wanting to support original designers is great, but honestly, they need to give me a reason to do so. I spent a lot on smokes, so I can justify authentics, just most companies aren't ran in a way that I respect.

Hey, that is what this thread is for. I am not God. I am not all knowing. I am not even an expert. I am just running a thread to see where it goes. I am always open to hearing other peoples opinions and hopefully learning something new. That said, I disagree with you on the Kayfuns because I have sat across the table with the guy who made every last one of them. There is no doubt in my mind or his, that 99% of the Kayfuns in circulation are replicas. Believe it or not. Thanks for your valuable input.

 

[danca90]

Kayfun lite plus v2 by Svoemesto

Kayfun Lite plus

Links to 2 found fairly quickly. 101 vape is extremely reputable, and the other one comes straight from Germany.
Authentic kayfuns are easy as pie to find.

 

[lvm111]

.....authentic Tugboats, [I own over a hundred of them],..... Over the month of October, according to my PayPal bookkeeping, I spent almost $18,000 on mods.....

Some pretty bold claims. How about some pictures?

best regards, larry mac

 

[Tygerlovesdeb]

Tygerlovesdeb interesting post, never a dull moment.
Many Chinese factories manufacture cheap (junk) because many consumers wish to buy (cheap) junk. These same consumers then often demonize the Chinese for manufacturing cheap (junk). I can not afford to buy junk, I'm not wealth enough for that. For me clones are generally not worth the money, to those that disagree I say fill your boots, no hard feelings

Amen brother and thank you for the 'never a dull moment'. I try to write threads that will bring out the experts and I don't mind taking a few knocks to the head in the process. I don't feel either supportive or against Chinese workers. I personally think their plant safety standards are insane and many of them threw the quality control book out the back door, but you are absolutely right. Many Americans [their biggest customers] demand cheap junk and someone is going to give it to them.

Like you, I can't justify buying junk that ends up costing me more in the long run. I am not bull shi.ig when I say that I spent almost 18k last month to put an end to my curiosity about clones after hearing so many people praise them. My ol lady laughs at some of my impulsive behavior, but hey when you want to build a whole lot of eBay feedback, spend some of the money ithat you earn in interest everyday instead of giving it to Uncle Obama and justify the money your spending on authentic vape equipment, what better way to validate or justify spending big bucks then to go out and put the junk next to the good stuff and end all speculation

Many will hammer me here and I really don't care about that one way or the other. I did the research on my dime and if people don't appreciate that gift, then they are only passing up a free gift. We have a saying down here in Texas (Actually I am a transplant from Newport Beach, CA), you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink (You hear me Wiley Z?)

 

[WillyZee]

I have sat across the table with the guy who made every last one of them. There is no doubt in my mind or his, that 99% of the Kayfuns in circulation are replicas. Believe it or not. Thanks for your valuable input.

seriously dude ... the amount of times you've posted about your 200+ authentic mods and drippers ... the Ferraris ... the Chinese factories ... and now hanging with the guy who made all the KFLs?

You do lead an interesting life ... reminds me of a guy named Forrest

 

[Tygerlovesdeb]

.....authentic Tugboats, [I own over a hundred of them],..... Over the month of October, according to my PayPal bookkeeping, I spent almost $18,000 on mods.....

Some pretty bold claims. How about some pictures?

best regards, larry mac

Not a problem Larry and I am not offended by your saying put up or shut up. Please go to my profile page and direct yourself to the mods album. Start counting. (if I am correct, you should find about forty of them posed there amongst different mods of mine) You can also go back to the second page of this thread and do some counting. Now of course, anyone can post pictures right? So, if you need further proof, call Dave Broomfield of Vaporex in College Station, and simply ask him how many I have bought from his store personally. If that don't do it for you, have a coke and a smile sand shut the ....up!

 

[danca90]

seriously dude ... the amount of times you've posted about your 200+ authentic mods and drippers ... the Ferraris ... the Chinese factories ... and now hanging with the guy who made all the KFLs?

You do lead an interesting life ... reminds me of a guy named Forrest

I just wonder how good the kayfun's guy english is. Was a translator needed? A good sum of Germans can speak english, but it's not always that great.

 

[Tygerlovesdeb]

seriously dude ... the amount of times you've posted about your 200+ authentic mods and drippers ... the Ferraris ... the Chinese factories ... and now hanging with the guy who made all the KFLs?

You do lead an interesting life ... reminds me of a guy named Forrest

WillyZee, have I somehow mislead you into believing that I like you? Did I somehow lead you to believe that your opinion means anything to me? Why are you so jealous? If you have a single friend in the vape business that is a serious player, simply call them and ask them who I am. This is not a bragging contest. This is not who has the most or how much I have. I am sorry if it pisses you off that I could buy everything you have or ever will have out of household mad money account, but what does that matter?

Understand that I am a well respected collector of authentic vapes. If I don't know you and or you don't know me or someone who does, than you are of no significance to me or anyone else that spends serious money on mods. Grow up and stop trying to insult me. Now go snitch to the mods on me....lmao! I just love cowards that insult people from behind their keyboards.