Hey guys, sorry I haven't been around for a while. I don't have much to offer either. I can say with almost 100% certainty that FA Marshmallow is not in M&H (unless it is a crazy low percentage, like 0.25% or something). It is just too thick and almost has a TFA toasted marshmallow taste to it imo. I skimmed the other posts and saw that you are trying some flavor west stuff. That is interesting; I'll be watching for sure. I'll be trying something dramatically different next time I get a chance.
Cloning Milk and Honey
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I've just finished my order, picking up all the FW variants needed.
I also ordered FW Toffee Dream Cream, Buttered Popcorn (AP? maybe?), Tres Leche and Cotton Candy.
They were out of FW Banana Nut Bread unfortunately. I would have guessed that to be closer than Banana Split, but I got the BSplit to try anyway.
I also ordered FW Toffee Dream Cream, Buttered Popcorn (AP? maybe?), Tres Leche and Cotton Candy.
They were out of FW Banana Nut Bread unfortunately. I would have guessed that to be closer than Banana Split, but I got the BSplit to try anyway.
Dr, honestly mine have all been pretty far off. I was going through my notes, and I don't have anything that stands out as being close at all. The last thing I mixed up was:
Milk and Honey V?
Vienna Cream (FA) 0.50%
Bavarian Cream (TFA) 3.00%
Banana Cream (TFA) 2.00%
Cheesecake Graham Crust (TFA) 1.00%
Vanilla Swirl (TFA) 2.00%
Peanut Butter (TFA) 1.50%
Marshmallow (TFA) 1.00%
Less thick, which is good, but I think the banana is wrong. The cheesecake graham crust is pretty good (not really cheesecake, more graham crust taste). It is missing the slight honey flavor and some sweetness (M&H probably has sucralose in it). This version is pretty good, but I wouldn't call it close. I don't have any flavorwest except for cinnamon roll, hazelnut, and yellow cake, but I'll be watching how you guys experiment with it. It makes sense that Cosmic Fog would use FW, because FW is cheap and easy to get in bulk.
Milk and Honey V?
Vienna Cream (FA) 0.50%
Bavarian Cream (TFA) 3.00%
Banana Cream (TFA) 2.00%
Cheesecake Graham Crust (TFA) 1.00%
Vanilla Swirl (TFA) 2.00%
Peanut Butter (TFA) 1.50%
Marshmallow (TFA) 1.00%
Less thick, which is good, but I think the banana is wrong. The cheesecake graham crust is pretty good (not really cheesecake, more graham crust taste). It is missing the slight honey flavor and some sweetness (M&H probably has sucralose in it). This version is pretty good, but I wouldn't call it close. I don't have any flavorwest except for cinnamon roll, hazelnut, and yellow cake, but I'll be watching how you guys experiment with it. It makes sense that Cosmic Fog would use FW, because FW is cheap and easy to get in bulk.
LMAO @ "it melts things" 
I've personally never heard of or tried Pluid. I did Google it after you mentioned it the first time and read it had a strong Black Liquorice flavor to it. I've never been a fan of that flavor myself but I would certainly like to try it sometime before I completely write it off, lol.
In my search for an already discovered M&H recipe, I stumbled into the reddit DIY_eJuice section and came across a post by someone who goes by DallasTxEnt (who claims to work for an e-cigarette shop as a mixer). This person also claims that the Five Pawns - Grandmaster and the Cuttwood - BOSS Reserve E-Liquids are identical to each other and are also incredibly similar to M&H, with the exception of a one ingredient difference. M&H calls for 3.4% of Flavor West Honey, whereas Grandmaster and BOSS Reserve would replace that with 3.4% of TFA Caramel instead. (Which is something I am also definitely going to try as well)
Here is DallasTxEnt's M&H clone recipe: w/ a quote of "steep for a month and its (explicit word) Magic".
Graham Cracker Clear TFA 3.4%
Honey FW 3.4% (Replace w/ Caramel TFA 3.4% to make Grandmaster and BOSS Reserve clones)
Captain Crunch FW 3%
Peanut Butter TFA 3.4%
Vanilla Swirl TFA 2%
Vanilla Custard TFA 4%
Banana Cream TFA 10%
Cotton Candy TFA 1%
I also couldn't help but notice that nicobeak (hello btw) has posts all over the reddit DIY_eJuice section in reference to M&H and I was wondering if you have personally tried this recipe?
It totals out 30.2% which may be somewhat mind blowing all on its own but I personally have already concluded that this liquid gold must have a high %'age of flavor to it as it is incredibly strong, smooth but strong, which is why I have been making all my mixes at 20% already. My conclusions have also confirmed that some type of Banana flavoring and Cotton Candy must be in this mix. So this recipe is sounding incredibly appealing to me as it's already using many of the flavors I have tried or have thought of trying. I'm short three flavors to mix this up, Honey FW, Captain Crunch FW and Cotton Candy TFA, all of which I will be ordering today.
Just out of curiosity, I did mix this up today with what I did have:
Replacing Honey FW w/ Honey TFA (TFA Honey is too strong though, which is good news because I have read FW Honey is mild/weak, which would complement this smooth recipe much better imo)
Replacing Captain Crunch FW w/ Sugar Cookie FW (the closest thing I had to what I think Captain Crunch might be)
and
Replacing Cotton Candy TFA w/ Ethyl Maltol (with my freshly made batch of 1/4Tsp EM Crystals in 10ml PG, Thank You ckquatt)
Smelling this test batch I made next to a true bottle of M&H I have, it was incredibly close. I can definitely tell the TFA Honey is too strong though at 3.4%. But overall I was really impressed with how close they smelled side by side. I honestly feel that replacing the EM with TFA Cotton Candy and replacing FW Sugar Cookie with FW Captain Crunch would definitely correct the subtle differences I noticed.
The only thing I might possibly change after trying this is replacing Banana Cream TFA w/ Banana Split FW. I find Banana Split FW to be a much smoother flavor; Banana Cream TFA smells more like a green banana to me. Just as a personal test for myself to maybe make M&H personally better for me (Not that it really needs to be improved upon, lol).
I apologize for long post but I am incredibly excited to try this particular recipe. Especially excited over the Captain Crunch FW addition into the mix as all other flavors have been used or suggested at one time or another except for that one!
I've personally never heard of or tried Pluid. I did Google it after you mentioned it the first time and read it had a strong Black Liquorice flavor to it. I've never been a fan of that flavor myself but I would certainly like to try it sometime before I completely write it off, lol.In my search for an already discovered M&H recipe, I stumbled into the reddit DIY_eJuice section and came across a post by someone who goes by DallasTxEnt (who claims to work for an e-cigarette shop as a mixer). This person also claims that the Five Pawns - Grandmaster and the Cuttwood - BOSS Reserve E-Liquids are identical to each other and are also incredibly similar to M&H, with the exception of a one ingredient difference. M&H calls for 3.4% of Flavor West Honey, whereas Grandmaster and BOSS Reserve would replace that with 3.4% of TFA Caramel instead. (Which is something I am also definitely going to try as well)
Here is DallasTxEnt's M&H clone recipe: w/ a quote of "steep for a month and its (explicit word) Magic".
Graham Cracker Clear TFA 3.4%
Honey FW 3.4% (Replace w/ Caramel TFA 3.4% to make Grandmaster and BOSS Reserve clones)
Captain Crunch FW 3%
Peanut Butter TFA 3.4%
Vanilla Swirl TFA 2%
Vanilla Custard TFA 4%
Banana Cream TFA 10%
Cotton Candy TFA 1%
I also couldn't help but notice that nicobeak (hello btw) has posts all over the reddit DIY_eJuice section in reference to M&H and I was wondering if you have personally tried this recipe?
It totals out 30.2% which may be somewhat mind blowing all on its own but I personally have already concluded that this liquid gold must have a high %'age of flavor to it as it is incredibly strong, smooth but strong, which is why I have been making all my mixes at 20% already. My conclusions have also confirmed that some type of Banana flavoring and Cotton Candy must be in this mix. So this recipe is sounding incredibly appealing to me as it's already using many of the flavors I have tried or have thought of trying. I'm short three flavors to mix this up, Honey FW, Captain Crunch FW and Cotton Candy TFA, all of which I will be ordering today.
Just out of curiosity, I did mix this up today with what I did have:
Replacing Honey FW w/ Honey TFA (TFA Honey is too strong though, which is good news because I have read FW Honey is mild/weak, which would complement this smooth recipe much better imo)
Replacing Captain Crunch FW w/ Sugar Cookie FW (the closest thing I had to what I think Captain Crunch might be)
and
Replacing Cotton Candy TFA w/ Ethyl Maltol (with my freshly made batch of 1/4Tsp EM Crystals in 10ml PG, Thank You ckquatt)
Smelling this test batch I made next to a true bottle of M&H I have, it was incredibly close. I can definitely tell the TFA Honey is too strong though at 3.4%. But overall I was really impressed with how close they smelled side by side. I honestly feel that replacing the EM with TFA Cotton Candy and replacing FW Sugar Cookie with FW Captain Crunch would definitely correct the subtle differences I noticed.
The only thing I might possibly change after trying this is replacing Banana Cream TFA w/ Banana Split FW. I find Banana Split FW to be a much smoother flavor; Banana Cream TFA smells more like a green banana to me. Just as a personal test for myself to maybe make M&H personally better for me (Not that it really needs to be improved upon, lol).
I apologize for long post but I am incredibly excited to try this particular recipe. Especially excited over the Captain Crunch FW addition into the mix as all other flavors have been used or suggested at one time or another except for that one!
C4M3120N,
I found the posts on reddit and started to read up a bit. It's very interesting and I also ordered some missing ingredients from TFA since I had to order other stuff as well. Also against all odds with usps my FW order shipped Friday and it's actually going to be delivered today. This order has the banana split and some other flavors I'm using to make other juices.
Can't wait to try the exact recipe above. If my TFA order ships today I'll have the missing flavors by Thursday or Friday.
Update:
Just got my FW order. Sooo, I did get the Banana but not with the split...
Checked my order list again and it looks like they gave me just plain Banana, bottle just says Banana. Oh well, That's 2 messed up orders from different companies in one day. Ordered Atlantis coils from a shop and got Nautilus coils, on my last coil too. Not going to ask what else can go wrong today.
Maybe I can make a Banana cream with it to use in the M&H recipe...Might not be so bad afterall, I'll work with it.
I found the posts on reddit and started to read up a bit. It's very interesting and I also ordered some missing ingredients from TFA since I had to order other stuff as well. Also against all odds with usps my FW order shipped Friday and it's actually going to be delivered today. This order has the banana split and some other flavors I'm using to make other juices.
Can't wait to try the exact recipe above. If my TFA order ships today I'll have the missing flavors by Thursday or Friday.
Update:
Just got my FW order. Sooo, I did get the Banana but not with the split...
Checked my order list again and it looks like they gave me just plain Banana, bottle just says Banana. Oh well, That's 2 messed up orders from different companies in one day. Ordered Atlantis coils from a shop and got Nautilus coils, on my last coil too. Not going to ask what else can go wrong today. Maybe I can make a Banana cream with it to use in the M&H recipe...Might not be so bad afterall, I'll work with it.
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WOW 
I'm not sure who your shopping from but maybe it's time to change vendors?
Hopefully, they will correct their mistakes at least? I don't think I've ever had any problems with anyone I have shopped from before, except for one instance where I ordered some battery cells from MyFreedomSmokes and their website didn't reflect they were out of stock of one of them, though they credited my account and notified me the same day.
My three favorite places to shop for hardware are:
Sweet-Vapes (excellent prices on everything and the cheapest stateside authentic coils I have found so far)
EVCigarettes (huge selection and where I buy my CF M&H from)
and
MyFreedomSmokes (huge selection and you earn reward points)
My two goto places for flavorings are:
ecigexpress (huge selection of everything except TFA, I also prefer the bottles they use)
onestopdiyshop (where i get all my TFA flavors or items ecigexpress was out of)
I've never had one serious issue with any of these places and I've certainly never received the wrong product. Hopefully your vendors will correct their mistakes.
I don't have just regular FW Banana, so I can't really compare it to the other banana flavors I do have for you. TFA Banana smells like a very potent green banana to me while FW Banana Split has a much sweeter and milder smell to it. And who is to say that FW Banana won't produce a more desirable result for you/us!
I am sincerely excited that you are going to be trying this recipe along with me. The rest of the flavors I need to complete this exact recipe should be here within the next couple of days. I'm probably going to make a couple batches of it, one to set aside and steep for a month and a few more to try various speed steeping techniques with. I'm also going to try making the Grandmaster/BOSS Reserve recipe as well. In a somewhat humorous turn of events, my month steeped test attempt will be ready to try on April Fool's Day, lmao
I've been doing quite a bit of research into recipe's lately and most people seem to give the same advice, that it generally takes two-four weeks for custard/creamy flavors to fully develop, stating the longer the better and I can't see why CF M&H would be an exception to this advised rule of thumb seeing as how Cosmic Fog are master mixers and would probably follow this rule as well. Also the test batch I made the other day, still has a very dominant banana smell to it, more so than my true bottle of M&H. So I would also have to imagine that a month of steeping would also correct that issue as well.
I also just got a message from Anyvape in china today, wanting to take orders for the new Atlantis 2 and new Atlantis Mega today! I personally don't use the Altlantis but I have heard great things about it. I personally use the Kanger Subtank Mini and I absolutely love love love it! But I thought you might be excited over the new Atlantis's coming out, being a user of them yourself.
I'm not sure who your shopping from but maybe it's time to change vendors? Hopefully, they will correct their mistakes at least? I don't think I've ever had any problems with anyone I have shopped from before, except for one instance where I ordered some battery cells from MyFreedomSmokes and their website didn't reflect they were out of stock of one of them, though they credited my account and notified me the same day.
My three favorite places to shop for hardware are:
Sweet-Vapes (excellent prices on everything and the cheapest stateside authentic coils I have found so far)
EVCigarettes (huge selection and where I buy my CF M&H from)
and
MyFreedomSmokes (huge selection and you earn reward points)
My two goto places for flavorings are:
ecigexpress (huge selection of everything except TFA, I also prefer the bottles they use)
onestopdiyshop (where i get all my TFA flavors or items ecigexpress was out of)
I've never had one serious issue with any of these places and I've certainly never received the wrong product. Hopefully your vendors will correct their mistakes.
I don't have just regular FW Banana, so I can't really compare it to the other banana flavors I do have for you. TFA Banana smells like a very potent green banana to me while FW Banana Split has a much sweeter and milder smell to it. And who is to say that FW Banana won't produce a more desirable result for you/us!
I am sincerely excited that you are going to be trying this recipe along with me. The rest of the flavors I need to complete this exact recipe should be here within the next couple of days. I'm probably going to make a couple batches of it, one to set aside and steep for a month and a few more to try various speed steeping techniques with. I'm also going to try making the Grandmaster/BOSS Reserve recipe as well. In a somewhat humorous turn of events, my month steeped test attempt will be ready to try on April Fool's Day, lmao
I've been doing quite a bit of research into recipe's lately and most people seem to give the same advice, that it generally takes two-four weeks for custard/creamy flavors to fully develop, stating the longer the better and I can't see why CF M&H would be an exception to this advised rule of thumb seeing as how Cosmic Fog are master mixers and would probably follow this rule as well. Also the test batch I made the other day, still has a very dominant banana smell to it, more so than my true bottle of M&H. So I would also have to imagine that a month of steeping would also correct that issue as well.
I also just got a message from Anyvape in china today, wanting to take orders for the new Atlantis 2 and new Atlantis Mega today!
I personally don't use the Altlantis but I have heard great things about it. I personally use the Kanger Subtank Mini and I absolutely love love love it! But I thought you might be excited over the new Atlantis's coming out, being a user of them yourself.Yep the vendor i use already sent out the correct coils. They also included a prepaid label to send the wrong ones back. Im ok as long as a vendor corrects the mistake with no hassle so im happy now. Also im assuming your bottle of banana split actually says "banana split" correct? I guess i was thinking maybe it was just labeled wrong but fat chance i guess. The smell is a light candy like banana. Like those banana candies you get out of the 25 cent machines (banana heads). Doesnt smell bad in my opinion, not overpowering at all.
Yes, mine is actually labeled Flavor West Banana Split. But according to recipe we are trying to follow, w/ TFA Banana Cream, I can tell you without a doubt (after smelling my seven different banana’s) that regular banana smells a lot more closer to TFA Banana Cream than FW Banana Split does. As a matter of fact, regular banana and banana cream smell really close, though the banana cream does have a little sweeter/smoother smell to it, regular banana also smells a little more potent. So perhaps try dropping it down to 8% or 9% and replacing that 1% or 2% with sweet cream if you have it.
I would also like to point out that OneStopDIYShop has a 14% off coupon (ECF) going on through this Sunday (4/5/2015).
I would also like to point out that OneStopDIYShop has a 14% off coupon (ECF) going on through this Sunday (4/5/2015).
I certainly don't want to stifle anyone's recipe attempts, so definitely give it a shot, but several very similar recipes have been attempted already.
We've made many batches with TFA Graham Cracker Clear, TFA Peanut Butter, TFA Vanilla Swirl, TFA Vanilla Custard, and TFA Banana Cream. I've also used EM (similar to TFA Cotton Candy) and Acetyl Pyrazine (I would guess is a key piece to FW Captain Crunch, but haven't tried it).
The mix is in the right family of flavors, but probably not the magical ingredients of M&H. However, the take away from that recipe is the FW Honey. That's one I'll definitely try.
I'm leaning towards the all FW theory right now. Can't wait for my order to arrive!
We've made many batches with TFA Graham Cracker Clear, TFA Peanut Butter, TFA Vanilla Swirl, TFA Vanilla Custard, and TFA Banana Cream. I've also used EM (similar to TFA Cotton Candy) and Acetyl Pyrazine (I would guess is a key piece to FW Captain Crunch, but haven't tried it).
The mix is in the right family of flavors, but probably not the magical ingredients of M&H. However, the take away from that recipe is the FW Honey. That's one I'll definitely try.
I'm leaning towards the all FW theory right now. Can't wait for my order to arrive!
It will be interesting to try this with the FW honey and cpt crunch. I just ordered those 2 today so hopefully I will have them by the end of the week. My TFA order for the missing peanut butter, banana cream, & cotton candy should arrive Thursday. With all these flavors I need to start thinking about where to store them all LOL.
I was testing the FW butternut I got and it definitely has a light nutty note that I smell in M&H but that could be peanut butter as well. I can't wait to get peanut butter in my TFA order so I can compare. The butternut also has a light creaminess to it. Also unlike the LorAnn version the FW butternut is clear.
I also tried to mix some FW banana with FW sweet cream and it does smell nice. I'm wondering how this will match up to the actual TFA banana cream. Lots of work ahead.
Hey matrix961 and DrLucky, it’s good to hear your flavor orders are coming in! And it’s definitely great news to hear that you both are still proactive in this quest!
I’m expecting my final ingredients to show up tomorrow, according to the tracking estimation. I’ve got Flavor West Honey, Flavor West Cotton Candy, Flavor West Captain Crunch, TFA Cotton Candy, and TFA Cotton Candy Circus showing up tomorrow along with a few other flavors I needed to restock up on. I already currently have every other ingredient thought to be in or even suggested to be in M&H.
I’m certainly not putting all my eggs in to one basket in hopes that DallasTxEnt’s recipe is the final solution but he/she definitely put a good effort into it and I was encouraged by his/hers confidence as an established cloner and employee who seems to be in charge of mixing at his/hers B&M. It would be embarrassing for him/her if he/she was/is way off. To the best of my knowledge, most ingredients aside from FW Honey and FW Captain Crunch have been tried. Perhaps those are the secret missing ingredients that have been eluding us from making a successful clone. If it is indeed not an accurate M&H clone, I’m certainly positive it is going to be pretty close, concluded by the test batch I made the other day where I had to replace three missing ingredients with the closest interpretation of what I had. TFA Honey was definitely not the right honey to use and is far to overpowering in the mix even at 3.4%, perhaps it would have settled down after a month of steeping but even now I’m sure it’s the wrong honey. One thing I can tell you is that side by side, they still smell incredibly close and the color match is almost perfect.
And if this recipe is indeed no good, I will certainly also revert back to trying to use only trying Flavor West flavors in trying to clone it. I would like to point out a couple more things in reference to that though, Cosmic Fog, are master juice crafters and spend months testing and developing their E-Liquids. So part of me thinks that they wouldn’t just settle on just one flavoring company to use. However, it should also be noted that the Cosmic Fog headquarters and the Flavor West headquarters are only a one hour drive away from one another. So it would be impossible to convince me that they don’t use Flavor West flavors at all or have a very good business relationship with the FW flavor artisan team. And most juice crafters use TFA to some extent so I also wouldn’t be surprised to see a mix of both TFA and FW or even other’s in the final recipe. Almost all of the best custard/cream/dessert recipes call for TFA Vanilla Swirl too.
But the most important thing is that we don’t give up trying and maybe even if by mistake we might actually come up with something we prefer more! Whatever the final recipe is though, I am almost 100% certain that some brand of Graham Cracker, some brand of Peanut Butter and some brand of Banana and a natural one month steep time are definitely already determined secrets to this recipe.
I’m expecting my final ingredients to show up tomorrow, according to the tracking estimation. I’ve got Flavor West Honey, Flavor West Cotton Candy, Flavor West Captain Crunch, TFA Cotton Candy, and TFA Cotton Candy Circus showing up tomorrow along with a few other flavors I needed to restock up on. I already currently have every other ingredient thought to be in or even suggested to be in M&H.
I’m certainly not putting all my eggs in to one basket in hopes that DallasTxEnt’s recipe is the final solution but he/she definitely put a good effort into it and I was encouraged by his/hers confidence as an established cloner and employee who seems to be in charge of mixing at his/hers B&M. It would be embarrassing for him/her if he/she was/is way off. To the best of my knowledge, most ingredients aside from FW Honey and FW Captain Crunch have been tried. Perhaps those are the secret missing ingredients that have been eluding us from making a successful clone. If it is indeed not an accurate M&H clone, I’m certainly positive it is going to be pretty close, concluded by the test batch I made the other day where I had to replace three missing ingredients with the closest interpretation of what I had. TFA Honey was definitely not the right honey to use and is far to overpowering in the mix even at 3.4%, perhaps it would have settled down after a month of steeping but even now I’m sure it’s the wrong honey. One thing I can tell you is that side by side, they still smell incredibly close and the color match is almost perfect.
And if this recipe is indeed no good, I will certainly also revert back to trying to use only trying Flavor West flavors in trying to clone it. I would like to point out a couple more things in reference to that though, Cosmic Fog, are master juice crafters and spend months testing and developing their E-Liquids. So part of me thinks that they wouldn’t just settle on just one flavoring company to use. However, it should also be noted that the Cosmic Fog headquarters and the Flavor West headquarters are only a one hour drive away from one another. So it would be impossible to convince me that they don’t use Flavor West flavors at all or have a very good business relationship with the FW flavor artisan team. And most juice crafters use TFA to some extent so I also wouldn’t be surprised to see a mix of both TFA and FW or even other’s in the final recipe. Almost all of the best custard/cream/dessert recipes call for TFA Vanilla Swirl too.
But the most important thing is that we don’t give up trying and maybe even if by mistake we might actually come up with something we prefer more!
Whatever the final recipe is though, I am almost 100% certain that some brand of Graham Cracker, some brand of Peanut Butter and some brand of Banana and a natural one month steep time are definitely already determined secrets to this recipe.
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Ok so about the honey. The TFA honey is very strong and is a clear dark brown color. I looked up the specs for the FW honey and it is also listed as clear dark brown. Given the fact that we know 0mg M&H is visibly clear there is no way either honey is at any level higher than 1%. As a matter of fact in testing this evening I mixed in the TFA honey at 0.65% in a 15ml batch and it not only gives a light flavor and smell but keeps the mixture pretty clear. This is some potent stuff and I smell like it now having gotten some on my cloths from wiping my hands on my pants LOL.
The FW banana is the same with potency. Even at 0.65% as well I'm getting just enough banana flavor and smell, any more and it's too much. One earlier batch with 8% just had a sickly smell LOL. I cut it down real quick.
So for now I have a mixture that has honey and banana at 0.65% each and it is so very close. For the nuttiness I am using the fw butternut because I don't have the peanut butter yet so I'm just playing with it. I honestly think to that peanut butter is the correct nutty flavor used in the original tho. Although the butternut seems like it can be used as a substitute getting it pretty close. I'm going to be testing more tonight.
The FW banana is the same with potency. Even at 0.65% as well I'm getting just enough banana flavor and smell, any more and it's too much. One earlier batch with 8% just had a sickly smell LOL. I cut it down real quick.
So for now I have a mixture that has honey and banana at 0.65% each and it is so very close. For the nuttiness I am using the fw butternut because I don't have the peanut butter yet so I'm just playing with it. I honestly think to that peanut butter is the correct nutty flavor used in the original tho. Although the butternut seems like it can be used as a substitute getting it pretty close. I'm going to be testing more tonight.
I have heard (read) people making a % mix with the TFA honey. I dont remember where I read it but they said make a 10% honey/PG mix (1ml honey 9mls PG) and use it to flavor the mix because it's so strong and overpowering.
They said they had much better results with the TFA honey using that mix instead of straight flavoring out of the bottle.
They said they had much better results with the TFA honey using that mix instead of straight flavoring out of the bottle.
Thanks for that. Definitly easier to work with now.
I also cut down the banana by making my own banana cream mixture as well.
I'm glad it worked! I haven't needed honey in any of me recipes yet so I haven't needed to make that dilution. Let me know if it makes the recipe taste better.Thanks for that. Definitly easier to work with now.
I also cut down the banana by making my own banana cream mixture as well.
ckquatt, thank you for continually dropping excellent advice on us!
I'm expecting the rest of my flavors to arrive today, so I'm pretty excited to try this latest recipe and I'm also pretty excited to sniff and try out FW Captain Crunch and FW Honey. I'm suspecting that the FW Captain Crunch will enhance and help develop the Graham Cracker taste of M&H.
Mail permitting, I will be mixing up the first test batches of the latest recipe within the next several hours and attempting to speed steep at least one of them. So hopefully by tonight I will have some good news to share with all of you. I'm going to try the warm water bath technique unless anyone else has a better method (glances over at ckquatt, lol).
I'm expecting the rest of my flavors to arrive today, so I'm pretty excited to try this latest recipe and I'm also pretty excited to sniff and try out FW Captain Crunch and FW Honey. I'm suspecting that the FW Captain Crunch will enhance and help develop the Graham Cracker taste of M&H.
Mail permitting, I will be mixing up the first test batches of the latest recipe within the next several hours and attempting to speed steep at least one of them. So hopefully by tonight I will have some good news to share with all of you. I'm going to try the warm water bath technique unless anyone else has a better method (glances over at ckquatt, lol).
I'm fairly new to DIY, I just read/research WAY TO MUCH! LOL! I hope the tid bits help! Ive recently tried my first cereal vape (The Lost Arts Beez Kneez) and it was amazing so I've been following this thread to see where it goes.ckquatt, thank you for continually dropping excellent advice on us!
I'm expecting the rest of my flavors to arrive today, so I'm pretty excited to try this latest recipe and I'm also pretty excited to sniff and try out FW Captain Crunch and FW Honey. I'm suspecting that the FW Captain Crunch will enhance and help develop the Graham Cracker taste of M&H.
Mail permitting, I will be mixing up the first test batches of the latest recipe within the next several hours and attempting to speed steep at least one of them. So hopefully by tonight I will have some good news to share with all of you. I'm going to try the warm water bath technique unless anyone else has a better method (glances over at ckquatt, lol).
If I have anything else that may help I'll be sure to throw it out here! Good luck guys!
BTW! I feel like the guy wearing a hat in a dark parking garage giving up secrets! LOL!
I use a warm water bath for mine too. If you have an insulated travel coffee mug with a lid it's great for a warm water bath. It keeps the water hot for a couple hours! I just drop the bottle right in and lid up, take it out every 20 minutes or so for a good shake then drop it back in.
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