Cloud chasing and sub ohm foolishness

[dr g]

The idea of the micro coil though is to take the same amount of wire(or less) and condense it to a smaller area but with the same or more wick/wire contact to create higher and more consistent temperature with the same voltage. I may need to do some experiments, though they will admittedly be subjective, using the same length of wire, same gauge, and build two coils one micro and one spaced like you would find in a standard clearo. Or someone else can do it.

Microcoils increase the amount of wire (or at least every one I've seen does)

 

[Glen Snyder]

/Thrasher giggles at thread.

I know right?

 

[Lessifer]

Microcoils increase the amount of wire.

No, actually, they don't. Usually you end up using less wire.

 

[Butters78]

When you wrap 10-12 coils in a microcoil it uses more wire.

 

[chadsmo]

I don't really have the time or inclination to read this whole thread, but I will offer my 2 cents. Right now the current build in my Nimbus is dual 28g micro coils coming out at .6 ohms. With my 18650 efest IMR I am well enough under the amp limit that this is not any more dangerous than vaping a 2 ohm coil, that's about as simple as it gets. My builds are done properly and with care and attention to what wires are touching and I multimeter everything before sticking it on a mod. If you play within the rules then you don't get burnt, it's when you get foolish that trouble starts.

 

[dr g]

No, actually, they don't. Usually you end up using less wire.

Less wire than what? I don't think I've ever seen a microcoil that didn't take up pretty much all available space.

 

[Lessifer]

When you wrap 10-12 coils in a microcoil it uses more wire.

Butters, more coils but smaller diameter usually ends up being about the same for me, if not less; measured by resistance not actual length because I never actually measure the length of wire I'm using.

 

[Butters78]

Butters, more coils but smaller diameter usually ends up being about the same for me, if not less; measured by resistance not actual length because I never actually measure the length of wire I'm using.

Lol I figured it would be longer because it has more wraps. To be honest I really don't care lol as long as it works good.

 

[zoiDman]

You can find one at the link provided. It's not inherently meaningful other than to explain the concept. A specific setup's values alone are of marginal value.

I feel I am talking with Someone who Doesn't Want to Tell me what They Know. Or a Person who only can Repeat what they Read and Doesn't Know that Much.

Either Way. It isn't Advancing much Knowledge.

Because for a Long Time, Many of us have Known that when there are Changes to the Physical Make up of a Coil/Wick/Air Flow/Voltage/Amperage/Resistance that there were Changes to the Taste and Volume of Vapor Produced.

This isn't any Real News. Perhaps I am just Asking the wrong person?

I thought at Least they could tell Us what They have Used that Produces This. And something Else they have used that has produce That.

Then perhaps, we could compare the This and Then and maybe make an Inference about what is Actually Happening.

 

[dr g]

I suppose you could test this by just taking an already wrapped coil and compressing the coils together.

 

[Lessifer]

Microcoils increase the amount of wire (or at least every one I've seen does)

Since you asked less than what? What exactly are you referring to when you say "increase the amount of wire"?

When I said it uses less I was trying to understand your statement and took it to mean a micro coil build uses more wire than a "traditional" coil, which you can't really compare but when I used to use T3s I'd rebuild them at 1.8 for a good vape using 30g and a roughly 2mm ID. When I build a micro coil I'm building at usually 1.5 to 1.8 using 30g and a 1/16" ID. That would be about the same amount of wire, or less.

 

[dr g]

I feel I am talking with Someone who Doesn't Want to Tell me what They Know. Or a Person who only can Repeat what they Read and Doesn't Know that Much.

Either Way. It isn't Advancing much Knowledge.

Because for a Long Time, Many of us have Known that when there are Changes to the Physical Make up of a Coil/Wick/Air Flow/Voltage/Amperage/Resistance that there were Changes to the Taste and Volume of Vapor Produced.

This isn't any Real News. Perhaps I am just Asking the wrong person?

I thought at Least they could tell Us what They have Used that Produces This. And something Else they have used that has produce That.

Then perhaps, we could compare the This and Then and maybe make an Inference about what is Actually Happening.

Single data points simply aren't that useful by themselves.

Since you asked less than what? What exactly are you referring to when you say "increase the amount of wire"?

When I said it uses less I was trying to understand your statement and took it to mean a micro coil build uses more wire than a "traditional" coil, which you can't really compare but when I used to use T3s I'd rebuild them at 1.8 for a good vape using 30g and a roughly 2mm ID. When I build a micro coil I'm building at usually 1.5 to 1.8 using 30g and a 1/16" ID. That would be about the same amount of wire, or less.

Let's do the math, how many wraps in each?

 

[zoiDman]

I don't really have the time or inclination to read this whole thread, but I will offer my 2 cents. Right now the current build in my Nimbus is dual 28g micro coils coming out at .6 ohms. With my 18650 efest IMR I am well enough under the amp limit that this is not any more dangerous than vaping a 2 ohm coil, that's about as simple as it gets. My builds are done properly and with care and attention to what wires are touching and I multimeter everything before sticking it on a mod. If you play within the rules then you don't get burnt, it's when you get foolish that trouble starts.

Cool... Someone with Numbers.

Do you mind if I ask you about the Actual Coil.

Like:

How Many Loops?
How Big do you guess the Loops are?
What do you think the Total Length is?
Resistance per Inch of the Wire?
What does your Current Set-up work better than?

Sorry to Bum Rush you with All the Question.

 

[tj99959]

single data points simply aren't that useful by themselves.

what!!!!!?


Guess all those years I spent earning a degree were wasted effort then

 

[zoiDman]

Single data points simply aren't that useful by themselves.

Than what is Useful?

 

[dr g]

what!!!!!?


Guess all those years I spent earning a degree were wasted effort then

Okay let's say I have a coil built with 5 wraps of 30gauge, 3mm silica, in a kanger head at 1.2 ohms. It vapes well up to 20w.

Now what?

 

[zoiDman]

Okay let's say I have a coil built with 5 wraps of 30gauge in a kanger head at 1.2 ohms. It vapes well up to 20w.

Now what?

See Post #354

 

[dr g]

See Post #354

I supplied you with the data point.

 

[zoiDman]

I supplied you with the data point.

You were Very Helpful and Informative at the Same Time.

 

[dr g]

You were Very Helpful and Informative at the Same Time.

EXACTLY. It's meaningless.