Cloud chasing and sub ohm foolishness
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I find it funny that OP with 26 years of electronics has never shorted anything out. Cmon man, ive been at it 20 years myself and have shorted batteries on purpose just to see the explosion. Advanced hobbyists always push the limits, welcome to vaping
What I mean is, does this actually amount to dangerous behavior? I am starting to think that if you don't know what you are doing, you actually aren't that likely to get into a truly dangerous situation because you won't get subohm clouds, and you will have to actually stop and learn something.
What about this one? In the new members forum: =>=>=> http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/408507-quad-coil.html
Do scroll down to post 22: "Every thing I "know" about vaping I read or monkey see monkey do! I am a ...... when it comes to tools n stuff. " But thass ok - says he got past the ...... thing.
Seems to be a lot of monkey do chasing monkey see just because of these
YouBoob videos.
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Only one of those fits the description, maybe, and to be honest it's pretty suspicious. The rest of those people are asking questions and informing themselves, problem?
Oh man. New week, new sub-ohm thread.
For giggles this weekend, I built a coil that metered out at .5 and I tried it out. I don't get it. My wicks couldn't keep up and it was like sucking on the business end of a steam cleaner. I guess I'm not cool enough to go that low.
For giggles this weekend, I built a coil that metered out at .5 and I tried it out. I don't get it. My wicks couldn't keep up and it was like sucking on the business end of a steam cleaner. I guess I'm not cool enough to go that low.
Yea I think allot of them after some failure or getting some crappy results start asking questions. But nothing is fool proof because fools are so ingenious. ;-)
I find most people once you point them in the right direction are very willing to learn and go about things in a sane manner nobody wants to ruin equipment or get injured they just dont know any better.
The vast majority of that thread is scary. Read post #26 by the same self-admitted "......" - a 0.2 ohm quad coil.
I keep repeating this: what bothers me is new vapers. You guys who know what you're doing, fine, go out there and have a blast! There will always be people who push the envelope until the next risky thing comes out.
But just like there are adrenaline junkies, there are people who want to jump right into things without paying attention to the details. You all know at least one person you've tried to explain something to who got a glazed look in their eyes while mumbling, "Yeah, yeah, got it." Unfortunately, new members may pay more attention to a member who might have only a week or so more experience, because they are talking about cool stuff, not boring old charts and laws.
Don't mistake me for being altruistic. I believe in nature thinning the herd. What I'm concerned about is reckless behavior being used as an excuse to limited my access to the products that keep me off of tobacco.
But just like there are adrenaline junkies, there are people who want to jump right into things without paying attention to the details. You all know at least one person you've tried to explain something to who got a glazed look in their eyes while mumbling, "Yeah, yeah, got it." Unfortunately, new members may pay more attention to a member who might have only a week or so more experience, because they are talking about cool stuff, not boring old charts and laws.
Don't mistake me for being altruistic. I believe in nature thinning the herd. What I'm concerned about is reckless behavior being used as an excuse to limited my access to the products that keep me off of tobacco.
I can agree there is a big difference in quads verses single or dual sub ohms. I enjoy playing around with sub ohm but quad coils and beyond just look like not much good IMO
What about this one? In the new members forum: =>=>=> http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/408507-quad-coil.html
Do scroll down to post 22: "Every thing I "know" about vaping I read or monkey see monkey do! I am a ...... when it comes to tools n stuff. " But thass ok - says he got past the ...... thing.
Seems to be a lot of monkey do chasing monkey see just because of these
Eh? Post #22 is not the OP. The OP is asking for direction and thankfully getting some, if it were some of the usual lot, he wouldn't be getting anything helpful other than "it's dangerous" ... which clearly he can watch dozens of youtube videos and find out it's not THAT dangerous.
You know you can dead-short good batteries and not actually end up in a dangerous situation right?
Okay. I'm concerned about one dim bulb on the Christmas tree having an accident that might be blasted all over the news as another example of how dangerous e-cigarettes are. If it wasn't a hot button issue, where my ability to purchase products could be restricted, I couldn't care less. Why do you care?
Here's one of the memorable threads. New vapor just received a new mech mod from a vape shop. The salesman sells him an RBA to go with it which the salesman set up himself with sub ohm coil, probably not giving the kid any instruction or precautions. The kid doesn't know the resistance of the coil, doesn't own a multimeter and isn't sure what one is for. He starts the thread complaining about his setup no longer working. Mod and battery are "really hot" and he collapses two hot springs in a row. Then asks, "Did I do something wrong?"
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...26176-mechanical-mod-rba-safety-question.html
These are the vapors that I have concern about. I was initially pretty hard on the guy for getting an RBA and not doing any research on them and not owning a multimeter to check coil resistance. I was even harder on the saleman for selling the kid an already setup sub ohm RBA. Selling an RBA to an uneducated kid who is going to go right home and use it is negligence.
My point is there are more and more innocent noobs buying an RBA and expecting it to be as easy as a simple clearomizer to use. No one has told them these are generally meant for more experienced vapors who know what they are doing and have educated themselves to do it safely. (Or if there were people cautioning them, they are ignoring them.)
They see the You Tube videos like the chap earlier in this thread blowing clouds and they want to do the same. What no one has told them or they ignore it, you have to know what you are doing, and you have to have the right combination of vape gear, to do it safely. Very few have done any research on their own.
This is my issue with sub ohm vaping. Don't attempt it if you don't know the basics about the right gear and don't have a basic concept of ohm's law and how it applies to safe use with batteries. You vapors who know what you are doing...be my guest. But please warn new users of the potential for destroying their devices and possibly injuring themselves if they use the wrong setup.
I was criticized for being so hard on the kid and not helping him. I agree, but there's too much to learn in just a single post on a message board. So I created a blog post that has links to many important information resources for basic battery and mod safety, a multimeter tutorial, and RBA video tutorials to help get someone like that started in the right direction:
"Advice and Tips for Vapors Looking to Try Their First RBA"
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-tips-vapors-looking-try-their-first-rba.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...26176-mechanical-mod-rba-safety-question.html
These are the vapors that I have concern about. I was initially pretty hard on the guy for getting an RBA and not doing any research on them and not owning a multimeter to check coil resistance. I was even harder on the saleman for selling the kid an already setup sub ohm RBA. Selling an RBA to an uneducated kid who is going to go right home and use it is negligence.
My point is there are more and more innocent noobs buying an RBA and expecting it to be as easy as a simple clearomizer to use. No one has told them these are generally meant for more experienced vapors who know what they are doing and have educated themselves to do it safely. (Or if there were people cautioning them, they are ignoring them.)
They see the You Tube videos like the chap earlier in this thread blowing clouds and they want to do the same. What no one has told them or they ignore it, you have to know what you are doing, and you have to have the right combination of vape gear, to do it safely. Very few have done any research on their own.
This is my issue with sub ohm vaping. Don't attempt it if you don't know the basics about the right gear and don't have a basic concept of ohm's law and how it applies to safe use with batteries. You vapors who know what you are doing...be my guest. But please warn new users of the potential for destroying their devices and possibly injuring themselves if they use the wrong setup.
I was criticized for being so hard on the kid and not helping him. I agree, but there's too much to learn in just a single post on a message board. So I created a blog post that has links to many important information resources for basic battery and mod safety, a multimeter tutorial, and RBA video tutorials to help get someone like that started in the right direction:
"Advice and Tips for Vapors Looking to Try Their First RBA"
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-tips-vapors-looking-try-their-first-rba.html
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"Battery may explode or fire if mistreated"
printed on every panasonic battery.
"Do not short positive, and negative contacts"
Cant find the post but when people state they made a coil and were shooting for .4 ohm's but "hey i dont really know I didnt even check it", but next time im going for .2ohms)
Sooner or later it's gonna happen LOL
printed on every panasonic battery.
posted everywhere i buy them -
"Do not short positive, and negative contacts"
Cant find the post but when people state they made a coil and were shooting for .4 ohm's but "hey i dont really know I didnt even check it", but next time im going for .2ohms)
Sooner or later it's gonna happen LOL
The thing is folks, a short is zero ohms. If the device has protection, it will probably catch it.
The mech thing...no protection without a fuse. And a fuse won't work with this sub-ohm stuff (that I know of at present). So you have to know what you are doing.
Hot mods, hot buttons, too hot vapor (particularly the 100% VG stuff) is an indication of a problem.
I'm vaping 30 ga kanthal A1 on an RBA at about 4.5 volts and a 2.0 ohm coil. Blowing clouds. This is on a regulated VV device (3 amp limit).
If you are heating stuff up other than a coil, or overheating a coil even, y'all are crazy.
EDIT: Some fuses may still work with some configs. Check amps and do the math.
The mech thing...no protection without a fuse. And a fuse won't work with this sub-ohm stuff (that I know of at present). So you have to know what you are doing.
Hot mods, hot buttons, too hot vapor (particularly the 100% VG stuff) is an indication of a problem.
I'm vaping 30 ga kanthal A1 on an RBA at about 4.5 volts and a 2.0 ohm coil. Blowing clouds. This is on a regulated VV device (3 amp limit).
If you are heating stuff up other than a coil, or overheating a coil even, y'all are crazy.
EDIT: Some fuses may still work with some configs. Check amps and do the math.
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The problem is not foolish people they have always been there and always will be. The problem is regulatory boards who decides whats best for you. Those are the people we need to confront not some kid tweaking his mod. That is just an excuse they will use to accomplish a hidden agenda.
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