Cloud chasing and sub ohm foolishness

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The Ocelot

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I'm still confused about the wrapping thing. How many ohms would this be?

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I like my sub ohms. I don't have a MM. I do have a VW mod to check the ohms but, I've gotten the process down where I kinds know the ohms. 0.8 ohms on the aga t2, and DiD clone..... 0.6 ohms on the A7. Using AW IMR, panny CGR, eFest, and the China Blue batteries.... nothing tastes nasty, burnt, and no melted springs. Mah face is still where I like it also.

I wouldn't try to get sub ohms on a single strand of 32ga. I twisted some 32 to see if I would like the sub ohms. I do. I've all but abandoned the VV/VW mods because I have things set where I like them. One less" feature" that can possibly fail. I don't have years of electronics" Knowledge" or books smarts. I know what works for me. Hasn't faltered me yet.

I will say tho, people that try to see just how many coils they can get to fit under the hood, at as low an ohm they can garner, is the same as someone trying to Squeeze 1100hp out of a 93 eclipse turbo. I don't look forward to trying it...... I look, give props and move on. I also don't want to try to squeeze every last hp out of my 2002 lancer. I'm fine with the stock output of 120hp to the crank. I don't look forward to any replies to mine that may trash what I've put here nor do I look for praise.

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I like my sub ohms. I don't have a MM. I do have a VW mod to check the ohms but, I've gotten the process down where I kinds know the ohms. 0.8 ohms on the aga t2, and DiD clone..... 0.6 ohms on the A7. Using AW IMR, panny CGR, eFest, and the China Blue batteries.... nothing tastes nasty, burnt, and no melted springs. Mah face is still where I like it also.

I wouldn't try to get sub ohms on a single strand of 32ga. I twisted some 32 to see if I would like the sub ohms. I do. I've all but abandoned the VV/VW mods because I have things set where I like them. One less" feature" that can possibly fail. I don't have years of electronics" Knowledge" or books smarts. I know what works for me. Hasn't faltered me yet.

I will say tho, people that try to see just how many coils they can get to fit under the hood, at as low an ohm they can garner, is the same as someone trying to Squeeze 1100hp out of a 93 eclipse turbo. I don't look forward to trying it...... I look, give props and move on. I also don't want to try to squeeze every last hp out of my 2002 lancer. I'm fine with the stock output of 120hp to the crank. I don't look forward to any replies to mine that may trash what I've put here nor do I look for praise.

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I have a 26 year relationship with electronics, actually longer if you count elective classes in high school.

What the HECK are you guys trying to do other than kill yourselves?

No reason that I know to go sub ohm for performance, look to ohms law, its all there.

If you use 2 wraps of 32 gage kanthal, guess what you get high current and burn the crap out of your wick and it will taste disgusting, or be short lived before tasting disgusting. This is not opinion, but easy to figure out.
So at 2 wraps you have minimal coil to wick contact, the coil is going to burn crazy hot, and ruin your wick, your battery, and worst case, your vented battery and ruin your mod.

How to do it better.

If you look to the devices on the market, 1.8-2.0 ohm is "low resistance" so go with that as safe.

If you are going single coil use lower resistance (smaller) kanthal to make more wraps on your coil. This should create more coil to wick contact and give more vapor. I am pretty sure that 1.5 to 2 amps is the sweet spot for vaping anything higher is just burnt taste no matter the volume of vapor.

If you are doing a dual coil setup, use higher resistance wire. A rule of thumb two identical resistances in parallel effectively half themselves. If you build two 3 ohm coils and put them in parallel they will effectively be 1.5 ohms. Two coils at 1.5 ohms should give you enough wick to coil contact to fill a room with vapor.

Just my 2 cents.

If you don't understand electricity, it will bite you.

Vape on my brothers and sisters!

I think the issue you express is with the battery discharge rate -- expressed in amps. If the resistance of the entire circuit is high enough to stay within the battery discharge rate parameters at battery voltage, no battery venting. Might burn the crap out of the juice and make the switch of the mech glow too, but the right battery can remain happy.

For room filling clouds, the relevant measure is wattage -- now much power we apply to the juice, and how much juice is available to absorb that energy. A crap wick and coil assembly can't handle 10 watts. A coil with large surface area immersed in a ml of juice can easily take over a thousand watts without burning or even producing much vapor at all (of course not powered by a battery). There's obviously a lot of in between. I'm not into ultra high wattage clouds, but for those who are, it's a matter of the right amount of juice in good contact with the heat of the coil. What's the limit? Well, what's the surface area over which you apply the energy and how much juice do you want to boil and vaporize? Lol.

I agree, however, that if a builder doesn't keep the limits of the battery in mind, a fire or explosion is in their future. I don't know if enough folks recognize that the internals of the battery include resistance, of course. When those low internal resistances become relevant (at very high discharge rates) they get hot, same as a coil would, for example. When a battery gets too hot it can go into thermal runaway and vent or explode. If it doesn't vent or explode, it will burn. These outcomes are all, in technical parlance, bad.
 

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I think you should do some more research before you toot that horn because you are not describing what anybody dose.

There is nothing wrong with Sub Ohm vaping if you get the batteries that will handle the amp load and a well built mechanical mod.

By not making an informed argument you have the opposite affect. So lets not tell people what they should and should not do but rather help them do it safely.

If you find it to be undesirable then you dont have to do it. My question for you is have you set up a Sub OHM jeny or atty with proper air flow and battery's and a mod capable of handling the current?

If you have not then how do you know if its bad?

By that form of logic Buzz, I would not realize being run over by a Mac truck was bad until I tried it first. There are some things that do not require 1st hand experimentation. You can watch things 2nd hand and make choices of your own.

I have spent many years working on electronics. US Army Signal School 1983 - 14 levels of BET - Common Precision Soldering 1-9, Field General ComSec Repairer. Depot level ComSec Repairer X9. A few years working for the Army at that, then as a DoD civilian doing that also. Then I transitioned into Computer hardware and later computer software.

Sub ohm can be dangerous. I don't need to try it to make that call. What I have found more interesting of late is the microcoil concept.

I hope that everyone vaping never experiences a problem that causes them physical harm. ONE bad press incident of ONE Injury with Vaping is going to bring the LIBERAL Press down on all of us SWARMING with bad press and screaming for government regulation.

My Local rag, the Press Telegram of Long Beach, ran an article recently that was very negative about Vaping on their front page. I was not pleased and showed my dissatisfaction by canceling my subscription.Growing e-cigarette trend raises safety concerns - Press-Telegram
 

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By that form of logic Buzz, I would not realize being run over by a Mac truck was bad until I tried it first. There are some things that do not require 1st hand experimentation. You can watch things 2nd hand and make choices of your own.

I have spent many years working on electronics. US Army Signal School 1983 - 14 levels of BET - Common Precision Soldering 1-9, Field General ComSec Repairer. Depot level ComSec Repairer X9. A few years working for the Army at that, then as a DoD civilian doing that also. Then I transitioned into Computer hardware and later computer software.

Sub ohm can be dangerous. I don't need to try it to make that call. What I have found more interesting of late is the microcoil concept.

I hope that everyone vaping never experiences a problem that causes them physical harm. ONE bad press incident of ONE Injury with Vaping is going to bring the LIBERAL Press down on all of us SWARMING with bad press and screaming for government regulation.

My Local rag, the Press Telegram of Long Beach, ran an article recently that was very negative about Vaping on their front page. I was not pleased and showed my dissatisfaction by canceling my subscription.Growing e-cigarette trend raises safety concerns - Press-Telegram

You sort of sound like the government regulators. Subohm can be dangerous, therefore, according to you, no one should do it? Plus, because if you do, the government might want to regulate it and you won't be able to do it?
 

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You sort of sound like the government regulators. Subohm can be dangerous, therefore, according to you, no one should do it? Plus, because if you do, the government might want to regulate it and you won't be able to do it?

I have had it with the over-regulation and the excessive red tape placed on the chicken skin industry. Sure, it's almost all fat, but it sure is tasty...

Free the chicken skins!! Stop the bloated bureaucracy stifling our cottage chicken skin industry!
 

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I have had it with the over-regulation and the excessive red tape placed on the chicken skin industry. Sure, it's almost all fat, but it sure is tasty...

Free the chicken skins!! Stop the bloated bureaucracy stifling our cottage chicken skin industry!

I take it this thread is dead? Lol
 
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