Cloudy ejuice new mixer

[Bigbryantn]

Thanks for taking the time to read this and possibly help me out.. I made a clone of my favorite adv and the mix came out cloudy. So today I made a small 15ml bottle in stages. I started with my nic from nude with 70/30 base. Shook and remained clear. All my flavors are from tfa and include graham (clear), ripe banana, caramel(original), vanilla custard, sweetener, peanut butter, vanilla swirl, and crunch berry... once flavors were added they were still clear on top and the second I turned the bottle over it instantly went cloudy. The batch I made yesterday has a small clear amount on top and cloudy underneath. Both batches were in warm water bath thinking it might help. If I can figure out how to upload images I will. The cloudy is throughout the entire mix and not clumpy

 

[jambi]

None of the flavorings you listed are known (by me) to be cloud-prone. Before troubleshooting anything I'd let your cloudy examples sit for 24 hours.

Just last week I mixed 500 mls of base the same way I always do, only this time the entire bottle was and remained cloudy for a day, as well as the several 30 ml bottles I mixed with it. Coincidentally, my base was also 70/30 3 mg Nude Nicotine (from a fresh, refrigerated 100 mg, VG based bottle).

I was a bit freaked too. I didn't shake it more than usual, or do anything different than I usually do, yet this particular bottle of base ended up extremely aerated, almost to the point of being frothy, with bubbles so tiny they gave the appearance of cloudiness throughout the bottle. I wisely let everything sit and by next morning the bottom of the bottles was already starting to clear. By that night it was back to "all systems normal". Each bottle had a ring of "froth" floating on the top (bubbles) that went away upon agitation.

Let it sit for 24, see how it looks.

 

[JCinFLA]

@Bigbryantn - If I remember correctly...doesn't the TFA Banana Ripe have ethyl alcohol in it? Maybe also 1 or 2 of those other flavorings? In my experience, flavorings that contain ethyl alcohol will do that in a mix when shaken. Bazillions of tiny bubbles make the mix "look" cloudy. I've also seen the froth ring around the top of the bottle (as jambi saw above) when I shake the mix frequently during the day and then leave it uncapped and dropper tip out to let the EA evaporate. When it's time to shake it again, the froth ring has formed by then. If I were on my regular laptop, I could look up in my spreadsheet of TFA flavorings...which ones above have EA in them for sure.

Reason I think it's the EA in some flavorings is because the "cloudiness and frothy ring" never happens when ALL flavorings in a mix I've made have no EA in them.

 

[JCinFLA]

@Bigbryantn - By the way, since this discussion deals with DIY eliquids, don't be surprised if a mod moves it to the DIY eliquid forum from here. Just wanted you to know in case you can't find your post later.

 

[Bigbryantn]

None of the flavorings you listed are known (by me) to be cloud-prone. Before troubleshooting anything I'd let your cloudy examples sit for 24 hours.

Just last week I mixed 500 mls of base the same way I always do, only this time the entire bottle was and remained cloudy for a day, as well as the several 30 ml bottles I mixed with it. Coincidentally, my base was also 70/30 3 mg Nude Nicotine (from a fresh, refrigerated 100 mg, VG based bottle).

I was a bit freaked too. I didn't shake it more than usual, or do anything different than I usually do, yet this particular bottle of base ended up extremely aerated, almost to the point of being frothy, with bubbles so tiny they gave the appearance of cloudiness throughout the bottle. I wisely let everything sit and by next morning the bottom of the bottles was already starting to clear. By that night it was back to "all systems normal". Each bottle had a ring of "froth" floating on the top (bubbles) that went away upon agitation.

Let it sit for 24, see how it looks.

24 hrs later and it's still cloudy. It was an instant reaction as soon as I turned the bottle upside down. Base was on bottom and flavors on top. I'm going to take the top of tonight and see if it helps it any.

 

[Bigbryantn]

@Bigbryantn - By the way, since this discussion deals with DIY eliquids, don't be surprised if a mod moves it to the DIY Eliquid forum from here. Just wanted you to know in case you can't find your post later.

Thanks and that would be fine with me... This is my second post and was unaware I was in the wrong area... thanks again!

 

[classwife]

...would have been nice if someone had reported this instead of hoping staff might stumble on it...


I stumbled on it and moved it to DIY E-Liquids

 

[IDJoel]

Here is a link to one of @Bill's Magic Vapor's blogs which addresses cloudy mixes: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...-ingredients-are-mixed-in.7361/#comment-13110
Eliminate Cloudiness in your mix by changing the order ingredients are mixed in | E-Cigarette Forum

This is/was a cut & paste job from another thread. Click on the "Click to expand" found at the bottom of the blue box to read the discussion.

 

[Rin13]

I agree with the other poster. It's probably Banana Ripe. Ethyl Alcohol can make mixtures look/act wonky. Let us know if leaving the cap off helps. Otherwise, maybe try mixing it without adding the Banana and see if it does the same thing.

 

[Alien Traveler]

When I made my whiskey juices (4% of pure alcohol in juice) there were no cloudiness. Of course I use very little flavorings. So, alcohol by itself make no clouds. Would not be surprised if overdose of alcohol soluble flavorings will over saturate PG/VG juice and precipitate.

 

[Bigbryantn]

Here is a link to one of @Bill's Magic Vapor's blogs which addresses cloudy mixes:
Eliminate Cloudiness in your mix by changing the order ingredients are mixed in | E-Cigarette Forum

This is/was a cut & paste job from another thread. Click on the "Click to expand" found at the bottom of the blue box to read the discussion.

I will mix a small 10ml in this order and see how it turns out. If it still clouds then I think I will make the base in and divide in 8 very small amounts and add one flavor to each to find the culprit!

 

[Bigbryantn]

I agree with the other poster. It's probably Banana Ripe. Ethyl Alcohol can make mixtures look/act wonky. Let us know if leaving the cap off helps. Otherwise, maybe try mixing it without adding the Banana and see if it does the same thing.

Cap off for 12 hours and it was the same. It's definetly a reaction and not bubbles which I thought might have been the issue at first..

 

[JCinFLA]

@Bigbryantn - My belief that your culprit is most probably the TFA Ripe Banana is stronger now. The Graham Clear, the Van. Custard, and the Ripe Banana are all 3 on lists of known tank cracker flavorings, which can also cause cloudiness if put first into a mix. However, I knew I'd seen specifics about Ripe Banana having EA, not mixing well, etc., and I found it. It was from TFA's website, and was posted on Wizard Lab's page for the TFA Ripe Banana. Here's what it says:

"Ripe Banana Flavor
Partially water soluble - this flavor is not as water soluble as our other flavors.
This banana is more like a true ripe banana than our Banana Cream.
Warning: This flavor can be hard on certain plastics and may not combine well with large percentages of Vegetable Glycerin"

Ingredients: Natural and Artificial Flavors, Ethyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, water

If you'll add the 3 flavorings above LAST to your mix...IMO, you won't have the cloudiness.

 

[Bigbryantn]

@Bigbryantn - My belief that your culprit is most probably the TFA Ripe Banana is stronger now. The Graham Clear, the Van. Custard, and the Ripe Banana are all 3 on lists of known tank cracker flavorings, which can also cause cloudiness if put first into a mix. However, I knew I'd seen specifics about Ripe Banana having EA, not mixing well, etc., and I found it. It was from TFA's website, and was posted on Wizard Lab's page for the TFA Ripe Banana. Here's what it says:

"Ripe Banana Flavor
Partially water soluble - this flavor is not as water soluble as our other flavors.
This banana is more like a true ripe banana than our Banana Cream.
Warning: This flavor can be hard on certain plastics and may not combine well with large percentages of Vegetable Glycerin"

Ingredients: Natural and Artificial Flavors, Ethyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, water

If you'll add the 3 flavorings above LAST to your mix...IMO, you won't have the cloudiness.

Sweet info!!! Thanks for that and I will try it tonight after work and see how it looks and post back!!

 

[JCinFLA]

Sweet info!!! Thanks for that and I will try it tonight after work and see how it looks and post back!!

Not only would I add your flavorings last to a small sample, but I'd make the Ripe Banana the absolute LAST one I added.

Also, if your 70/30 ratio is 70VG/30PG...that can be further causing the RB not to mix well, based on the info above from TFA about it.

 

[Bigbryantn]

There is definetly an issue with the banana ripe. I didn't post this yet but there was an issue right away. My latest flavor order came in and when I opened it I got a loud banana smell.. Turned out that the nipple tip was bent over under the cap and the new bottle was never sealed correctly even leaking... I'm not sure if this had anything to do with the issues I'm having but there are issues with it... This was the only cloudy mix (not bubbles) that I've made. Anyway so I decided to test and this is what I did.. I made up 10 ml of my base nic/vg/pg.. I ended up drawing a small amount into a pipette and added a drop or so of the flavors I used in that recipe and the banana ripe immediately clouded on contact with the base. I contacted ecig express and told them what I discovered with the bottle upon arrival and to their credit they immediately shipped out a new bottle apologizing for the bottling issue. Great customer service!

 

[JCinFLA]

Well, then you definitely know it's the ripe banana that's causing it. Bill's Magic Vapor did say that there were about 4 flavorings on the known "Tank Cracker" list, that no matter how you mix them...they'll cloud an eliquid being made. Seems to me like the Ripe Banana is just 1 of those 4. I don't think there's anything "wrong", as in bad, with the RB. Sounds to me like it's just like TFA says...it's only partially water soluable.

Also, is your 70/30 ratio...70VG and 30PG? If it is, that could be further causing it to not mix well, as TFA also says RB "may not combine well with large percentages of Vegetable Glycerin".

 

[Bigbryantn]

Just a follow up on this thread. . I've started mixing my pg, nic (pg), and all flavors before adding vg and the results have been flawless mixing. Easy tip for any beginners who might read this but really helps. The problem I had with the banana ripe was a combination of issues. The order I mixed my ingredients, the fact that tfa banana ripe is not as soluble as most other flavors, and the recipe called for way too much of the br... Thanks to all of you who answered back on this thread, it was alot of great helpful info. I'm back to mixing with great results!

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Does a cloudy mix ruin anything about the juice itself? I don't think I have run across a cloudy mix other than shaking.

 

[Bigbryantn]

Does a cloudy mix ruin anything about the juice itself? I don't think I have run across a cloudy mix other than shaking.

That's a good question that I don't know the best answer to. I will tell you that the extra banana ripe makes it WAY to strong and it completely overpowers the juice. (And I love banana flavor).. The juice looks really weird in a tank when it's so cloudy that you can't see the coil! Lol...