Coils wrapping and annealing

[rc3po]

Nice little vid. With the wire you used I could've made 2 coils the old fashioned way.
Also, wrapping the coils your way, if you have a bad spot in the wire, it will break after the coil is in the mod.
Annealing the wire before wrapping the coil, you'll know if there is a bad spot before wasting any more time.
I think I'll just stick to the old fashioned way - annealing the wire first thing.

 

[Bunnykiller]

annealing is primarily used to remove the tension in the wire and make it a bit more "softer" easier to shape. The dry burn is done to oxidize the wire ( which creates an insulative coating on the wire) to assist in keeping coil to coil contact from creating shorts between them...

 

[realsis]

Above post is correct.I torch all my micro coils while compressing them. Besides what above post states which is very true, the torching will also help form the coils and keep them compressed tightly. I wind my coil then I compress the coil carefully with tweezers. While the coil is compressed I torch the coil only for about 6 to 10 seconds no longer, then place the hot coil in water to cool and when I remove the coil from the water it is perfectly formed and compressed into a micro coil. I use water to cool the coil because it completes the tempering process and I find it to be stronger and less brittle if I'm finishing with water. You don't want to torch the leads only the coil. If the leads get torched they may become brittle and break off when wrapping to the posts.so be sure your torching the coil only. I use a butane torch to do my fireing. I only torch my micro coils. I don't find it necessary to torch the other types of coils. Hope this helps. Torching is a great way to help form a micro coil. I find it absolutely necessary for the micros. Best wishes

 

[CMD-Ky]

Read all of the posts and blogs of MacTecVper regarding coil building. I knew nothing, read his stuff and now I make coils that I think (I am also the only person reviewing) are great. They last, they taste great, they produce vapor - is there more that we ask? I don't know his background but I recognize the quality of his advice, my coils were a mess before I found his stuff.

 

[Flavored]

Nice little vid. With the wire you used I could've made 2 coils the old fashioned way.
Also, wrapping the coils your way, if you have a bad spot in the wire, it will break after the coil is in the mod.
Annealing the wire before wrapping the coil, you'll know if there is a bad spot before wasting any more time.
I think I'll just stick to the old fashioned way - annealing the wire first thing.

I have never had a bad spot in a coil/wire, not sure what that is. The coils from that tool come out perfectly tight (except for the initial 2 wraps that are pulled off as shown), no torching, no squeezing required, ever. I mount and fire the coils to get the oxidation layer formed, usually takes 2 or 3 fires and it glows from the center out just like it is supposed to. And the wrapping part, ready to mount and fire takes about a minute and a half.
I understand the hesitance, so I'll add this from the OP of the micro-coil thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/538365-coil-gizmo-artistic-wire.html#post12494184

 

[jaxgator]

Get one of these and put the torch/lighter away:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/510520-coils-made-easy.html

I have never had a bad spot in a coil/wire, not sure what that is. The coils from that tool come out perfectly tight (except for the initial 2 wraps that are pulled off as shown), no torching, no squeezing required, ever. I mount and fire the coils to get the oxidation layer formed, usually takes 2 or 3 fires and it glows from the center out just like it is supposed to. And the wrapping part, ready to mount and fire takes about a minute and a half.
I understand the hesitance, so I'll add this from the OP of the micro-coil thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/538365-coil-gizmo-artistic-wire.html#post12494184

That's what I use. I keep plenty of tension on the wire when winding and they come out pretty tight right off the gizmo.

Here is a recent build...

After a night of vaping a local B&M's Cappuccino...

 

[EvilBeast]

To O.P. The intial torching also help get rid of machining oils,ect which helps it not leave a weird taste , make it heat up evenly , and make easier to break in.I believe other than that they're is no other reason to torch it.I might be completly wrong this is just what I thought the torching process was for.

 

[rc3po]

I have never had a bad spot in a coil/wire, not sure what that is. The coils from that tool come out perfectly tight (except for the initial 2 wraps that are pulled off as shown), no torching, no squeezing required, ever. I mount and fire the coils to get the oxidation layer formed, usually takes 2 or 3 fires and it glows from the center out just like it is supposed to. And the wrapping part, ready to mount and fire takes about a minute and a half.
I understand the hesitance, so I'll add this from the OP of the micro-coil thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/538365-coil-gizmo-artistic-wire.html#post12494184

If you ever have a problem and look at your coil and see the wire broken, that's what it is. Sometimes impurities can get into the wire. I haven't seen it yet in the Kanthal wire.
But what works good for you is what you should do. And I'm all for having fun also. Wrapping coils, mixing juice, and vaping our butts off should be fun. Wrapping coils by hand is fun for me - and when they make robots that can wrap our coils and mix our juice and fire my mod for me, I'll still do it all myself.

 

[rc3po]

To O.P. The intial torching also help get rid of machining oils,ect which helps it not leave a weird taste , make it heat up evenly , and make easier to break in.I believe other than that they're is no other reason to torch it.I might be completly wrong this is just what I thought the torching process was for.

It also takes the springiness out of the wire. I use 30 gauge but some say that the thicker gauges, 28 or more, aren't as springy, I don't know.

 

[Flavored]

If you ever have a problem and look at your coil and see the wire broken, that's what it is. Sometimes impurities can get into the wire. I haven't seen it yet in the Kanthal wire.
But what works good for you is what you should do. And I'm all for having fun also. Wrapping coils, mixing juice, and vaping our butts off should be fun. Wrapping coils by hand is fun for me - and when they make robots that can wrap our coils and mix our juice and fire my mod for me, I'll still do it all myself.

Oh, I understand, I've gotten into tinkering in a different area, building mods . . . I could show you some solder joints that'd make you locate your household fire extinguisher, just in case. I toss the gizmo link at folks who are just beginning to coil for themselves in the event their hands and fingers are as skilled as mine . . .

 

[roosterado]

I got a pencil torch from Amazon It came filled and works great.KLTECH Mini Jet Pencil Flame Torch Butane Gas Fuel Welding Soldering Lighter (1 Pack) - - Amazon.com
I hope I have no issues refilling it cause I lost the package it came in with instrutions. How hard can it be-famous last words. This is what I bought to refill--Zippo Butane 3810 5.82 Oz

 

[imsoenthused]

It also takes the springiness out of the wire. I use 30 gauge but some say that the thicker gauges, 28 or more, aren't as springy, I don't know.

In my experience it's the opposite, I can wrap a 32 gauge coil and not need to compress and torch it afterwords, but 28 gauge slacks off and springs apart as soon as I release the tension on the wire.

 

[rc3po]

Oh, I understand, I've gotten into tinkering in a different area, building mods . . . I could show you some solder joints that'd make you locate your household fire extinguisher, just in case. I toss the gizmo link at folks who are just beginning to coil for themselves in the event their hands and fingers are as skilled as mine . . .

Yeah, I know what you mean. I've been learning electronics repair for over a year now. Building coils and soldering on small PCB's is nothing to me. I also have a Hot-Air rework station for SMD's. Here is my work table.


Here is a more recent pic with my new Fluke 87V/E2

 

[rc3po]

My new Fluke 87V wasn't in the old photo so I added a new one.

 

[matamgta]

i haven't torched my first coil, but i wick after wrapping it. i no matter how far each wrap is as soon as i dry burn it and its glowing red i let go of the fire button and squish them together with a jeweller plier (not ribbed version) and they oxidize evenly and vape like a charm