Ha! vaping! The only vice I have left! lol BTW, I'm haven't sworn off dairy yet, so I'm not a Vegan. I have been a vegetarian since I was 3 years old, though.
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Ha! vaping! The only vice I have left! lol BTW, I'm haven't sworn off dairy yet, so I'm not a Vegan. I have been a vegetarian since I was 3 years old, though.
First...there is no asbestos in ecigs. I saw a thread where someone thought a material in the atomizer was, however the material is an aramid.
Second...test have proven that ecig vaper is 1000x safer that analogs. All of the ingredients can be found in any flavoring liquid used in baking...see vanilla extract.
Third...Plastic and Aluminum are used in the construction..but these are not inhaled in anyway.
Fouth...Nicotine...take you pick here...you get it with both products. Most test show that it is equivalent to caffeine.
Everyone should make up their own mind about any product they use, however we know that analogs are very bad for our health...as for ecigs...they have helped a lot of people
Thank you for your post ... it is most helpful. I'm a 65-year-old woman with cataracts, so, even though I read a lot of the web, it's more of a challenge now and sometimes I can't even see the screen for awhile and have to take long breaks. I'm very encouraged by your post.
I've spent quite a bit of time searching PLoS and PubMed and reading papers. There are places I'm still unsure of in terms of relative safety but relative to e-cig manufacturing, cartomizer and atomizer builds, juices, flavorings, and colorings, it's quite clear that the documented relative risk to analogs is much lower given the current body of work. Using parallels in the manufacturing process of flavorings, art supplies, and baking, which have provided occupational exposures is levels far exceeding what the typical vaper gets, I'm also fairly confident long term exposure won't be statistically more risky than analogs. There is evidence of potential problems but again, it's all about risk tolerance and relative risk.
The technology around e-cig manufacturing is also changing rapidly and now you're seeing products w/o solder, without glue, with better compound, etc. While the fundamentals of an analog haven't and won't be changing.
This is all generally speaking and each person may have a variant concern that amplifies, say PG or VG, dangers for themselves. However, in generic terms is a hard case to build to say e-cigs are more dangerous than analogs. Good luck, -Magnus
EDIT: "Good luck" as in Good luck with your journey and health! Not in building a case against e-cigs. I meant that as well-wishing, not criticism of you. -Magnus
The technology around e-cig manufacturing is also changing rapidly and now you're seeing products w/o solder, without glue, with better compound, etc. While the fundamentals of an analog haven't and won't be changing.
This is all generally speaking and each person may have a variant concern that amplifies, say PG or VG, dangers for themselves. However, in generic terms is a hard case to build to say e-cigs are more dangerous than analogs. Good luck, -Magnus
EDIT: "Good luck" as in Good luck with your journey and health! Not in building a case against e-cigs. I meant that as well-wishing, not criticism of you. -Magnus
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I don't understand why some people feel they have to be insulting in their comments. It just amazes me. You don't know me, and you assume motives and intentions that are simply not there. I made a serious, heartfelt inquiry in this forum and was reminded why I don't usually participate in such things. Thank you everyone who has commented so nicely and alleviated my fears. I really appreciate the help.
After browsing and then joining and then posting on the Forum, it does amaze me how folks can jump in on a health concern post and basically poo poo it, always praising the virtues of the e-cig .. and it happens more often than not ..
This is a relatively new technology and no one can guage the effects of use at this point .. that's not going to stop me from continuing to be a user, however, I don't feel it's unusual to have a concern .. nor am I going to defend the tech to those that have a concern ..
Life is a series of priorities and choices .. after doing my research, I firmly believe the e-cig is less harmful than the analog .. the key word being "believe" .. I cannot completely and without a doubt say it is not harmful at some level and I don't think anyone else can either ...
And, as with smoking an analog, this is a voluntary activity .. not an essential part of life such as eating, etc ..
Unlike some of the younger members where cost is a major issue, at 65 you've probably been smoking many years, and I'm sure you've experienced some of the ramifications of long term smoking and what it does to your body. I'm extremely surprised that after vaping 2 months you haven't noticed any health benefits at all. I'm sure if you asked your doctor, even he'd agree that even if vaping isn't as healthy as quitting altogether, it's certainly healthier for you now than smoking.
PG, propylene glycol, is used in hospitals for inhalation therapies, even for lung transplant patients.
I can understand fears creeping in after vaping for a while. It's one of those "Is this too good to be true?" kind of questions. Is this too easy and too tasty? Can I really get the nicotine and also satisfy my hand-to-mouth-inhalation addiction without harming my health?
The answers, for me, are relative to cigarettes...harm reduction. Cigarettes are definitely terrible for my health, and despite knowing all the facts about smokey sticks, I still kept smoking those for 20 years!
I don't know for sure what's what about e-cigs, but it's difficult for me to believe that e-cigs are more harmful than cigarettes. That's what I concluded based on all the investigations and research others have done on the ingredients and such. But I'm no scientist. So, I can understand wanting some confirmation from others who may have been more diligent and may understand the research and implications better than I.
Right ... it's what I thought; however, after not smoking even one cigarette for two months, I, all of a sudden, showed anemic on my labs and hadn't been anemic since I was in my teens. It caused me to wonder??? Don't quote me on this, but I think I read somewhere that (think I saved the link but not sure where) not smoking can increase carbon dioxide in the blood for as long as a year?? That was about 2 months ago, and it caused me to wonder about other issues. I have been researching and researching but maybe I haven't done the right searches, and, as I mentioned, after a while, it's difficult for me to read and look at the screen for very long. BTW, I love all flavors of chocolate ... much better than cigarettes ever were!
Are you sure that the anemia is e-cig related?
As to the other concerns....... I understand your concerns. There's a lot of false information going around, and a million different juice vendors, and...and...and....
I DIY my e-juice. Gives me a better idea of what's in it. IDK about asbestos in e-cigs... 1st I've heard of it! Hope not! Anyway, I consider e-cigs a good harm reduction strategy, since I haven't been able to quit other ways.
IDK about the CO2, but the CO s/b waaaaaay down when you're not smoking. lol.
Good Luck!
As to the other concerns....... I understand your concerns. There's a lot of false information going around, and a million different juice vendors, and...and...and....
I DIY my e-juice. Gives me a better idea of what's in it. IDK about asbestos in e-cigs... 1st I've heard of it! Hope not! Anyway, I consider e-cigs a good harm reduction strategy, since I haven't been able to quit other ways.
IDK about the CO2, but the CO s/b waaaaaay down when you're not smoking. lol.
Good Luck!
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I have stopped waking up in the middle of the night coughing. I don't cough when I laugh anymore, either. I can sit through a movie without having a coughing fit. My family really notices that I don't cough first thing in the morning.
Just the last few days, I am trying to not inhale all of my draws. There are times when I am content to just draw into my mouth and blow it out. My decrease in coughing helps me believe the e-cig is much safer, but why do more with it than absolutely necessary?
Good luck and bettter health to all.
Just the last few days, I am trying to not inhale all of my draws. There are times when I am content to just draw into my mouth and blow it out. My decrease in coughing helps me believe the e-cig is much safer, but why do more with it than absolutely necessary?
Good luck and bettter health to all.
I would think that smoking would cause the increase in carbon dioxide in the blood. I say that because my energy level increased within 48 hours after totally quitting smoking.
As for anemia, I would say you have something else causing this. It's possible I suppose but you're the first person who has mentioned it.
Have you been to a doctor lately and had a full blown physical?
Did he tell you what kind of anemia you had? Smoking depletes vitamin C and iron.
Incidence of anemia increases when you get older. Sometimes it's nutritional, sometimes renal, sometimes it's just unexplained.
Prevalence of anemia in persons 65 years and older in the United States: evidence for a high rate of unexplained anemia
Incidence of anemia increases when you get older. Sometimes it's nutritional, sometimes renal, sometimes it's just unexplained.
Prevalence of anemia in persons 65 years and older in the United States: evidence for a high rate of unexplained anemia
My doctor ordered more blood tests and said she was worried about internal bleeding, but I haven't heard another word from her, so I'm assuming her fears were alleviated and all is okay. I was feeling terrible the day I had the first blood workup, and she ran me straight back to the lab for immediate further testing. If something had shown up on the 2nd test, I know I would have heard from her. I have refused certain medical treatments, so I have to stay healthy!! After that test, I did start taking black strap molasses daily. lol I didn't think there was a problem to begin with, but she seemed worried, and it scared me! I already take 5,000 mg of vitamin C daily plus some other supplements.
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I'm WITH you on the chocolate :0) Rockstar Vapor Chocolate for the WIN1
As far as the concerns go, well, I suspect what you are experierncing is a rather hardcore form of Detoxing. ESPECIALLY if you've been smoking as long as I think you have. If you came to me with your symptoms, that is what I would wonder. Are you Diabetic as well? Has your diet significantly changed? Any tramautic incidents latly? Move to a different location?
Anemia could be a sign of a different problem all together. How is your doctor reacting? What does your doctor SAY about your usage of e-cigs? What did your doctor say about your anemia (note: NEVER lie to your doctor, I don't care how bad or illegal it sounds, you do NOT want him/her/it(?) giving you advice based on NOT having ALL the information)?
OFTEN we hear the word addiction, we know socially what it means. BUT not many people know what it means PHYSICALLY!
So a bit of a generalistic, and VERY simplistic and somewhat long, lecture on addiction and the brain. I'll be dealing with narcotics as this is the best known form, however, you can swap nicotine (and the multitude of other chemicals) for narc (meaning narcotic, hereafter referred to as narc)
In the brain, we have receptors. As we "do" narcs, alcohol or other "chemicals" not meant for the body, receptors in our brains pick UP the particles. As we keep adding these narcs, more receptors in our brains GROW. Yep we get more of them. So we have more places to PARK the narcs. Imagine what the brain receptors look like after 20 or 40 years? You got it, LOTS of the little hummers.
When we QUIT, the brain sends out signals to our bodies (see DT"s in begining recovering addicts fro the HARDCORE reactions). That is where the "Jones" part comes in, the brain WANTS these narcs/chemicals for the receptors that have grown. And brains are insistant little buggers. It takes TIME for these receptors to DIE, yep folks they die back, much like a rose bush! This process can take a year or longer. A year is considered (or was 10 years ago when I studied addiction in physicalities) normal. SO, not surprising folks who quit smoking.....or who vape.....or who do narcs ............or alcohol, over long periods spend a LOT of time thinking bout it, and "jonesing". Literally when we "quit" our drug of choice, we toss our bodies, our chemistries, and our brains, right into a loop. A pretty bad one sometimes.
Even when we go to vaping, we have some form of detox going on. You guys don't think the OTHER 4k chemicals aren't affectinig our brains to do ya's? :0)
SO, in closing, your body is out of whack physically, you WILL get some physiological AND psychological alterations. If yer lucky, they ain't so bad, if your not, well they can toss ya to the wolves.
As a somewhat medical proffesional (Nurse), I say get your behind into the Dr' and ASK him/her/it, what the anemia could be from. Tell the Doc EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING and go from there.
Oh, and good luck! Cause I would have to MURDER someone if I had to give up MY chocolate vape!!
As far as the concerns go, well, I suspect what you are experierncing is a rather hardcore form of Detoxing. ESPECIALLY if you've been smoking as long as I think you have. If you came to me with your symptoms, that is what I would wonder. Are you Diabetic as well? Has your diet significantly changed? Any tramautic incidents latly? Move to a different location?
Anemia could be a sign of a different problem all together. How is your doctor reacting? What does your doctor SAY about your usage of e-cigs? What did your doctor say about your anemia (note: NEVER lie to your doctor, I don't care how bad or illegal it sounds, you do NOT want him/her/it(?) giving you advice based on NOT having ALL the information)?
OFTEN we hear the word addiction, we know socially what it means. BUT not many people know what it means PHYSICALLY!
So a bit of a generalistic, and VERY simplistic and somewhat long, lecture on addiction and the brain. I'll be dealing with narcotics as this is the best known form, however, you can swap nicotine (and the multitude of other chemicals) for narc (meaning narcotic, hereafter referred to as narc)
In the brain, we have receptors. As we "do" narcs, alcohol or other "chemicals" not meant for the body, receptors in our brains pick UP the particles. As we keep adding these narcs, more receptors in our brains GROW. Yep we get more of them. So we have more places to PARK the narcs. Imagine what the brain receptors look like after 20 or 40 years? You got it, LOTS of the little hummers.
When we QUIT, the brain sends out signals to our bodies (see DT"s in begining recovering addicts fro the HARDCORE reactions). That is where the "Jones" part comes in, the brain WANTS these narcs/chemicals for the receptors that have grown. And brains are insistant little buggers. It takes TIME for these receptors to DIE, yep folks they die back, much like a rose bush! This process can take a year or longer. A year is considered (or was 10 years ago when I studied addiction in physicalities) normal. SO, not surprising folks who quit smoking.....or who vape.....or who do narcs ............or alcohol, over long periods spend a LOT of time thinking bout it, and "jonesing". Literally when we "quit" our drug of choice, we toss our bodies, our chemistries, and our brains, right into a loop. A pretty bad one sometimes.
Even when we go to vaping, we have some form of detox going on. You guys don't think the OTHER 4k chemicals aren't affectinig our brains to do ya's? :0)
SO, in closing, your body is out of whack physically, you WILL get some physiological AND psychological alterations. If yer lucky, they ain't so bad, if your not, well they can toss ya to the wolves.
As a somewhat medical proffesional (Nurse), I say get your behind into the Dr' and ASK him/her/it, what the anemia could be from. Tell the Doc EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING and go from there.
Oh, and good luck! Cause I would have to MURDER someone if I had to give up MY chocolate vape!!
Very interesting! Thanks ... will read this as I'm able to today. My eyes are already giving out, so I'll have to take a break and get back to it. And my doctor gave me the stool hemoccult which was negative, so do colonoscopy was ordered.
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Hairball, you almost got it right but it's Carbon Monoxide in the blood, not Carbon Dioxide.
CO (carbon monoxide) binds to the hemoglobin (red blood cells) and prevents them from carrying a full load of oxygen. I believe that this is the primary reason when we switched to vaping that we miss the "rush" from cigarettes, rather than getting that same "rush" from the nicotine itself. If you think about it, you can get the same feeling just by holding your breath. It's pretty scary that we actually liked that feeling.
I can't read your whole post right now ... have to take a break to rest my eyes. I'm relatively healthy, not diabetic, no high cholesterol or blood pressure. I just have disabling back problems and had a lumpectomy last year and refused further treatment because I believe in supplements and healthy foods more than lots of medicines. Really ... smoking is my only bad habit. I started smoking and drinking coffee when I was 24. I wish had had held out longer (forever). i feel as though my body is full of inflammation and suffer from disabling pain. I'm still working on that one and still hope to be off the prescription meds one day. just got my inversion table out of the closet to start using again after it was put there 2 years ago when i moved. If they would just remove these darned cataracts, I'd be lots happier!! It's not only my eyes that are getting to me right now ... my back pain is bad and I have to go lie down. I'm in great shape otherwise! lol I'll read the rest of your post and the others later. Thanks in advance for your advice, though.
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