Confirmed reason to look for safe batteries...

[AndriaD]

More than welcome.

I've been meaning to put a blog together on how to handle any and every battery situation. I just haven't had the time at home with my pc and other gear I'd like to use to help illustrate.

Unfortunately the e-cig community hasn't scratched the surface of lithium battery understanding.

Fortunately for me I've delved deeply and picked the minds of those who know intimately for several years before coming here.

One reason I despise battery university. So much to misunderstand. Some that can be debunked in a few minutes with the right equipment and the slightest understanding.

But it's so foreign to most, nearly everyone takes each word as gospel.

It's dangerous...

Tapatyped

I've just tried to read anything that Baditude, and also JeremyR, have to say about batteries and safety; I've watched a few videos of purposefully vented batteries, so I more or less know what it would look like. What you said above, about if it's hot but not yet vented, that cooling it is the most important thing to be done, that makes sense, so I know it will stick.

But after doing that reading of Baditude and JeremyR, I just try to err on the side of caution -- FAAAARRRRRR better to be overly cautious, where any risk of fire is concerned.

Andria

 

[beckdg]

I've just tried to read anything that Baditude, and also JeremyR, have to say about batteries and safety; I've watched a few videos of purposefully vented batteries, so I more or less know what it would look like. What you said above, about if it's hot but not yet vented, that cooling it is the most important thing to be done, that makes sense, so I know it will stick.

But after doing that reading of Baditude and JeremyR, I just try to err on the side of caution -- FAAAARRRRRR better to be overly cautious, where any risk of fire is concerned.

Andria

Absolutely!

Number one thing in the event of a Lithium cell vent (well... don't burn yourself) is get it outside immediately and don't breathe it in.

It's sweet... but nasty toxic.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

No .55 watts. He was just having a little trouble typing. There is just a space between the . and the 55.

And, quite frankly, I could give a flying ..... if you believe it or not!



BTW, Tad Jensen is manager of the Electronitstix Murray UT store.

Thank you.

Do you know what battery he was using?

And whether it was authentic or not?

What condition it was in?

Details are important for safety IMO.

Not that any electronics can't have failures.

Tapatyped

 

[tj99959]

I don't disbelieve, either.
I have nothing that shows I should take either stance.

I would not expect you to take any other stance.

.55 watts? How? On a mech? I don't know of a regulated mod that would support that.

Edit:
My bad, (guess I need a nap)
.55 ohms ............. not watts.

But no, I don't have any more info (yet)
The guy is still hospitalized, and I don't expect any more info until after Tad gets the chance to talk to him.

add:
It looks like he was using a 4nine, in which case we are all well aware of what he did wrong. But, that still needs to be confirmed.

 

[beckdg]

Edit:
My bad, (guess I need a nap)
.55 ohms ............. not watts.

But no, I don't have any more info (yet)
The guy is still hospitalized, and I don't expect any more info until after Tad gets the chance to talk to him.

I suppose in voltage mode?
I've never tried high enough resistance at low enough voltage on anything.
Never would have thought to.

It's certainly not supporting .55W in wattage mode.

Tapatyped

EDIT
NOW THAT I SEE THE ABOVE EDIT

That makes sense.
A complete story, I think would be beneficial.
I'd like to see this get its own thread when you get more info.

If nothing else, it should be a reality check for some.

 

[Mooch]

I'd like to see this get its own thread when you get more info.

If nothing else, it should be a reality check for some.

There's some talk about it here...

Floating around facebook | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[beckdg]

There's some talk about it here...

Floating around facebook | E-Cigarette Forum

Much gooder, thanks.

Tapatyped

 

[smacuser]

Be glad to not be this guy

 

[Stinkytofus]

Never stand upright, always lay it down
Never put in pocket

I had one that continously fired for 15 mins.. Vtc4, didnt explode but was super duper hot...

Get a regulated, lol

 

[NealBJr]

And if water is running over it, and thence into the drain... something that really should NEVER go into public water sources has just entered it.

Andria

We have a Septic tank.

 

[Racehorse]

Please don't ever put a battery in this condition in fresh water.

Lithium will self ignite when exposed to fresh water, you could have made a relatively not to bad situation extremely worse.

The safest thing to do is take it outside and let it sit on the concrete or a brick or something.


You have no idea how lucky you really actually are this night, had the can cracked open it could have exploded in your face.

I am re-quoting because throwing it in the sink or bowl of water, while you are standing over it, eeks. Really scary stuff.

Important things:
1) know how to AVOID an emergency
equally important:
2) know what to do in an emergency

Once #1 happens, if you don't do #2 correctly, you end up with 2nd emergency

 

[AndriaD]

We have a Septic tank.

Well that's a good thing, I guess... though one of our requirements when we bought this house was that it had to be on county sewerage -- I never ever want to have to live in a house while the septic tank is being pumped. It does drive up the water bill, though; house we rented in N. Lawrenceville, up by Buford, had a septic tank, water bills were around $20-$30/mo... here, they're $55-$70/mo.

Andria

 

[beckdg]

I am re-quoting because throwing it in the sink or bowl of water, while you are standing over it, eeks. Really scary stuff.

Important things:
1) know how to AVOID an emergency
equally important:
2) know what to do in an emergency

Once #1 happens, if you don't do #2 correctly, you end up with 2nd emergency

Except the lithium isn't going to magically fall out of the solution it's bound to in the battery anode, rise to the top of the water and start dancing and spitting.

The battery is heavier than water. It will stay submerged.

You're quoting the person who stated putting the battery into salt water won't create current.

This has been proven false in many a back yard.

The same person that stated the sodium (chloride) in salt water will counteract the lithium but seems to refute the viability of straight sodium carbonate (baking soda) undiluted.

These claims of salt water lead back to a much bigger picture stemming from lipo disposal methods that were found to be inadequate, inconsistent and potentially dangerous.

Tapatyped

 

[NealBJr]

Well that's a good thing, I guess... though one of our requirements when we bought this house was that it had to be on county sewerage -- I never ever want to have to live in a house while the septic tank is being pumped. It does drive up the water bill, though; house we rented in N. Lawrenceville, up by Buford, had a septic tank, water bills were around $20-$30/mo... here, they're $55-$70/mo.

Andria

Well, We have children, so that always bumps up the water bill. I currently live in lawrenceville, but right on the Dacula/Lawrenceville side. Bills here are about $50/month. Septic tanks are nice IMO... just put some RIDX down every once in a while and I'm fine. You must've had an old septic tank, the one in our house has hookups in the house, But I'm so afraid that if/when we do have it pumped, the smell will go through the house. You would think they would put the hookups outside.