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Mystic Meep

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So I went to the park last night and a young man was explaining to me that vaping is very bad for you. He said there were cancer causing chemicals in the juice. Told me to read the Surgeon Generals Report, which I did, and that was just bad news all around about vaping. So needless to say I am very conflicted as to what to do. I have just started vaping and know nothing about it. I had heard it was safe to do from friends and google searches. I desperately need to quit smoking cigarettes and was so excited to discover vaping. My family is not supportive of my vaping as they believe it is harmful to me. I am 64 years old with COPD and they think I am a nut job. I also have a 6 year old grandson that I babysit every day. I would not want to harm him by vaping in front of him and the smoke do him any damage.
I am at a loss as to what to do. Any advice or information about this would be greatly appreciated. Everyone here has a lot more knowledge about vaping than I do. Thank you very much.
 

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Keep researching, especially UK reports. IMO most of US based crap reports are heavily tobacco and pharmaceutical $ influenced. Is vaping 100% safe? I doubt it. Is vaping as much as 95% less harmful than smoking tobacco? Many top researchers conclude that and I'll go with it not bought and paid for findings that aren't even based on real research. I know of not a single study that shows 2nd had vape is harmful.
 

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Well the Surgeon Generals Report does not include valid medical data. It's an awful lot of documents to review but this will help your conflict. Remember breathing anything into you lungs other than fresh air can be harmful. Well and fresh air while standing next to any road can be more harmful ;)

This one is large but the best information available:

A report by the Tobacco Advisory Group of the Royal College of Physicians
 

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Nothing is 100% safe. Vaping is SAFER than smoking cigarettes and that has been proven time and time again. The surgeon generals report is skewed and the results where extremely bias on how they performed the testing. Whomever the person was that there led you to believe that juices have cancer causing chemicals is grossly misinforming you.

When it comes down to it, vaping is the lesser of the two evils. The safest thing would to not do either of them. It’s your decision. Also, IMO you should not be doing either of these things (smoking or vaping) around you 6 year old grandchild. He/She is the only one that doesn’t have a choice when you subject them to being around it. You’re an adult and should have enough will power to not “have” to do it around them. You should research 3rd hand smoking, since you are so inclined to doing research. The effects of that are, once again IMO, way more detrimental that vaping. Keep in mind these are my opinions and you can take them with a grain of salt. I have been vaping for nearly 4 years and have never felt better, especially after having smoked cigarettes for 20+ years.

Best of luck in your decisions...just keep in mind you grandchild doesn’t have a choice, it’s up to you to do the intelligent thing around them. The mind is a powerful thing, use it wisely.
 

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As long as you source your juices from people who make it in safe conditions the right way there's very little medical risk. I've met a few doctors and nurses who've quit by vaping and recommend it to all their smoking patients.

That being said not everyone makes juice in a safe and proper fashion. If you're getting juice from a nice shop you're probably good, now if you buy it in a back alley from a guy wearing a trench coat and dark shades I'd probably not vape that ;)

The US studies and results have to be read very carefully as big tobacco and pharma are trying to end us.
 

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I get the same biased opinions when I vape at work, one colleague always tries to tell me that vaping has been proven to be just as harmful as cigarettes. Everyone is allowed to believe what they want in the end those who make a healthier change will seek the benefits. You should listen to those who actually vape, those who don't never take the time to actually do the research.
 

Mystic Meep

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Well the Surgeon Generals Report does not include valid medical data. It's an awful lot of documents to review but this will help your conflict. Remember breathing anything into you lungs other than fresh air can be harmful. Well and fresh air while standing next to any road can be more harmful ;)

This one is large but the best information available:

A report by the Tobacco Advisory Group of the Royal College of Physicians
Thank you so very much. I will read all that you sent and save it to show my family. Thanks again.
 

Mystic Meep

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I get the same biased opinions when I vape at work, one colleague always tries to tell me that vaping has been proven to be just as harmful as cigarettes. Everyone is allowed to believe what they want in the end those who make a healthier change will seek the benefits. You should listen to those who actually vape, those who don't never take the time to actually do the research.
Thank you. That is exactly what I am doing in this forum. Getting the best advice from those who know.
 

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As long as you source your juices from people who make it in safe conditions the right way there's very little medical risk. I've met a few doctors and nurses who've quit by vaping and recommend it to all their smoking patients.

That being said not everyone makes juice in a safe and proper fashion. If you're getting juice from a nice shop you're probably good, now if you buy it in a back alley from a guy wearing a trench coat and dark shades I'd probably not vape that ;)

The US studies and results have to be read very carefully as big tobacco and pharma are trying to end us.
I have bought juice twice from a Vape Shop. They were both very nice stores. It would probably be best if I learned to make my own juice. Thank you so much for your response.
 

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I have bought juice twice from a Vape Shop. They were both very nice stores. It would probably be best if I learned to make my own juice. Thank you so much for your response.
DIY juice can be a good idea, personally the shop that's closest to me sells some fantastic juice so I don't think it's worth the struggle for me. But my advice is what I'm here for, vaping saved my life and so I must do my civic duty and share what I know with others so we can all safely make ourselves healthier and happier.
 
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Mystic Meep

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Nothing is 100% safe. Vaping is SAFER than smoking cigarettes and that has been proven time and time again. The surgeon generals report is skewed and the results where extremely bias on how they performed the testing. Whomever the person was that there led you to believe that juices have cancer causing chemicals is grossly misinforming you.

When it comes down to it, vaping is the lesser of the two evils. The safest thing would to not do either of them. It’s your decision. Also, IMO you should not be doing either of these things (smoking or vaping) around you 6 year old grandchild. He/She is the only one that doesn’t have a choice when you subject them to being around it. You’re an adult and should have enough will power to not “have” to do it around them. You should research 3rd hand smoking, since you are so inclined to doing research. The effects of that are, once again IMO, way more detrimental that vaping. Keep in mind these are my opinions and you can take them with a grain of salt. I have been vaping for nearly 4 years and have never felt better, especially after having smoked cigarettes for 20+ years.

Best of luck in your decisions...just keep in mind you grandchild doesn’t have a choice, it’s up to you to do the intelligent thing around them. The mind is a powerful thing, use it wisely.
WOW you are absolutely right. I don't know what made me think that vaping smoke was not harmful to my grandson. I will most definitely not vape with him in the room. I fell like such a fool for not realizing that. Thank you so much for educating me about that.
 
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DIY juice can be a good idea, personally the shop that's closest to me sells some fantastic juice so I don't think it's worth the struggle for me. But my advice is what I'm here for, vaping saved my life and so I must do my civic duty and share what I know with others so we can all safely make ourselves healthier and happier.
I appreciate your advice more than you know. This is a very important decision for me. How do I know what constitutes a Fantastic Juice? What should I look for?
 
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Jamie, it's easy to be scared by one negative report. Until recently, it is my belief that the last regime wanted to ban vaping or tax it on the basis that it's as harmful as cigarettes. Often, vape equipment was tested under conditions of heat and actual burning of the coil (IMO on purpose) to generate those "OMG" reports. There were several coming out and in my opinion much of the research was political or driven by big tobacco. There are many scientists and doctors who have looked at this research and blogged about the findings, and how they were "skewed" to make vaping look bad, and I read some of those blogs when I showed up because I always remember that the most important thing about research is who pays for it, who solicits it, where it turns up (the Tobacco Control journal and site aren't going to be very pro vaping, for example) as well as methodology to see if outcomes are realistic. Seriously one study about off-gassing and harmful chemicals was done under mechanical conditions where they overheated the equipment so much that not a single vaper would vape under those conditions voluntarily (even if they could).

That said, it's good to look at both sides of the research and there are several threads about it here that you could do a search for.

The main thing though? I was headed toward COPD, some of my doctors are former smokers who vape themselves, they have noted health improvements and I have not had a cold, flu, pneumonia (end run of cigarettes I pretty much had pneumonia straight for 18 months, it sucked, in fact it is what got me to switch, I was like, "I am going to get COPD if I continue." ) Every one of my docs has noted health improvements with vaping, I have not had to use a single inhaler, I no longer have a wheeze, and I have more energy than I know what to do with!!!

IF COPD happens and you can't quit, vaping will probably work for you rather than cold turkey. I know several vapers with COPD who switched and noted health improvements and sometimes even slight regression of symptoms. I just spent a long time talking to a gentleman who had severe COPD and asking about e-cigs, I did refer him to his doctor, but I also explained vaping, and how it can be helpful, and he is interested, and is about to purchase his first setup after talking to his doc. (Most docs are cautious about recommendations, but every single one of my docs said, "Anna, the way you smoke and where you are now, I don't believe ANY harm reduction product could be worse than continued smoking.")

I do not believe there is harm in second hand vape, but I wouldn't vape it around a small child-- that's what outdoors is for. But, even if you vape indoors at home, the vapor really probably isn't going to linger around and harm your grandchild, it's just good modeling (that I myself was not able to do with cigarettes, I smoked in the car with my kid, but not in the house, it still sucked) not to vape in front of children, though others may feel differently about that.

Don't freak out. Science, the media, and politics have an interesting relationship these days. :)

Anna
 

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Sadly, the world is full of people too scared to recommend a safer product in the fear that it is not 100% safe.
In the UK, we have a growing voice of reason. It says "If you are unwilling or cannot quit smoking, vaping is by far the better option".
The Royal College of Physicians suggested it to be 95% safer than smoking and I trust them more than the tobacco lobby and/or politicians who believe in the 'quit of die' principle.
I've been vaping 4+ years and feel great, many times better than smoking.
The media in the UK has a lot to answer for. One day they print a story about how vaping makes so much sense and is relatively low risk. The next, they find a study from somewhere where some 2nd-rate scientists have abused equipment to create a certain negative result.
The trouble with the internet is that nothing ever goes away. So those tests that suggested vaping over 4 volts from 2014 was dangerous are still scaring people today.
What scares me is any vaper with any experience using the best modern technology can tell you vaping at higher power (watts, volts) can be far cleaner and free from the dreaded dry-puff conditions found whilst abusing early atomizers to create nasty chemicals. But the media don't want to listen to real people. They just want to sell papers and create sensationalist headlines. So - many people in the UK choose to still smoke, and they will die prematurely (as ever) without even considering vaping.

Vape on. Be safe. Decide based on Science and testimony.

PS - my doctor is 100% behind vaping. There are thousands of these now around the UK.
 

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A fantastic juice will contain nothing beyond VG, PG, flavoring, pharma grade nicotine, and maybe sweeteners. Water and alcohol and other additives are unnecessary fillers people do to cheapen the cost of juice production. What makes them fantastic is how they taste to you. My favorite juices have a pretty deep profile that use many different concentrates so I'd much rather let the food engineer at the shop make stuff up than my uneducated self.
 
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DIY juices can be quite a vortex, it is nice to know you're purchasing ingredients yourself and flavoring to your preference, you'll also have the security of knowing how YOU handle the various ingredients, but if your vape shop experience was good, I'd imagine that they're professional about juice making, though there are several online e-juice vendors with very good reputations for quality. I'd check out the e-juice forum and DIY forum (which is a subforum of the e-liquid one) to start to get a feel for flavors, what is in them, and what's involved in DIY (which I love, as it costs me pennies on the dollar).

Best of luck!

Anna
 

Mystic Meep

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Sadly, the world is full of people too scared to recommend a safer product in the fear that it is not 100% safe.
In the UK, we have a growing voice of reason. It says "If you are unwilling or cannot quit smoking, vaping is by far the better option".
The Royal College of Physicians suggested it to be 95% safer than smoking and I trust them more than the tobacco lobby and/or politicians who believe in the 'quit of die' principle.
I've been vaping 4+ years and feel great, many times better than smoking.
The media in the UK has a lot to answer for. One day they print a story about how vaping makes so much sense and is relatively low risk. The next, they find a study from somewhere where some 2nd-rate scientists have abused equipment to create a certain negative result.
The trouble with the internet is that nothing ever goes away. So those tests that suggested vaping over 4 volts from 2014 was dangerous are still scaring people today.
What scares me is any vaper with any experience using the best modern technology can tell you vaping at higher power (watts, volts) can be far cleaner and free from the dreaded dry-puff conditions found whilst abusing early atomizers to create nasty chemicals. But the media don't want to listen to real people. They just want to sell papers and create sensationalist headlines. So - many people in the UK choose to still smoke, and they will die prematurely (as ever) without even considering vaping.

Vape on. Be safe. Decide based on Science and testimony.

PS - my doctor is 100% behind vaping. There are thousands of these now around the UK.
I am going to check with my doctor next week when I go. But I am getting such excellent feedback from members in here that I am pretty confident that I will continue to vape. I cannot begin to tell you how much I appreciate everything you wrote to me. It truly helped me in my decision. Thank you so much.
 

Mystic Meep

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DIY juices can be quite a vortex, it is nice to know you're purchasing ingredients yourself and flavoring to your preference, you'll also have the security of knowing how YOU handle the various ingredients, but if your vape shop experience was good, I'd imagine that they're professional about juice making, though there are several online e-juice vendors with very good reputations for quality. I'd check out the e-juice forum and DIY forum (which is a subforum of the e-liquid one) to start to get a feel for flavors, what is in them, and what's involved in DIY (which I love, as it costs me pennies on the dollar).

Best of luck!

Anna
Thanks Anna. I have friend on here who makes her own juice. She also said that it is much cheaper. And then I will know exactly what is in my juice. Thanks again.
 
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