confused. which one to go for?

[PeppermintPatty]

You will have to use higher strength nicotine more frequently using a cig-alike compared to a larger device that has the power to deliver more vapor, therefore, more nicotine.

This study done by Dr. Farsalinos tells the tale comparing a cig-alike with a larger, more powerful device using 18 mg juice, Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarettes. Even puffing on a cig-alike for an hour doesn't produce as much nicotine as smoking a cigarette for five minutes.

If you absolutely insist on using a cig-alike the Joye e-Roll is probably the the best of that type. However, I would strongly encourage you to get a larger device as well if you are serious about quitting cigarettes. An Innokin VV 3.0 paired with a mini Kanger Pro Tank isn't terribly large and will allow you to adjust the warmth of your vape which affects taste and vapor production, both which can be important factors in finding a satisfying vape.

I looked forward to reading this with interest, but am I the only one that finds this part very "unscientific" for lack of a better word?

". At each visit the e-cigarettes were filled with identical 18 mg/ml nicotine concentration liquid and the participants were instructed to take 10 puffs during the first 5 minutes of "vaping" and then to puff as they felt like it for the next hour."

So....puff as they felt like it. One person may take 30 puffs in an hour and another take only an additional 5? They may know something about the initial nicotine rise in the bloodstream but not what happens over that hour period.

I do not think it is unreasonable to think that people will also vape different frequency with different devices, and this "study" did not account for that except for the first five minutes. In my mind, what would have made more sense was identical puff numbers in identical amounts of time from each device. Not just identical for the first five minutes. Why did they do this? It seems they missed out on an oppurtunity to gain more info.

 

[Kellin]

So that would be about what? Less than 3 months from start to reach break even point?

Pretty much, yep. Would have been sooner but we decided to upgrade our setups last week and move the generic eGos to backups. I was pretty much amazed by how fast we went into the black on the spreadsheet.

 

[peraspera]

I looked forward to reading this with interest, but am I the only one that finds this part very "unscientific" for lack of a better word?

". At each visit the e-cigarettes were filled with identical 18 mg/ml nicotine concentration liquid and the participants were instructed to take 10 puffs during the first 5 minutes of "vaping" and then to puff as they felt like it for the next hour."

So....puff as they felt like it. One person may take 30 puffs in an hour and another take only an additional 5? They may know something about the initial nicotine rise in the bloodstream but not what happens over that hour period.

I do not think it is unreasonable to think that people will also vape different frequency with different devices, and this "study" did not account for that except for the first five minutes. In my mind, what would have made more sense was identical puff numbers in identical amounts of time from each device. Not just identical for the first five minutes. Why did they do this? It seems they missed out on an oppurtunity to gain more info.

I would guess that the protocol was set to try to help account somewhat for realistic use of e-cigarettes which seems like a perfectly valid line of scientific inquiry to me. Also, vaping technique alone can make a big difference between people taking the same number of puffs so that method would not remove variability to any particularly meaningful degree. However, you would need to contact Dr. Farsalinos to get an accurate answer to your question.

They do know what happened to nicotine levels for both groups over the course of the 65 minutes because they measured it. From the study:
"Figure 2: Plasma nicotine levels at baseline and at 5, 20, 35, 50 and 65 minutes after using the first- and the new-generation device."
You can click through to Nature to see the Figure 2 graph.

 

[tmrr]

Why on earth would you recommend someone who HAS NOT EVEN TRIED TO QUIT YET and is still smoking go buy a Semovar with a Kayfun?

To use even an Ego, you have to know about juices, you have to know how to setup a basic carto system, and she doesn't even know if she will like it or whether it will work for her. To use a ciga-like type, she unscrews a prefilled cartridge, screws it into the battery and vapes. That's it. If she can tell it will work for her, THEN she can do the Ego or MVP.

As for all the insults, have any of you people even tried a Bloog? I'm a total vape hoarder, I DO have all the important mods and atomizers already. And even now, I can still appreciate using a Bloog. Go for the highest nic content Bloog!!!

Good job, you made me look! Took a quick tour of the website and will remember it for future reference. IMHO LOTS of people begin with these same thoughts and we want to offer options and advice to encourage them. Now back to my regularly scheduled programming...stalking vapemail for my REO which arrives today!